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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

rainheart said:
yo guys is it possible that great spirit dark and light are TD2 since its also a duality concept..
Not only that its also govern the laws..
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Transdual means something that's above the concept of duality .Why would Spirit of darkness and light be Transdual because they're duality concept ?
 
Diablo_ said:
Well I also thought about that

During the fight against Grandbell ,Luminous managed to overpower Hope king Sariel by sheer willpower .At least Luminous should have supernatural will power .

It was also stated in vol-11 that a Ultimate skill vs Ultimate skill fights are determined by users will power (or something like this when grandbell and Luminous fought) .

There are multiple statements about Ultimate skill users having strong souls (Don't know if strong souls also indicate supernatural will power )
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exactly because of this, when there is the next crt or profile, i will ask for this addition
 
Yo guys wanna ask is there such thing as a layers of acca4..
Cuz like you guys no tensura chara like has a layers of acca..
Being a spiritual lifeform or elemntal spirits is already outside law..
Having a ultkmate skills.
And such as velgrynd which has above the system...
 
On a whim, I tried translating volume 5, because the kids version was also released. And I found a messy Yenpress translation.

Disintegration which should be SoL, Yenpress translates it to be close to the speed of light (Rel+).

Disintegration consistently gets SoL.
raw :
この〝聖浄化結界〟内で行使可能な魔法は、〈呪符術〉や〈気闘法〉、それに〈精霊魔法〉といった魔素に影響されない技術や魔法のみ。
そんな状況でヒナタが選択したのは、最大の浄化能力を持つ〈神聖魔法〉究極の一撃。ヒナタの奥の手とも呼べる、最強の攻撃手段の一つであった。
ヒナタは前方に突き出した両手で複雑な印を結びつつ、神に祈りを捧げるように呪文を詠唱する。それに伴って、前方の空間に複雑な幾何学模様が浮かび上がった。
高速で織り成される世界への干渉により、積層型魔法陣が展開されているのだ。
その魔法陣の中心には、暴走し精霊を喰らう『暴食者』の姿がある。
知恵も知性も失い、冷静な思考力も持たない哀れな獲物として。
「神へ祈りを捧げ給う。我は望み、聖霊の御力を欲する。我が願い、聞き届け給え。万物よ尽きよ！ 〝霊子崩壊〟!!」
ヒナタの美しい声で、その詠唱は神に捧げられた。
そして、願いは叶えられる。
正に、神の如きその力。
限定範囲を対象として、物質はおろか魂さえも打ち砕く。
究極の対人対物破壊魔法。
魔法陣内部に、ヒナタの両手から迸る白色の光が届く。
それは閃光。
発動から対象へと到達する速度は、秒速三十万キロ。光速に等しいその速度からは、何人たりとも逃れる事は敵わない。
魔法により操られた霊子が、対象の細胞から魂までを聖なる力で完全消滅させる。
その光は周囲に被害を与える事もなく、『暴食者』を痕跡も残さずに消滅させたのだった。

DeepL :
The only magic that can be used within this "holy purification ward" is techniques and magic that are unaffected by magical elements, such as "spell art," "kiatsu-ho," and "spirit magic.
Under such circumstances, Hinata chose to use the ultimate in sacred magic, which has the greatest purification power. It was one of Hinata's strongest means of attack, which could also be called her most powerful move.
Hinata chanted a spell as if she were praying to the gods while making complicated signs with her hands, which were held out in front of her. As she did so, a complex geometric pattern appeared in the space ahead of her.
A stacked magic circle was unfolding due to the interference with the world woven at high speed.
At the center of the magic circle is the figure of a "ravenous eater" who has run amok and is devouring spirits.
The "ravenous devourer" is at the center of the magic circle, running amok and devouring the spirits as a pitiful prey that has lost all wisdom and intelligence and has no capacity for calm thought.
I pray to God. I desire the power of the Holy Spirit. Hear my prayer. Let all things come to an end! "The spirit child is destroyed!"
In Hinata's beautiful voice, the chant was dedicated to God.
And the wish was granted.
The power was truly divine.
Targeting a limited area, it shatters not only matter, but even souls.
It is the ultimate in anti-personal and anti-property destruction magic.
Inside the magic circle, a white light gushes out from Hinata's hands.
It is a flash.
It reaches the target at a speed of 300,000 kilometers per second. No one can escape from this speed, which is equal to the speed of light.
The spirit child manipulated by magic completely annihilates the target's cells and soul with holy power.
The light did not cause any damage to the surroundings, and the "binge eater" was extinguished without leaving any traces.

