Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[091Franky]

No Luminous fought Milim then she was weakened .Chloe killed the weakened Milim that's what it says .Cheek chapter 125

There are lots of reasons why she wouldn't scale
1. The battle is from a different timeline and literally have no info on how the battle actually went. Ruminas in wn have lots of supporting force which could've helped.
2. Ruminas was unable to save her city from the veldora that fights based on instinct.
3. Even Ultimate Skill Veldora is not close to the likes of guy who was not able to defeat milim.
4. Hinata probably doesn't even know the existence of stardust energy if she thinks milim would be weakened in only three days.
5. The whole fight was inconsistent and it doesn't sit with the rest of story power level so it'll be outlier.

Tho you could upscale ruminas to 5B from Gadra magic which was supposed to destroy the planet iirc

 

[Diablo_]

There are lots of reasons why she wouldn't scale
1. The battle is from a different timeline and literally have no info on how the battle actually went. Ruminas in wn have lots of supporting force which could've helped.
2. Ruminas was unable to save her city from the veldora that fights based on instinct.
3. Even Ultimate Skill Veldora is not close to the likes of guy who was not able to defeat milim.
4. Hinata probably doesn't even know the existence of stardust energy if she thinks milim would be weakened in only three days.
5. The whole fight was inconsistent and it doesn't sit with the rest of story power level so it'll be outlier.

Tho you could upscale ruminas to 5B from Gadra magic which was supposed to destroy the planet iirc

May be Ruminas scales to base milim ?Milim tends to forget to use his stanael like she did when fighting velda .Milim thought Rimuru was killed due to Ruminas so she was out of her mind then .

Not just Ruminas ,Adalmann is also comparable to Gadra .

 

[Diablo_]

There are lots of reasons why she wouldn't scale
1. The battle is from a different timeline and literally have no info on how the battle actually went. Ruminas in wn have lots of supporting force which could've helped.
2. Ruminas was unable to save her city from the veldora that fights based on instinct.
3. Even Ultimate Skill Veldora is not close to the likes of guy who was not able to defeat milim.
4. Hinata probably doesn't even know the existence of stardust energy if she thinks milim would be weakened in only three days.
5. The whole fight was inconsistent and it doesn't sit with the rest of story power level so it'll be outlier.

Tho you could upscale ruminas to 5B from Gadra magic which was supposed to destroy the planet iirc

Can kazaleam(Seraphim) be used to scale Leon ?Benimaru couldn't completely destroy him even after using his full energy .Later Diablo came and finished him off

 

[Catpija]

well that the problem, the only canon part of the game(extra stories) takes place on another timeline, so it wouldnt scale to any character right now.

wait, i just realised that since Chloe was time traveling, all of the feat in Isekai Memories can be put on her light novel profile(if existed) since all of masked Hero in alternate timeline was her

 

[Tempestdragon6]

rimuru vs galactus 2c

 

[Tempestdragon6]

wait, i just realised that since Chloe was time traveling, all of the feat in Isekai Memories can be put on her light novel profile(if existed) since all of masked Hero in alternate timeline was her

yeah we can use as a solid evidence for her and other tenshura characters

 

[Catpija]

Greeza vs Diablo

https://vsbattles.com/threads/battle-for-the-strongest-3-a-spot-non-smurf-greeza-vs-diablo-web-novel.139381/#post-4923211

 

[Diablo_]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/small-upgrade-for-ruminas-valentine-wn-tensura.139424/

 

[LoganKroos]

do you think Leon can be 3A, since he is a demi god, which is the maximum evolution that a hero can reach, and there are only 3 that are Cloe, Rudra, and Leon and it has been stated that this class is comparable to true dragons, and since both Rudra and Cloe are 3A, shouldn't Leon also have a "probably 3A"?

 

[LoganKroos]

man, I read chapter 400,401 of the web novel and really the time stop of the web novel can be immeasurable yes, since Rimuru and Ciel claim that all negative or positive energy has a direction. and that the growth speed = speed of time, so regardless of the energy it is if time stops it also stops regardless of the speed it is, even the mobius system or the ciel system that have infinite energy both negative and positive are no exception , as long as there is a direction it will stop along with time, in addition to rimuru being able to increase its speed in stopped time, and it is also a passive since even veldora that has spacetime manipulation, but does not master enough to stop time, can be moving in stopped time, in addition to rimuru said that veldora can survive even in a world without time. that is, in a world without what do you think?

