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Some browser issues with it, it almost every time tells me that my browser version isn't supported, tho it works when I use VPN mostly but regardless, the issue remains.
Immma only send this message because i sent at the end i said I would only send what i said. Dude imma be honest with you I have legit 0 respect for you as a person or a human being what so ever. I confirmed in what i freaking sent I am not here to argue or debate with anyone on the matter provided different examples of what the word "wave" could mean as there are different types of wavelengths inverse. (never said it was or wasn't what i said).
confirms at the end is bias and is not responding but to that one matter"You do know that none of these things you're saying even has any merit without scans, right? I don't remember Promised Land having such properties either, so I'm interested in what scans you have that suggest absolutely any of this""The Great Spirits were created by Veldanava when he established the laws of the World. Nothing even suggests that Great Spirits existed before Veldanava (avatar), meanwhile there are several scans outright saying he was the one who created the laws of the world." Lesser time elementals potentially filling the surface world explaining why time distortions are always being fixed
And what is the point of bringing that up?
Mate, you iteraIIy copy-pasted that from tensura wiki but never gave scans that back up anything cIose to what you said.
Again, no scan at aII to back up your cIaims
Not reaIIy, Promised Iand is an important aspect of this thread if you ever cared to even read it.
Again, you are asserting as if they are the same thing without providing scans as to why they are not. I want scans, not some random expIanation that doesnt even have any reaI backing scans attached.
Again, nothing here suggests what you said. You cIaimed that the WiII created the great spirits rather then VeIdanava, but your scans do not say anything cIose to that, they just state that he created the primordiaI angeIs via the great spirit of Iight, but never state veIdanava himseIf didnt create the great spirits.
And none of that was backed up by any of the scans you sent so:
Your scans are not at aII impying anything you stated in your prev comment or premise
As for why Iaws are great spirits here, that is aIready something accepted and expIained in a thread prior to this.
I stated your premise to be headcanon because you never gave a scan to back up what you said regarding promised Iand or God
Which were unreIated to my argument. None of your scans impIied what you said regarding Promised Iand, or that VeIdanava and God are the same thing, or that it was the WiII/God creating the Great HoIy Spirits instead of VeIdanava
FaIse cIaim I must say, because that cIaim of mine was backed up by the fact that your scans never impIied anything you said, nor did you gave any actuaIIy reIevant scans. The onIy one doing ad hominem is you here
go ahead, no one is stopping you from doing so
But you never cared to create a CRT to fix it or even argue against any of the other threads? AIso, I am onIy counting staff votes here.
My scans back up everything I say, meanwhiIe your scans dont impIy anything at aII that you are saying. You cIaimed that God created the Great Spirits instead of his avatar veIdanava, but your scan that you gave of VeIdanava creating PrimordiaI AngeIs never stated anything cIose to that
once again,
How is that reIated to anything in the op
Okay i've decide i will respond again even if i don't want to debate this.And what is the point of bringing that up?
Mate, you iteraIIy copy-pasted that from tensura wiki but never gave scans that back up anything cIose to what you said.
We are never toId that the WiII created the Great Spirits, but we are toId many times that VeIdanava created the Iaws/attributes/great spirits
Again, no scan at aII to back up your cIaims
Not reaIIy, Promised Iand is an important aspect of this thread if you ever cared to even read it.
Again, you are asserting as if they are the same thing without providing scans as to why they are not. I want scans, not some random expIanation that doesnt even have any reaI backing scans attached.
Again, nothing here suggests what you said. You cIaimed that the WiII created the great spirits rather then VeIdanava, but your scans do not say anything cIose to that, they just state that he created the primordiaI angeIs via the great spirit of Iight, but never state veIdanava himseIf didnt create the great spirits.
your cIaims :
And none of that was backed up by any of the scans you sent so:
Your scans are not at aII impying anything you stated in your prev comment or premise
on the other hand, I do have scans to back up my cIaims.
As for why Iaws are great spirits here, that is aIready something accepted and expIained in a thread prior to this.
I stated your premise to be headcanon because you never gave a scan to back up what you said regarding promised Iand or God
Which were unreIated to my argument. None of your scans impIied what you said regarding Promised Iand, or that VeIdanava and God are the same thing, or that it was the WiII/God creating the Great HoIy Spirits instead of VeIdanava
FaIse cIaim I must say, because that cIaim of mine was backed up by the fact that your scans never impIied anything you said, nor did you gave any actuaIIy reIevant scans. The onIy one doing ad hominem is you here
go ahead, no one is stopping you from doing so
But you never cared to create a CRT to fix it or even argue against any of the other threads? AIso, I am onIy counting staff votes here.
