Thanks AP Upgrades (Anne Mayer vs EMIYA) (0/2/0)

[First_Witch]

Right so, what can tracing do

 

[Schnee_One]

He sees a weapon and he copies the weapon and all it's expirience on it.

Not a perfect copy however.

 

[First_Witch]

He sees a weapon and he copies the weapon and all it's expirience on it.
Not a perfect copy however.

Does that work on non earthly weapon? Wasnt there some kind of limitation?

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Afaik, the tracing is limited by Divine Weapons. Not sure about non earthly stuff.

 

[First_Witch]

The problem is that AB Swords were crafted when humanity moved to the other side of the universe, with AB material that didnt exist on earth either.

 

[Schnee_One]

This is Nasuverse, 99% sure that Non Earthly isn't going to be a problem.

The limitation was that Archer can't make a perfect copy. He's a faker as Shirou describes.

Also the stronger the weapon the weaker it makes him but Anne is weaker then a standard NP so he should be fine.

 

[Schnee_One]

Afaik, the tracing is limited by Divine Weapons. Not sure about non earthly stuff.

They're not, it's just divine weapons are so strong that they usually wear him down

He can portray Excalibur Morgan, hell Shirou does that in HF.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Fair point.

Plus, tracing analysis the structure of a weapon, so Archer would know what the material is after he does so.

 

[Schnee_One]

Also SBA distance is a massive pain for Anne.

 

[First_Witch]

This is Nasuverse, 99% sure that Non Earthly isn't going to be a problem.
The limitation was that Archer can't make a perfect copy. He's a faker as Shirou describes.

Also the stronger the weapon the weaker it makes him but Anne is weaker then a standard NP so he should be fine.

I mean, nearly all servants are from earth iirc and i did read somewhere that EMIYA had a limitation like that

But alright, assuming he can. How did he fare with it against Artoria?

 

[Schnee_One]

Servants yes, Divine Constructs not so much

 

[First_Witch]

Also SBA distance is a massive pain for Anne.

Should i cut the range down to a kilometer then?

 

[Schnee_One]

That's your choice, why?

 

[First_Witch]

But alright regardless.

EMIYA can range spam but Anne can counter the weapons with Wave attacks. And 4 Kilometers arent that far either, so Anne can close the gap in a while.

The Tracing thing is bad for Anne, but she still would edge out in a sword fight thanks to her DC coat and her Melody reading, even if he copied her stats 1 to 1. Not only that but Anne fought against Pray, who is Anne but casually more skilled than her, meaning that Anne has enough experience fighting against opponents far better than her.

UBW woudnt be much of a problem for Anne either, as she has Human Age here. Human Age is basically UBW with little bit less range but it has the advantage of spamming far more weapons at once. Anne could conjure tenthousand Soul Arrows at once for example

 

[First_Witch]

That's your choice, why?

Because i dont want to be cheap

 

[Schnee_One]

But it's in Archers favor, your not being cheap by keeping it that way.

It would be cheap to shorten the distance so Anne has a better chance.

 

[First_Witch]

Encouraging.

So i think 1 kilometer is good enough for EMIYA

1 Kilometer is is now, officially

 

[Schnee_One]

Okay but why tho, you even said 4KM wasn't much,

 

[First_Witch]

Hm, i think there might have been a miscommunication between us.

4 Kilometer it is again

 

[Schnee_One]

But it's in Archers favor, your not being cheap by keeping it that way.

It would be cheap to shorten the distance so Anne has a better chance.

Was there something I misspoke?

 

[First_Witch]

Something i misunderstood.

English is a hard language

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Anne could conjure tenthousand Soul Arrows at once for example

Actually, in other series, like Kaleid, Shirou has shown to be able to throw similar amounts. Archer scales.

Plus, UBW can counter GoB, which in the VN was said to be able to create 10 thousand portals at once.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Just wanna point out that 1km is actually a pretty big deal for Archer seeing as he could snipe Herc out of the air from the other side of the city before Herc cleared 20m in UBW and did the same to Saber anytime she tried to take a step forward from 4km in H/A.

