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Goku's prediction also requires him to analyze his opponent's movements which: 1. He doesn't have prior knowledge in what fighting style Sonic assumes in this key plus 2. He doesn't know about Excalibur's power to offer dura negging properties and type 4 immortality granted by a source of energy that passively keeps increasing as Sonic fights in.I don’t think his precog works like that, I’m pretty sure that it just tells him that something is gonna happen so he can dodge iirc, It doesn’t outright say what gokus exactly gonna do.
We are talking about a guy who can perfectly control his maneuver in a pseudo-flight mid-air, and Sonic is capable of dodging danmaku like a conventional day of running around, and react to attacks that are 4x faster than his own, as showcased by Infinite using a replica of Metal Sonic's V. Max overdrive attack.Also can you show Sonic doing an actual skilled maneuver too?
(Excalibur is said to have power to cut through any kind of material in it's vicinity, with said power, Sonic was able to completely bypass the Dark Queen's defenses in a single blow)
Am I dumb or isn't this a no limits fallacy? I don't see any durability negation properties it's just very strong sword go slash, unless I'm missing context.
Sonic was flat out able to bypass a ''nigh-invulnerable sight'' of the magic scabbard in a single blow once he used an umnamed light based attack, which is what the description implies.The ability of Excalibur being able to cut through any kind of material might be an NLF if it's taken in the literal meaning of the word. But, as of the circumstances, the Arthurian Legend portrayal would led the power of the sword of being capable of bypassing conventional durability following the context of the legend, as after Excalibur Sonic used the Meteor Charge, he was able to completely bypass Merlina's defenses and destroy the Dark Queen's form with a single attack during the aftermath, whereas he needed powerful hits to do heavy damage towards it before using the technique.
Unless Sonic opens with hax (besides his sword), I don't see him beating Goku so I'm confident in keeping my vote for himHis sword alone negs durability according to his profile and he starts with it so that’s technically hax
None of that is impressive by Dragon Ball standards. They could already do all of that by the saiyan/frieza saga.We are talking about a guy who can perfectly control his maneuver in a pseudo-flight mid-air, and Sonic is capable of dodging danmaku like a conventional day of running around, and react to attacks that are 4x faster than his own, as showcased by Infinite using a replica of Metal Sonic's V. Max overdrive attack.
Goku senses Sonic, he notices his physical strength itself is much lower than his own therefore he won't provide a fight, he proceeds to knock out chop/punch/kiai sonic.Goku's prediction also requires him to analyze his opponent's movements which: 1. He doesn't have prior knowledge in what fighting style Sonic assumes in this key plus 2. He doesn't know about Excalibur's power to offer dura negging properties and type 4 immortality granted by a source of energy that passively keeps increasing as Sonic fights in.
This is your average dragon ball z to super battleWe are talking about a guy who can perfectly control his maneuver in a pseudo-flight mid-air, and Sonic is capable of dodging danmaku like a conventional day of running around, and react to attacks that are 4x faster than his own, as showcased by Infinite using a replica of Metal Sonic's V. Max overdrive attack.
This makes sense. Goku actually does this in character just like he did vs Chappa.
Goku doesn't manipulate momentum or vectors aside of the usage of his ki to fly out. React to an attack that's 4x times faster is a stated multiplier and Sonic already has this level of perception in base.None of that is impressive by Dragon Ball standards. They could already do all of that by the saiyan/frieza saga.
Fancy words honestly means nothing. He can perfectly control his movement mid-air with ki. It's the same skill, if with a different power.Goku doesn't manipulate momentum or vectors aside of the usage of his ki to fly out. React to an attack that's 4x times faster is a stated multiplier and Sonic already has this level of perception in base.
Ok?Goku doesn't manipulate momentum or vectors aside of the usage of his ki to fly out. React to an attack that's 4x times faster is a stated multiplier and Sonic already has this level of perception in base.
It still denotes a highly mobile technique that Sonic is able to do that. It is impressive against the average verse, it's just that Dragon Ball already do this. And I would argue it's even more impressive, since they can control their movement so well so as to lower people being able to see them (look at any tournament; and this done very early in Dragon Ball as well).Goku can use his own skill can do what Sonic needs abilities to do is essentially what your telling me with that first sentence.