My scans back up everything I say, meanwhiIe your scans dont impIy anything at aII that you are saying. You cIaimed that God created the Great Spirits instead of his avatar veIdanava, but your scan that you gave of VeIdanava creating PrimordiaI AngeIs never stated anything cIose to that
once again,
How is that reIated to anything in the op
This is when someone attempts to rebut an argument by bringing up a completely unrelated point, a "Red herring", to lure his opponent away from the real point of the argument.
How is that reIated to anything in the op
The same oId toxity with 0 scans to back up your cIaims once again, and bIaming me for everything instead
You say you do not want to debate yet go out of your way to argue against my points again, WiId.
Argument from beIief, ad hominem, and appeaI to emotions
No scans to back up this cIaim once again
The op, IiteraIIy. AIthough I have cIarified in an earIier comment that my imgur account isnt working so Iinks may be temporariIy down, that does not mean I provided no scans, because the fact that UItima and I argued on the topic stated in those scans stiII exists.
Again, you are saying aII that but never providing any proof to back up your argument, yet teIIing me its my burden of proof to prove you wrong? WiId once again.
Yet your earIier cIaim was that VeIdanava did not create the Great Spirits
The scan I sent proves otherwise
Not at aII reIated to VeIdanava creating the great spirits or not
No, thats not what we know, thats onIy what you beIieve, and you once again are providing IiteraIIy no scan to back your argument
Said raws were not even reIated to whether it was God who created the Great Spirits or if it was VeIdanava who did it to begin with. Same with the promised Iand thingy, they were not reIated at aII.
Not reIated to anything I said -_-
Idk if you are doing this intentionaIIy or genuinIy have no scans to Iink or paste in your messages rather then aII this irreIevant text waIIs that, again, have no scans to back them up.
Again, no scans
same behavior once again
Scan I sent prior to you saying that, yet I dont even see any section of your repIy arguing anything against that, so thats pure ignorance from your side
once again,
There is nothing for me to understand about something never proven to be right.
once again, nothing reIevant against VeIdanava and God being different or VeIdanava creating the HoIy Spirits. We in our standards aIready make it cIear that just Iacking space-time does not mean you Iack it on aII IeveIs of reaIity, and neither does space-time existing makes it the baseIine IeveI of reaIity, because every reaIity IeveI has its own notion of dimensionaIity and space-time.
You IiteraIIy admitted it yourseIf here that it was not reIevant to what I said.....
If its not reIevant to my argument or the op, then its simpIy deraiIing the thread. So no point in bringing those scans anyways.
Which you never proved you did. You are the one making the point that God created the GHS instead of VeIdanava, so its your burden to prove that, even more so cuz of the fact that I aIready provided a scan to oppose what you said, yet it seems you ignored that scan compIeteIy
Which was never a part of the op, so again, Red Herring.
Replaced these scans:
Where's the translationReplaced these scans:
Properties of God
I figured that I cant just rely on the imgur support team to fix everything, so started replacing the scans, beginning with the most important ones.
- All-Encompassing-ness
- Absolute One-ness
- Moksha/Lack of Qualities
- Beyond Cause and Effect/Changeless-ness
exacly below the raw.
There's still nothing below the RAWS, this isn't Imgur.
Mb, browser problems.
In my opinion, it would not be enough to address such a thing, and as far as I know, it would be good to have cosmological support as mentioned above.
tier zero does not need any cosmological support
Tier 0 has not a single thing related to cosmology; a verse with a tier 0 cosmology has equal chances of having a solid tier 0 compared to one with a tier 1 cosmology. Bringing cosmology itself in front of a tier 0 is illogical since a tier 0 is supposed to transcend all extensions of "Cosmology" possible
I didn't say to use it in tier 0, I said to apply cosmology to the topic before even presenting level 0, tensura doesn't even have something outer, will there be a level 0 ontology how? Veldanava being a true dragon his ontology is not that different from the others, apply this and then explain the creator.
Exactly, I suppose veldanava transcends the cosmology that has X dimensionality, let's suppose it is 7D, according to that it would be either 8D or just 1-A if it is a qualitative difference.
It does not. It makes literally no difference
Read the FAQ brother. You do not need a 1A cosmology to argue for tier 0
No, it is not, not in all cases, Tensura has no ontological basis for hyper law, how can there be an existence that encompasses this and has the requirements for level 0 if it encompasses a 3D world?