What is Human Age exactly? All I am getting is that it is a lot of weapon spam.

 

[First_Witch]

So much for that then. Just a advantage less

 

[First_Witch]

Just wanna point out that 1km is actually a pretty big deal for Archer seeing as he could snipe Herc out of the air from the other side of the city before Herc cleared 20m in UBW and did the same to Saber anytime she tried to take a step forward from 4km in H/A.
What is Human Age exactly? All I am getting is that it is a lot of weapon spam.

Discount UBW.

Basically Anne waves the Key Sword around and summons Human Age, now a pretty big aera can spawn AB swords out of thin air

 

[Managements]

How does Anne's power null work? Would it be able to cancel out things like the effects of a activated noble phantasm?

 

[First_Witch]

It only nulls direct manipulation of stuff. Noble Phantasms are too complex for now

 

[Managements]

Then EMIYA might be able to catch her off guard with hax like gae bolg if she gets close, since she doesn't have as much experience in dealing with the large amounts of conceptual hax that the nasuverse has.

 

[First_Witch]

She dosnt have any experience with that yes.

But

Im pretty sure that EMIYA dosnt have Gae Bolg. And if he had, he woudnt be able to use neither of its abilities.

 

[Schnee_One]

He does, he has the regen negation as well, just not the homing.

 

[First_Witch]

My god, what happend to his sword only rule... Well, regen negation will be darn useless against Anne

 

[AnonymousBlank]

There was never really a sword only rule. UBW is simply best at recreating bladed weapons, the most common of which are swords. More complicated things like guns aren't available but things like spears, arrows, axes, shields, armor etc are still on the table (the latter two taking more energy to create).

 

[Managements]

But he is capable of using Gae Bolg's abilities, in fact, that's exactly what he does for his np in Fate/Extella.

And I'm not talking about just Gae Bolg, Nasu stated that by the time of the 5th grail war EMIYA already has thousands of nps stored in UBW, a higher number than all of the nps we've seen so far, many of which could probably have hax effects on the level of Gae Bolg (which is only a c rank average noble phantasm, nothing that special) that could potentially catch Anne off guard. Meanwhile Anne's abilities are nothing that EMIYA hasn't seen before in his who knows how long time of fighting as a counter guardian.

 

[Schnee_One]

^Wrong Archer

 

[Managements]

^Wrong Archer

But besides getting a boost in strength and luck due to becoming a representative of nameless heroes, his projection doesn't change at all (with the exception of the far side of the moon cell having higher quality materials or something that allows him to create divine constructs like excalibur, which gae bolg isn't so he should be able to project it)

 

[Schnee_One]

Except No name is explicitly stated to have vastly better projection, heck this Archer can casually create and use Excalibur while Emiya dies if he uses it.

His projection is much better then Emiya's.

 

[Managements]

Except No name is explicitly stated to have vastly better projection, heck this Archer can casually create and use Excalibur while Emiya dies if he uses it.
His projection is much better then Emiya's.

Read my post again bro, No Name is only able to project excalibur image because of the location giving him access to materials that can create divine constructs, if EMIYA was in the moon cell, he would be able to do the same thing (both of their magecraft is ranked C-). Here's the word-for-word quote:

"In EXTRA, the conditions for where wrought iron is possible are boosted so projection of holy-sword class weaponry is possible, though their performance is inferior."

But besides No Name having the materials to create excalibur image, the moon cell doesn't affect his projection in any other way.

 

[Schnee_One]

You just proved my point by saying that tho.

 

[Managements]

You just proved my point by saying that tho.

But my point was that if No Name was capable of projecting and using Gae Bolg as a np in EXTELLA than EMIYA should be capable of doing the same thing, since the only way that the moon cell boosts No Name's projection is by making it possible to create divine constructs, and as a result shouldn't affect the quality of the projection of Gae Bolg or similar noble phantasms as they aren't divine constructs.

 

[First_Witch]

Bump