Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Peak]

what you mean to say? refers to waiting for translation? or do you think that only the translation of Vol 17 is not enough for 2-C?

Some Tensura supporters also disagreed with this scale, as it can be interpreted as a planet, and honestly, I'm pretty divided on that, but I don't think it's a 2-C feat, but a 3-A

 

[JV_DLS]

Some Tensura supporters also disagreed with this scale, as it can be interpreted as a planet, and honestly, I'm pretty divided on that, but I don't think it's a 2-C feat, but a 3-A

I myself have my doubts about this, that's why I said "possible update". This has already been discussed a few times including in this CTR and I thought it was general consensus that it was a 2-C feat, I really think that "lower worlds" are about universes and that this can scale to 2-C because something like all the power of a true dragon being only planetary is kind of contradictory, but yes 3-A can also be valid, but as in any discussion it's always good to wait for the translation, I just asked out of curiosity because I wanted to reread some things from this volume

 

[Peak]

I myself have my doubts about this, that's why I said "possible update". This has already been discussed a few times including in this CTR and I thought it was general consensus that it was a 2-C feat, I really think that "lower worlds" are about universes and that this can scale to 2-C because something like all the power of a true dragon being only planetary is kind of contradictory, but yes 3-A can also be valid, but as in any discussion it's always good to wait for the translation, I just asked out of curiosity because I wanted to reread some things from this volume

I thought more about it and I believe it can be a planetary feat, in the cardinal world the true dragons cannot destroy the planet only with the release of the aura, and as there was no magic in the lower worlds, destruction became possible, Ivarage who was already a being that needed Veldanava help to be sealed had only multi-star feats before evolution, and he was once compared to the power of a true dragon, the difference in destruction from stellar to universe is absurd, so I think low2-C or 3-A should not be accepted if it is not made clear that it is universe.

 

[LoganKroos]

I saw in the comments that volume 14 translations have released, what will be added?

 

[LoganKroos]

I thought more about it and I believe it can be a planetary feat, in the cardinal world the true dragons cannot destroy the planet only with the release of the aura, and as there was no magic in the lower worlds, destruction became possible, Ivarage who was already a being that needed Veldanava help to be sealed had only multi-star feats before evolution, and he was once compared to the power of a true dragon, the difference in destruction from stellar to universe is absurd, so I think low2-C or 3-A should not be accepted if it is not made clear that it is universe.

about this discussion about 2c I think it's better to wait for volume 17 to release, since it's closer, although I'm almost sure it's universes, but you have to wait and see

 

[Peak]

I saw in the comments that volume 14 translations have released, what will be added?

More details about Yuuki's ultimate skill, profile for Damrada, Kondou and Kagali, Rimuru's subordinates also become TDL so a new key must be created, although they do not come into action in this volume. For now I only remember this important, then I must reread

 

[JV_DLS]

I thought more about it and I believe it can be a planetary feat, in the cardinal world the true dragons cannot destroy the planet only with the release of the aura, and as there was no magic in the lower worlds, destruction became possible, Ivarage who was already a being that needed Veldanava help to be sealed had only multi-star feats before evolution, and he was once compared to the power of a true dragon, the difference in destruction from stellar to universe is absurd, so I think low2-C or 3-A should not be accepted if it is not made clear that it is universe.

But isn't the aura Velgrynd talks about simply true dragon energy? what doesn't make sense to me is that she cites a planetary feat being that true Dragons are at least stellar level, Velgrynd herself with 20% could use gravity collapse that could destroy a planet, besides that in this Vol she was using the term "worlds " to refer to the worlds that Veldanava created i.e. universes, even though nothing can be decided right now for not having translation i would like to have an overview about it. By the way, if they are universes, would it be a low 2-C or 2-C feat?

 

[LoganKroos]

But isn't the aura Velgrynd talks about simply true dragon energy? what doesn't make sense to me is that she cites a planetary feat being that true Dragons are at least stellar level, Velgrynd herself with 20% could use gravity collapse that could destroy a planet, besides that in this Vol she was using the term "worlds " to refer to the worlds that Veldanava created i.e. universes, even though nothing can be decided right now for not having translation i would like to have an overview about it. By the way, if they are universes, would it be a low 2-C or 2-C feat?

2c

 

[Community_Gamer]

what you mean to say? refers to waiting for translation? or do you think that only the translation of Vol 17 is not enough for 2-C?

I don't think V17 is enough, no.

 

[Community_Gamer]

I can't deny that, I also thought it was incoherent for someone like Benimaru to underestimate the opponent, but there's not much to do, it was the way Fuse found to boost Karion's morale without discrediting Benimaru, though Benimaru never became that unnaturally powerful so it's not that hard to imagine he was overconfident.

The issue is that Benimaru got stronger then had fight someone on his level like Graneet. He would've died without getting his Ultimate skill. Not to mention he's the commander and chief of Tempest. He knows military strategy, and trained with Hakuro and Milim.

Idk there's a lot of reasons why Benimaru wouldn't underestimate his opponents or lower his guard in a fight.

I just can't care anymore

 

[JV_DLS]

I don't think V17 is enough, no.