Yeah I agree, I'll admit I was being a bit snarky with that comment lol.It still denotes a highly mobile technique that Sonic is able to do that. It is impressive against the average verse, it's just that Dragon Ball already do this. And I would argue it's even more impressive, since they can control their movement so well so as to lower people being able to see them (look at any tournament; and this done very early in Dragon Ball as well).
Goku doesn't care about being fashionedGuys, what's stopping Goku from dying his hair and winning?
Keep it as civil as possible. You should know how both of these verses (specially these two in particular ovo) can attractYeah I agree, I'll admit I was being a bit snarky with that comment lol.
I doubt Goku would ssj blitz someone who is massively weaker than him and he is less skilled than him making him counter the equal speed.Not for strength but for speed, Goku would blitz if he transforms, if his opponent is dangerous then he'll transform if they're as fast as each other, or I guess he'd just skip that and punch the man.
Sonic doesn't have an killing intent all of the time, he spares foes in some occasions or generally tries to incapacitate them (Excalibur in instance was fighting to convince Merlina that immortality for the world is not a good plan and it would be a lame choice of her own to do that).Actually, something really relevant. What's Sonic's mentality here? Will he go for the kill all the time? Would he harbor some kind of evil intent? Or would he merely be defensive? That can change Goku's entire mentality.
This is the most relevant part for me:Sonic doesn't have an killing intent all of the time, he spares foes in some occasions or generally tries to incapacitate them (Excalibur in instance was fighting to convince Merlina that immortality for the world is not a good plan and it would be a lame choice of her own to do that).
He isn't that much of a naturally bloodlusted guy like you could think of, Majin Buu, for instance.
Ugh, all of Goku's arguments have already been debunked, it's not like it's nonsense.ah the fra train has come, welp time to leave as nothing more of substance will come
The problem is trying to equate Sonic being a combat prodigy and saying it's on the same level as Goku and how he is a combat prodigy, Goku has tons of feats showing his combat genius that trumps Sonic, a few have been posted now and you can feel free to ask instead of just assuming they are on the same level.Goku doesn't go Super Saiyan against someone who is like 100x times weaker than he is, which in-character also leads him to hold back against enemies not knowing an suspicious aspect of abilities that they have through the setting. (in this case Excalibur's power to bypass dura given no prior knowledge), I honestly don't see how Sonic wouldn't be able to react to any of Goku's attacks when he faced skilled maneuvers in his past and is a gifted combat prodigy through his entire carrier.
I really don't want to argue why Goku would outskill Sonic lol, if you wish then post Sonic's best skill feats and we will stack them up against Goku's because Goku's analytical prediction will see Sonic side stepping and provide an appropriate counter.Sonic isn't that far away in combat feats from what Goku has and it isn't a ''hardly assumption'' that he would try to sidestep away.
Goku would like just go for knock out since Sonic is just a random opponent to him then.Sonic doesn't have an killing intent all of the time, he spares foes in some occasions or generally tries to incapacitate them (Excalibur in instance was fighting to convince Merlina that immortality for the world is not a good plan and it would be a lame choice of her own to do that).
He isn't that much of a naturally bloodlusted guy like you could think of, Majin Buu, for instance.
Opinions are amazing, aren't they?Ugh, all of Goku's arguments have already been debunked, it's not like it's nonsense.
Lol how? What is the argument for Sonic winning since Goku has a very good skill advantage and will go for knock out first in characterUgh, all of Goku's arguments have already been debunked, it's not like it's nonsense.
Already explained. It was because he knew Trunks wasn't going for the kill, that it was merely a test.From what I’ve seen from Goku’s encounters with Trunks doesn’t he try to block swords?
Goku knew Trunks wasn't attempting to truly harm him.From what I’ve seen from Goku’s encounters with Trunks doesn’t he try to block swords?
Same thing here. Someone much weaker than he is not going to kill, so the argument is valid.Already explained. It was because he knew Trunks wasn't going for the kill, that it was merely a test.
It really isn't. Buu was weaker (although comparable, to be fair), he immediately went straight for the kill but couldn't because of the limits of Ssj3.Same thing here. Someone much weaker than he is not going to kill, so the argument is valid.