Yenpress :
The only magic that could be used within a Holy Field involves amulets, Battlewill, spirits, and the like. Among them, Hinata now chose one of the greatest of holy magics, a powerful attack that she usually kept as one of her last resorts. Tracing complex shapes with her outstretched hands, she crafted a geometrical design in the air, stretching it out into a layered, physically present magic circle. In the middle of it was the berserk, spirit-consuming Glutton, unconscious, unthinking, and pitiful.
“Let me provide you a prayer to the divine. I hope and desire for the power of the holy spirits. Listen to my appeal and overcome all in your way! Disintegration!!”
The request, delivered in Hinata’s beautiful voice, was granted. The resulting show of force was literally divine, enough to crush all physical and spiritual presences within its defined space. It was the ultimate in targeted, destructive magic, emitting flashes of white light as it poured from Hinata’s hands to the circle. It sped out at thousands of miles per hour, almost at light speed, as its holy power made cells and souls vanish without a trace. It was more than enough to make the Glutton disappear, not affecting the space around it at all.
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rainheart said:
Yo guys wanna ask is there such thing as a layers of acca4..
Cuz like you guys no tensura chara like has a layers of acca..
Being a spiritual lifeform or elemntal spirits is already outside law..
Having a ultkmate skills.
And such as velgrynd which has above the system...
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Are you trying to say Velgrynd is acc type 5?
 
the statement was "Velgrynd is outside the laws of this world" and in some unknown way they interpret "Velgrynd is above all cause and effect systems in the world" even though there is a lot of evidence against this, I feel that every day I understand less about Tensura's verse
 
Catpija said:
ayo how to get the badge thing
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Peak said:
the statement was "Velgrynd is outside the laws of this world" and in some unknown way they interpret "Velgrynd is above all cause and effect systems in the world" even though there is a lot of evidence against this, I feel that every day I understand less about Tensura's verse
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Which evidence tho?
 
Dread said:
Which evidence tho?
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you say evidence against acc5? In fact, there is nor evidence to support acc 5, but if you are interested, Velgrynd can be interacted with by any being from the verse, as shown in vol17, and even in the most recent volume, she was not only interacted with, but lost to Feldway, I doubt that there is any being with acc5 in tensura at the moment
 
Peak said:
you say evidence against acc5? In fact, there is nor evidence to support acc 5, but if you are interested, Velgrynd can be interacted with by any being from the verse, as shown in vol17, and even in the most recent volume, she was not only interacted with, but lost to Feldway, I doubt that there is any being with acc5 in tensura at the moment
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Oh. If it is stated that he is outside the cause and effect system, maybe Feldway is also acc type 5? Or what do you mean by everyone being from the verse? Also those who are bound by law cause and effect?
 
Dread said:
Oh. If it is stated that he is outside the cause and effect system, maybe Feldway is also acc type 5? Or what do you mean by everyone being from the verse? Also those who are bound by law cause and effect?
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as far as i know there were no statements about cause and effect on the scene, what i meant is that the actual statement is:
In the first place, crossing over worlds would normally be impossible. Even through the “Underworld Gate,” you are limited by the size of the gate.


A person like Velgrynd, who can use ‘Spacetime Leap’ without any restrictions, is outside the laws of the world.(volume 17-cp2)
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but they say it is outside the laws of cause and effect, but for now I think they are just overestimating the statement, what this scene meant is that she doesn't need to use the underworld gate to transit between the multiverse, because she has a skill superior to that.

but rereading some parts i also found that having some universes has no causality but i don't know what that means in context
Through it all, Velgrynd came to understand that there is no single world that Veldanava has created.


He created many worlds.


There was one world, and there were no parallel worlds. But there were other worlds.


There were ‘otherworlders,’ so she was aware of that fact, but Velgrynd had never imagined that there were so many different worlds.


They were governed by completely different laws, and there was no causality. It was a material world within a great spiritual world of many different civilizations. (volume 17-cp2)
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Peak said:
as far as i know there were no statements about cause and effect on the scene, what i meant is that the actual statement is:

but they say it is outside the laws of cause and effect, but for now I think they are just overestimating the statement, what this scene meant is that she doesn't need to use the underworld gate to transit between the multiverse, because she has a skill superior to that.

but rereading some parts i also found that having some universes has no causality but i don't know what that means in context
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Mhm, now I understand it. Sounds more acc type 4 but complicated one, even tho it can qualify for acc type 5 but it is not outside of all systems, man this is getting more complicated tho
 
Dread said:
Mhm, now I understand it. Sounds more acc type 4 but complicated one, even tho it can qualify for acc type 5 but it is not outside of all systems, man this is getting more complicated tho
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I think so, but for now, no acc 5 yet, maybe Veldanava in his most powerful version, before giving up his powers, but Fuse hasn't delved into it yet
 
in the latest volume Rimuru has all the abilities of the angel series doesn't he? what were these skills? And their effects?
 
someone who has Acas 5, can't interact in any way with someone who doesn't?

like if the Acas 5 is linked to the true (spiritual) body and the material only serves as a way to manifest in the normal world, this could serve as a basis for the Acas 5 ?