Seriously? what would be needed then? if not 2-c is there any significant update in vol 17?

 

[Peak]

But isn't the aura Velgrynd talks about simply true dragon energy? what doesn't make sense to me is that she cites a planetary feat being that true Dragons are at least stellar level, Velgrynd herself with 20% could use gravity collapse that could destroy a planet, besides that in this Vol she was using the term "worlds " to refer to the worlds that Veldanava created i.e. universes, even though nothing can be decided right now for not having translation i would like to have an overview about it. By the way, if they are universes, would it be a low 2-C or 2-C feat?

the aura release is not more powerful than a high scale magic release, for example, Velgrynd can destroy the cardinal world planet with gravity collapse, but it cannot destroy by releasing the aura, already in the weak worlds, it is so little magic that even the release of the aura can blow up the planets, has considerable AP difference from aura to other of Velgrynd's powers. About the statement about "worlds" that Veldanava created, the interpretation I had is that it jumped to other universes where it had such a weak concentration of magic that it could destroy the planet she was on, for me, that's the safest thought, so I agree with the Community, I don't think V17 is enough to be 2-C for now, but it will take a few years for the volume to be translated yet so let's not focus too much on that

 

[Diablo_]

But isn't the aura Velgrynd talks about simply true dragon energy? what doesn't make sense to me is that she cites a planetary feat being that true Dragons are at least stellar level, Velgrynd herself with 20% could use gravity collapse that could destroy a planet, besides that in this Vol she was using the term "worlds " to refer to the worlds that Veldanava created i.e. universes, even though nothing can be decided right now for not having translation i would like to have an overview about it. By the way, if they are universes, would it be a low 2-C or 2-C feat?

Gravity collapse can't destroy planet .It can only destroy the Great Jura Forest .The one that can potentially destroy the whole planet is "Abyss Annhilation" .

I think true dragons' aura can destroy planets .And I believe Full Aura≠Full power .Well even if they're universes It will only scale to 3-A .To get tier 2-C they would need to destroy the entire spacetime continuum of those universes which they can't .(There's no proof of it )

 

[Peak]

The issue is that Benimaru got stronger then had fight someone on his level like Graneet. He would've died without getting his Ultimate skill. Not to mention he's the commander and chief of Tempest. He knows military strategy, and trained with Hakuro and Milim.

Idk there's a lot of reasons why Benimaru wouldn't underestimate his opponents or lower his guard in a fight.

I just can't care anymore

I can't deny that so I will agree, Zegion has the high intrinsic resistance of its insect race and the primordials even without ultimate skills already have demonic skills that are comparable, while Benimaru's race doesn't give him any benefit but honestly I'm curious, I believe he will deal with Jahil later

 

[Diablo_]

the aura release is not more powerful than a high scale magic release, for example, Velgrynd can destroy the cardinal world planet with gravity collapse, but it cannot destroy by releasing the aura, already in the weak worlds, it is so little magic that even the release of the aura can blow up the planets, has considerable AP difference from aura to other of Velgrynd's powers. About the statement about "worlds" that Veldanava created, the interpretation I had is that it jumped to other universes where it had such a weak concentration of magic that it could destroy the planet she was on, for me, that's the safest thought, so I agree with the Community, I don't think V17 is enough to be 2-C for now, but it will take a few years for the volume to be translated yet so let's not focus too much on that

Agreed

 

[Diablo_]

I can't deny that so I will agree, Zegion has the high intrinsic resistance of its insect race and the primordials even without ultimate skills already have demonic skills that are comparable, while Benimaru's race doesn't give him any benefit but honestly I'm curious, I believe he will deal with Jahil later

Probably fuse is planning to make the trio stronger than Benimaru hence all those nerfs .I heard some fans say stuffs like "How can a mere ogre surpass the Primordial Demons " Well they forget that even a Slime surpassed the God in WN .

 

[Peak]

Gravity collapse can't destroy planet .It can only destroy the Great Jura Forest .The one that can potentially destroy the whole planet is "Abyss Annhilation" .

I think true dragons' aura can destroy planets .And I believe Full Aura≠Full power .Well even if they're universes It will only scale to 3-A .To get tier 2-C they would need to destroy the entire spacetime continuum of those universes which they can't .(There's no proof of it )

I don't understand where they got 2-C from, but honestly, I'll be happy if Tensura characters pick up immeasurable speed, I don't think AP is very relevant with the amount of hax that ignore durability

 

[Peak]

Probably fuse is planning to make the trio stronger than Benimaru hence all those nerfs .I heard some fans say stuffs like "How can a mere ogre surpass the Primordial Demons " Well they forget that even a Slime surpassed the God in WN .

fans are not aware of the story they are seeing, a slime being God, a human using all the powers of the verse, a primordial being more powerful than all true dragons, even seeing crazy things like this they are surprised with a race like the onis overcoming primordial it's at least funny

 