 

[Catpija]

do you think Leon can be 3A, since he is a demi god, which is the maximum evolution that a hero can reach, and there are only 3 that are Cloe, Rudra, and Leon and it has been stated that this class is comparable to true dragons, and since both Rudra and Cloe are 3A, shouldn't Leon also have a "probably 3A"?

Chloe isnt near Rudra on the first place, as how Guy can win against both Velzard and Chloe, and Rudra can rival Guy to the point if Guy wasnt going full power he's not gonna win. this already proves that being on the same race evolution will not prove you have the same or even comparable power level

man, I read chapter 400,401 of the web novel and really the time stop of the web novel can be immeasurable yes, since Rimuru and Ciel claim that all negative or positive energy has a direction. and that the growth speed = speed of time, so regardless of the energy it is if time stops it also stops regardless of the speed it is, even the mobius system or the ciel system that have infinite energy both negative and positive are no exception , as long as there is a direction it will stop along with time, in addition to rimuru being able to increase its speed in stopped time, and it is also a passive since even veldora that has spacetime manipulation, but does not master enough to stop time, can be moving in stopped time, in addition to rimuru said that veldora can survive even in a world without time. that is, in a world without what do you think?

..........how is this immeasureable

 

[Diablo_]

There are lots of reasons why she wouldn't scale
1. The battle is from a different timeline and literally have no info on how the battle actually went. Ruminas in wn have lots of supporting force which could've helped.
2. Ruminas was unable to save her city from the veldora that fights based on instinct.
3. Even Ultimate Skill Veldora is not close to the likes of guy who was not able to defeat milim.
4. Hinata probably doesn't even know the existence of stardust energy if she thinks milim would be weakened in only three days.
5. The whole fight was inconsistent and it doesn't sit with the rest of story power level so it'll be outlier.

Tho you could upscale ruminas to 5B from Gadra magic which was supposed to destroy the planet iirc

There's another statement where Ruminas says , "I'll be able able to pull a trick on Milim and fight her but ultimately I'll lose .But that man ...I'll admit that I have no chance against him(Guy crimson) ."

Well forgot the exact words but I think this is what the statement was .Most likely she fought base Milim .She should at least scale to base Milim .

WN and LN are really different Veldora ran away from Ruminas when she got serious (stated by veldora himself )

 

[Diablo_]

man, I read chapter 400,401 of the web novel and really the time stop of the web novel can be immeasurable yes, since Rimuru and Ciel claim that all negative or positive energy has a direction. and that the growth speed = speed of time, so regardless of the energy it is if time stops it also stops regardless of the speed it is, even the mobius system or the ciel system that have infinite energy both negative and positive are no exception , as long as there is a direction it will stop along with time, in addition to rimuru being able to increase its speed in stopped time, and it is also a passive since even veldora that has spacetime manipulation, but does not master enough to stop time, can be moving in stopped time, in addition to rimuru said that veldora can survive even in a world without time. that is, in a world without what do you think?

That's not immeasurable .moving in timeless /Spaceless voids used to give infinite speed before but the rules have changed .

 

[Tempestdragon6]

why this thread suddenly become quite

 

[Ovrhide]

There's another statement where Ruminas says , "I'll be able able to pull a trick on Milim and fight her but ultimately I'll lose .But that man ...I'll admit that I have no chance against him(Guy crimson) ."

Light novel or web novel?

cause in the light novel, Carrera states that Milim is in an entirely different realm of power compared to her in volume 19. Ruminas does not hold a candle to Carrera.

 

[JV_DLS]

yo guys im gack and im going to talk about Unlimited prison again IK u guy dont agree but see

• Unlimited Imprisonment: Entombs the target in a complex number of spatial dimensions.

Complex number - Wikipedia

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A+BI
Real number + Real number + Imaginary number
Infinite + Infinite=Uncountably infinite number
In mathematics, a real number is a value of a continuous quantity that can represent a distance along a line (or alternatively, a quantity that can be represented as an infinite decimal expansion

Real number - Wikipedia

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The set of all real numbers is uncountable, in the sense that while both the set of all natural numbers and the set of all real numbers are infinite sets, there can be no one-to-one function from the real numbers to the natural numbers. In fact, the cardinality of the set of all real numbers, denoted by {\displaystyle {\mathfrak {c}}}

and called the cardinality of the continuum, is strictly greater than the cardinality of the set of all natural numbers (denoted {\displaystyle \aleph _{0}}

, 'aleph-naught'

Low 1-A: Low Outerverse level​

Characters who can affect objects with a number of dimensions greater than the set of natural numbers, meaning in simple terms that the number of dimensions is aleph-1 (An uncountably infinite number, assumed to be the cardinality of the real numbers themselves), and therefore that such objects fully exceed High 1-B structures, which have only a countably infinite number of dimensions. More information on the concept is available on this page.