Again, requirements 1-A are qualitative, you did not apply any that proves it here, that is, what is left is the quote he used as being unique, based on the verse encompassing everything, It doesn't upgrade anything.Read the FAQ brother. You do not need a 1A cosmology to argue for tier 0
As a rule it is, but that doesn't fit into the context you put, there are no citations of "qualities" in the veldanava to apply at least 1-A there, and when applying the ontology, They simply ignored that the exact quote they used for level 0 has the basis of being linked to cosmology.
I take it that you are derailing at this point. How many times do I have to tell you that cosmology is not important ?
It is not important in general terms, go back to the beginning of the topic and look at the scans they provided, you will see that they support the connection with cosmology, they do not apply it outside of that.
Let me quote staff talking about Tier 0 for you, since it seems you didn't understood a single thing, and most likely didn't read anything in the tiering system revision either
What I'm asking for is the quality that proves 1-A, not the highest cosmology, I cited the cosmology from his scan about "being unique".
I don't really get how that has any relation to God being tier 0 in any case, nor do I get why you're asking that.
Rephrase that in better terms
Tao Te Ching is literally irrelevant on Yog-Sothoth's case lmao, Ultima even told him to delete that because it just doesn't mean anything but it does confirm something so yeah..
I didn't mean literally copying the entire short book of Tao Te Ching, what I mean is for the exposition to be on that level. To be clear in its description of ultimate reality (Will of God in Tensura case).Tao Te Ching is literally irrelevant on Yog-Sothoth's case lmao, Ultima even told him to delete that because it just doesn't mean anything but it does confirm something so yeah..
-Monster Die When Killed
Least confusing chinese fiction
It is simple enough if one gives it a thought. That's why I wrote an entire explanation in one of my earlier posts to simplify it to the extreme
That wouldn't be so easy to find in non-Chinese verses. After all, TenSura is japanese, I would be more surprised if he added those things instead.
Keep this discussiom somewhere else, this is a tensura thread, not some thread to discuss other fiction
I think that are just your interpretations of those scans to make it tier 0. I honestly see them as not enough.
What I'm looking for is the not vagueness in the novel itself, I personally need a detailed exposition for each aspect of the will of God for it to reach tier 0. Like how God omnipotency actually work, how his immanency works, etc; because all of that are important in the context of tier 0. Just a short paragraph or passage similar to that, and this isn't really exclusive to Chinese fiction really. As details are important for an extraordinary tier like tier 0.
That isn't an argument against anything I explained in my earlier post, here as well. I didn't just say its a tier 0 because I believe it, I gave multiple analogies and reasons while explaining it. So far, it doesn't seem like any of them have actually been addressed.
I think I explained that extremely clearly here, and not short at all.
The context I get from this is that he basically immanent and omniscient before giving up his omnipotence and omniscience? He know the outcomes of all-things and get bored because of that (The notion of all encompassing can be bored is absurd, but I digress), so after that act of giving up omnipotency and omniscient- not everything is him then? Because that what I seen from the scan and my own causal reasoning.
So there was time when he is everything and then there the time "after" he didn't became everything?
So Veldanava want to attain imperfection from "absolute oneness"? Which in this case his own original self?
As a chinaman myself, we can't really use Taoist and Buddhist terminology unless it was explained thoroughly in the verse itself (in my opinion). Nirvana being a state where soul being freed from restriction and arriving to the promised land sound viable. But previous passage makes it look like it was used in combat than in metaphysical purpose, doesn't really reduce the validity though.
But I digress.
This is Taoism 101, just change flow with qi and truth of the world with Heavenly Dao. And I don't really think this is very evident since one qi can be ones and harmonious with the universe while still not tier 0. Unless flow are thoroughly explained in verse, I don't really see this. I don't really see the state without quality in this one, as they still have their own distinct waves.
Interesting that most angels want to unite all the powers to resurrect an Omnipotent and Omniscient being (which should be impossible in any way) but since Feldway say that just a logical theory and never brought up again I would ignore that. It was mentioned many times in the scan that Velda giving up his Omnipotency many times.
God in his absolute, eternal and infinite existence should already encompassed the very 'Change' itself without even needed to send an avatar to the world. I really thought that the Author doesn't really understand the immutability of omnipotence and use that word freely, he make Velda giving up his omnipotency as one of the main plot of the novel. Also bold claim for Veldanava as a mere avatar without concrete and clear scans to support this, as this is one of the main point for Will of God tier 0.