I'm not saying that's the case because I also think it still no Acas 5 in slime
 
Things like intangibiliy, incorporeality exists.
Also aca 5 new standard needs blatant statement
 
091Franky said:
Things like intangibiliy, incorporeality exists.
Also aca 5 new standard needs blatant statement
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like being unaffected by cause and effect abilities, not being able to interact with other characters, or being cited being above or detached from the world system?
 
JV_DLS said:
like being unaffected by cause and effect abilities, not being able to interact with other characters, or being cited being above or detached from the world system?
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Spiritual lifeforms can be interacted by anyone that can use magic. They are not free from cause and effect. Noone in the series till now have power that is not govern by the votw.

Digital lifeforms are still affected by ultimate skills and all so don't expect much either
 
091Franky said:
Spiritual lifeforms can be interacted by anyone that can use magic. They are not free from cause and effect. Noone in the series till now have power that is not govern by the votw.

Digital lifeforms are still affected by ultimate skills and all so don't expect much either
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wouldn't that be a feat of ultimate abilities? after all they can change the laws of the world

But I think there must be a life form above the digital one, Veldanava himself probably must be, and he is the best hope of Acas 5 and transduality in slime, at least for me
 
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about acca type 5 i find it very difficult to have this in tension since everything in slime is governed by laws having each world its own laws, even if you are above the laws of one world it doesn't mean you are above the laws of other worlds , as the verse itself there are upper and lower worlds though not fully explained, the only ones that can probably have type 5 acca are Veldanava, Ivaraj and Rimuru, and probably Guy too, as the first 2 came before creation and Rimuru and Guy are the ones two with more potential of the work taking into account wb
 
LoganKroos said:
about acca type 5 i find it very difficult to have this in tension since everything in slime is governed by laws having each world its own laws, even if you are above the laws of one world it doesn't mean you are above the laws of other worlds , as the verse itself there are upper and lower worlds though not fully explained, the only ones that can probably have type 5 acca are Veldanava, Ivaraj and Rimuru, and probably Guy too, as the first 2 came before creation and Rimuru and Guy are the ones two with more potential of the work taking into account wb
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Ivarage might get it now that he's awakened, but being awakened demon lord doesn't give something like acc5, so it's still unlikely, Rimuru might be something possible at the end of the series because Fuse is heading towards him being the most powerful cono in the webnovel, but otherwise I think at most acc4
 
Diablo_ said:
May be I am weird ?I have always seen him as an old man .The thought of him being waifu or anything never crossed my mind
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Also I can only see an old uncle in that harmless body, so I found Rimuru's sensualized illustration from vol20 strange lol, that's also why there are few Rimuru fanarts that I like, because most of them treat him like waifu
 
Peak said:
the statement was "Velgrynd is outside the laws of this world" and in some unknown way they interpret "Velgrynd is above all cause and effect systems in the world" even though there is a lot of evidence against this, I feel that every day I understand less about Tensura's verse
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its actually outside the laws of angelic system
 
LoganKroos said:
about acca type 5 i find it very difficult to have this in tension since everything in slime is governed by laws having each world its own laws, even if you are above the laws of one world it doesn't mean you are above the laws of other worlds , as the verse itself there are upper and lower worlds though not fully explained, the only ones that can probably have type 5 acca are Veldanava, Ivaraj and Rimuru, and probably Guy too, as the first 2 came before creation and Rimuru and Guy are the ones two with more potential of the work taking into account wb
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but i think there is a chance tho... For veldanava would be th onw who possible to get it since he created all include the all laws..
for digital lifeform i guess its maybe possbile idk but digital lifeform is the upgrade of spiritual being..
which spiritual being has the same nature as elemental spirits and a fragment of great spirit.. they can also be called a living laws
and to put it again a spiritual lifeform also transcend laws while they are the living laws itself and some of them has a ultimate skills also transcend th laws... which like they get 3 time aca4.. and not to mention true dragon the pinnacle of spiritual lifeform with benimaru who almost has the same aspect as true dragon..
 
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