I don't understand much about it but I don't think it scales that high, mainly because it's something that needs more explanation and as infinite prison went along with Uriel I don't think they'll mention it again. But I wonder what the imaginary space would be like, because I think it was based precisely on the infinite prison and the stomach, it seems to act kind of outside the slime system or something, and if LN continues to be superior to WN I think it could be greater than 2 -B, being able to give Rimuru a "higher dimensional manipulation"

 

[Diablo_]

Light novel or web novel?

cause in the light novel, Carrera states that Milim is in an entirely different realm of power compared to her in volume 19. Ruminas does not hold a candle to Carrera.

Web novel .

 

[Peak]

Light novel or web novel?

cause in the light novel, Carrera states that Milim is in an entirely different realm of power compared to her in volume 19. Ruminas does not hold a candle to Carrera.

Without exaggeration, Ruminas is probably comparable to Benimaru who is superior to Carrera

 

[Ovrhide]

Without exaggeration, Ruminas is probably comparable to Benimaru who is superior to Carrera

Objectively false.

like you have been many times before.

Carrera in raw power is at 7,000,000+ EP while benimaru is at less than 5,000,000+

I couldn’t care less about who wins in a fight, this is purely raw power.

But to milim it is irrelevant because someone like Guy can’t defeat her despite his 40,000,000 ep and his insane skills and experience that allow him to duel people over 2x his EP value. Guy is one of the most experienced people in the verse

Ruminas is doing absolutely nothing.

 

[LoganKroos]

Without exaggeration, Ruminas is probably comparable to Benimaru who is superior to Carrera

Benimaru >>>>>>>> Carrera >>> Ruminas, Benimaru defeated Rudra's strongest warrior easily, as well as being able to copy techniques and possibly powers like he copied Agera and Carrera's techniques, and Rimuru says he fights by holding on , and Carrera was already at the level of Ruminas when he was given a name

 

[Peak]

Objectively false.

like you have been many times before.

Carrera in raw power is at 7,000,000+ EP while benimaru is at less than 5,000,000+

I couldn’t care less about who wins in a fight, this is purely raw power.

But to milim it is irrelevant because someone like Guy can’t defeat her despite his 40,000,000 ep and his insane skills and experience that allow him to duel people over 2x his EP value. Guy is one of the most experienced people in the verse

Ruminas is not doing absolutely shit.

"like you have been many times before."
When? And what comparison are you making? When i talked about Guy or Milim? What I said was an exaggeration is to say that Carrera is much superior to Luminas, which is not the case, and seriously you are determining who wins using amount of EP? Don't realize how superficial this comparison is?

 

[Ovrhide]

"like you have been many times before."
When? And what comparison are you making? When i talked about Guy or Milim? What I said was an exaggeration is to say that Carrera is much superior to Luminas, which is not the case, and seriously you are determining who wins using amount of EP? Don't realize how superficial this comparison is?

Read. because I explicitly said I couldn’t care less who wins, but only raw power. I then followed it by saying that it is irrelevant to milim because she can’t be beat by someone who not only has a monstrous 40,000,000 ep, but who is also so stupidly skilled that he can fight and beat people over 2x their EP value.

also no, Carrera >>> Ruminas. That’s a fact.

 

[Peak]

Benimaru >>>>>>>> Carrera >>> Ruminas, Benimaru defeated Rudra's strongest warrior easily, as well as being able to copy techniques and possibly powers like he copied Agera and Carrera's techniques, and Rimuru says he fights by holding on , and Carrera was already at the level of Ruminas when he was given a name

You using Rudra's subordinates doesn't make any sense, Luminas didn't even participate in this war and didn't even have parameters to measure his ability, and Benimaru didn't fight holding back, none of Rimuru's subordinates were, Rimuru says that Benimaru fights by holding on inside the labyrinth and in battles that are not to the death, and saying that Carrera was superior when he got a name is another madness, since Carrera didn't even have ultimate skill yet

 

[Peak]

Read. because I explicitly said I couldn’t care less who wins, but only raw power. I then followed it by saying that it is irrelevant to milim because she can’t be beat by someone who not only has a monstrous 40,000,000 ep, but who is also so stupidly skilled that he can fight and beat people over 2x their EP value.

also no, Carrera >>> Ruminas. That’s a fact.

again saying about Milim and Guy, did you read what I said? I don't care about the two, I'm saying about Luminas and Carrera, Carrera may be superior in vol15, but the difference isn't much, because Rimuru compared a newly awakened Luminas with Benimaru

 

[Peak]

and I'm still waiting for the answer about "like you have been many times before.", that was a speech with no basis

 

[091Franky]

Feat and raw power wise carrera is far superior to ruminas but in ln different between awakened monsters are not shown something very big in fights. Also, slime has lots of inconsistenty to properly rank them

 

[Peak]

Feat and raw power wise carrera is far superior to ruminas but in ln different between awakened monsters are not shown something very big in fights. Also, slime has lots of inconsistenty to properly rank them

I agree with your words, however, Carrera having more destructive feats is natural, of all the primordials, she only loses to Guy in this regard, and even so Diablo and Testarossa are superior, I don't disagree that Carrera is superior to Luminas, but I believe they are comparable, destructive power is not what defines a slime battle, that's what I mean.

 

[Diablo_]

I agree with your words, however, Carrera having more destructive feats is natural, of all the primordials, she only loses to Guy in this regard, and even so Diablo and Testarossa are superior, I don't disagree that Carrera is superior to Luminas, but I believe they are comparable, destructive power is not what defines a slime battle, that's what I mean.

I can put carrera above Luminous .Carrera fought Zess and Peliod in volume -19 without using her strongest weapon "Magic" .Zess Was once mentioned to be one the level of Zalario and to be his/her rival(Do angels have gender ?) on other occasion .Obera mentioned Zess to be challenge for even Zalrio to beat .

Not to mention Peliod ,She can possibly even throw Milm's drago nova back at her .

What's Luminous's best feat ?Does it scale that high ?I can also argue that Carrera>Benimaru

Carrera defeated kondou whom Benimaru said he can't defeat .Benimaru's best feat RN is somehow managing to fight against Jahil because they had the same element .

 

[Peak]

I can put carrera above Luminous .Carrera fought Zess and Peliod in volume -19 without using her strongest weapon "Magic" .Zess Was once mentioned to be one the level of Zalario and to be his/her rival(Do angels have gender ?) on other occasion .Obera mentioned Zess to be challenge for even Zalrio to beat .

Not to mention Peliod ,She can possibly even throw Milm's drago nova back at her .

What's Luminous's best feat ?Does it scale that high ?I can also argue that Carrera>Benimaru

Carrera defeated kondou whom Benimaru said he can't defeat .Benimaru's best feat RN is somehow managing to fight against Jahil because they had the same element .

in this case, I agree with you, the arguments convinced me, we can leave it like this until volume 20, which I hope Luminas will also take action, and coincidentally Carrera is also in battle.

 

[Community_Gamer]

I can put carrera above Luminous .Carrera fought Zess and Peliod in volume -19 without using her strongest weapon "Magic" .Zess Was once mentioned to be one the level of Zalario and to be his/her rival(Do angels have gender ?) on other occasion .Obera mentioned Zess to be challenge for even Zalrio to beat .

Not to mention Peliod ,She can possibly even throw Milm's drago nova back at her .

What's Luminous's best feat ?Does it scale that high ?I can also argue that Carrera>Benimaru

Carrera defeated kondou whom Benimaru said he can't defeat .Benimaru's best feat RN is somehow managing to fight against Jahil because they had the same element .

Luminas is pretty mid-high tier.
Carrera ***** on her, also Peliod cannot handle Milim's Drao-Nova. Only some of energy could be returned if at all.

 

[Community_Gamer]

again saying about Milim and Guy, did you read what I said? I don't care about the two, I'm saying about Luminas and Carrera, Carrera may be superior in vol15, but the difference isn't much, because Rimuru compared a newly awakened Luminas with Benimaru

Rimuru also compared Carrera with himself. Which energy wise is accurate. Also Benimaru ***** on Luminas.

 

[Peak]

Rimuru also compared Carrera with himself. Which energy wise is accurate. Also Benimaru ***** on Luminas.

Isn't that a perfect example of what I said? EP or destructive power does not define a slime battle, Rimuru compared Benimaru EP to Luminas, Rimuru compared his own EP to Carrera, Rimuru stated that Benimaru is the 3rd most powerful subordinate, losing to Zegion because of the water element, and to Diablo, both have a lower EP than Carrera, and Testarossa is also superior to her even though she has a much lower EP, see the mess? Attempting to measure by EP or destructive power leaves the overall result inconsistent, but next volume this should be clearer, as Carrera and Luminas will battle.

 

[Peak]

Of course, it goes without saying that Rimuru is MUCH more superior than any of his subordinates even though he has comparable EP to them, being able to easily face and defeat Michael with over 100M EP and is comparable to beings of the highest level like Guy, Milim and all true dragons, in short, EP is inconsistent, it is possible to make a superficial measurement of physical capabilities and it is still possible to be controversial.

 

[LoganKroos]

Of course, it goes without saying that Rimuru is MUCH more superior than any of his subordinates even though he has comparable EP to them, being able to easily face and defeat Michael with over 100M EP and is comparable to beings of the highest level like Guy, Milim and all true dragons, in short, EP is inconsistent, it is possible to make a superficial measurement of physical capabilities and it is still possible to be controversial.

ep is only relevant up to 1M which is when you become a divine being, after that it's just the amount of magic you can waste, it doesn't influence anything in power

 

[Ovrhide]

Rimuru also compared Carrera with himself. Which energy wise is accurate. Also Benimaru ***** on Luminas.

Luminas is pretty mid-high tier.
Carrera ***** on her, also Peliod cannot handle Milim's Drao-Nova. Only some of energy could be returned if at all.

Based take.

going back to Luminas, in the LN, she isn’t doing anything to Milim no matter how much she believes she can. She is far below Guy in both EP and Skill, and even he can’t bring milim down.

My guess is that she took milim vs Rimuru as measurement of her power for some dumb reason.

 

[Peak]

ep is only relevant up to 1M which is when you become a divine being, after that it's just the amount of magic you can waste, it doesn't influence anything in power

you become a divine being with 2M EP, and EP is not just for measuring energy, but physical skills

t was the hidden purpose of the labyrinth to quantify the ‘level’ of lifeforms and construct relevant databases. The main idea was to help with crisis management by accumulating the necessary information about the battles within the maze as they were displayed on the screen.


The numerical representation that was common to the entire process was called the “existence value.”


It was a numerical value of magicule quantity and physical ability, plus the energy content contained in the equipped armor, however, it was different from actual combat ability.


Since it is impossible to completely measure a person’s ability or level of skill, it should be considered only as a reference, but it was still useful.

but the relevance of it doesn't really matter here, but as I said, let's wait until the next volume

 

[Peak]

Based take.

going back to Luminas, in the LN, she isn’t doing anything to Milim no matter how much she believes she can. She is far below Guy in both EP and Skill, and even he can’t bring milim down.

My guess is that she took milim vs Rimuru as measurement of her power for some dumb reason.

With all due respect, you are definitely confusing the discussions, the Luminas and Milim being used are from WN, not LN, Diablo(user) brought up this issue to see if it is possible to scale Luminas to 3-A, this has nothing to do with LN.

 

[LoganKroos]

you become a divine being with 2M EP, and EP is not just for measuring energy, but physical skills

but the relevance of it doesn't really matter here, but as I said, let's wait until the next volume

2M is a high level deity, but 1M is also a deity subservient to an inferior one, example Souei is Benimaru's subordinate, 1M is the ep required to become a deity and oppose the laws of the world, as mystic weapons also have at least 1M and can hurt other divine beings as ultimate abilities, like shion who doesn't have an ultimate ability but can hurt beings he has because of his mystic weapon and being a high level deity

 

[Peak]

2M is a high level deity, but 1M is also a deity subservient to an inferior one, example Souei is Benimaru's subordinate, 1M is the ep required to become a deity and oppose the laws of the world, as mystic weapons also have at least 1M and can hurt other divine beings as ultimate abilities, like shion who doesn't have an ultimate ability but can hurt beings he has because of his mystic weapon and being a high level deity

I agree with the second half though, 1M is not what it takes to become a deity, you can only become a deity with 1M if you are subordinate of a deity, and you have no conceptually superior or lower deities other than Veldanava, from 2M onwards, all are the same type of existence and the variation is only in energy and physical capabilities.

 

[LoganKroos]

I agree with the second half though, 1M is not what it takes to become a deity, you can only become a deity with 1M if you are subordinate of a deity, and you have no conceptually superior or lower deities other than Veldanava, from 2M onwards, all are the same type of existence and the variation is only in energy and physical capabilities.

the high level divinity I said is to be higher than 2M ep, and 1M is enough to be divine, Rimuru himself declared Souei as a