[JV_DLS]

the aura release is not more powerful than a high scale magic release, for example, Velgrynd can destroy the cardinal world planet with gravity collapse, but it cannot destroy by releasing the aura, already in the weak worlds, it is so little magic that even the release of the aura can blow up the planets, has considerable AP difference from aura to other of Velgrynd's powers. About the statement about "worlds" that Veldanava created, the interpretation I had is that it jumped to other universes where it had such a weak concentration of magic that it could destroy the planet she was on, for me, that's the safest thought, so I agree with the Community, I don't think V17 is enough to be 2-C for now, but it will take a few years for the volume to be translated yet so let's not focus too much on that

I understand your point, but I think it would still be possible since Velgrynd referred to these worlds as "lower worlds", it remains to be seen how "lower" they are, if it's lack of mana or something like dimensionality or something, and in the V17 she was using "worlds" to refer to universes, it would be confusing to say the least for her to start referring to planets like that out of the blue, it's always a problem when the author doesn't specify what it is . but I liked the explanation it was very good and for me it is valid, but as you said let's wait for the translation

 

[Peak]

I understand your point, but I think it would still be possible since Velgrynd referred to these worlds as "lower worlds", it remains to be seen how "lower" they are, if it's lack of mana or something like dimensionality or something, and in the V17 she was using "worlds" to refer to universes, it would be confusing to say the least for her to start referring to planets like that out of the blue, it's always a problem when the author doesn't specify what it is . but I liked the explanation it was very good and for me it is valid, but as you said let's wait for the translation

thanks for the compliments, for now it doesn't seem to involve dimensionality, nether worlds were said to be the ones that have little or no magic and and also with laws that are easier to circumvent, although I cannot confirm this final statement, but I think worlds like the Palacio de Veldanava and the world where Ivarage was can be given the context of transcending each other, but that depends on Fuse

 

[JV_DLS]

thanks for the compliments, for now it doesn't seem to involve dimensionality, nether worlds were said to be the ones that have little or no magic and and also with laws that are easier to circumvent, although I cannot confirm this final statement, but I think worlds like the Palacio de Veldanava and the world where Ivarage was can be given the context of transcending each other, but that depends on Fuse

Yes, the problem is that the fuse doesn't seem to care much about cosmology, the closest explanation we have was in v17, even when Velgrynd mentioned the "many worlds that Veldanava created", "worlds beyond space-time" and the " spaces between the worlds". But I cannot confirm whether these statements are correct. Speaking of sincerity, what level do you think slime can reach?

 

[Diablo_]

Yes, the problem is that the fuse doesn't seem to care much about cosmology, the closest explanation we have was in v17, even when Velgrynd mentioned the "many worlds that Veldanava created", "worlds beyond space-time" and the " spaces between the worlds". But I cannot confirm whether these statements are correct. Speaking of sincerity, what level do you think slime can reach?

2-A to Low 1-C at best .Judging by the cosmology fuse doesn't plan to make him 1-A or tier-0 like some people think .(Promised dreamland and other theories have lots of holes in them

The Low tier characters are getting buffs while mid tiers or High-mids are getting merged like speed nerf ,Time stop nerf etc .
For example : now even Treyni-san can cut through dimension /space .But in WN only a few were capable of this feat .Ifrit,Clayman etc got durability negation etc .

The demon lord class characters got nerfed as they can no longer move in a suspended world (Although it's a bit different from time stop ) and their speed can't surpass SOL .

Edit: Unless fuse suddenly changes cosmology or it gets explained in other way

 

[JV_DLS]

2-A to Low 1-C at best .Judging by the cosmology fuse doesn't plan to make him 1-A or tier-0 like some people think .(Promised dreamland and other theories have lots of holes in them

The Low tier characters are getting buffs while mid tiers or High-mids are getting merged like speed nerf ,Time stop nerf etc .
For example : now even Treyni-san can cut through dimension /space .But in WN only a few were capable of this feat .Ifrit,Clayman etc got durability negation etc .

The demon lord class characters got nerfed as they can no longer move in a suspended world (Although it's a bit different from time stop ) and their speed can't surpass SOL .

Edit: Unless fuse suddenly changes cosmology or it gets explained in other way

I still hope for 1-B with Veldanava's palace, the dimension where Ivaraj is, the spaces between the worlds or the promised land. I think it's very feasible that Slime could have something like Infinite Dimensions

 

[JV_DLS]

The problem is that Fuse usually only level up some characters like Guy, Chloe, Milim, Rimuru etc. That's why I wanted 2-C because with it these characters would receive higher levels since they are comparable to 2-C characters, apart from that now the new peak of power is the digital beings for having a probable immeasurable speed, a probable transduality and a great manipulation of information that in Slime is the basis of everything, from skills to concepts or reality itself. Honestly, what I hope is that at least all true demon lords, as well as patrons and main antagonists, become digital beings.

 

[LoganKroos]

I would say that slime has a chance of being tier 1, because fuse is focusing on the laws of physics and mathematics, and everything in slime has a scientific explanation behind it, as all worlds have different physical laws, but everything is connected by magic, and since slime has already reached the top of tier 2 in volume 19, and there's still a lot of history ahead, I would say yes, the chance of tension moving to tier 1 is high

 

[091Franky]

Lol don't expect anything higher than tier 2 and on this wiki you need solid evidence to qualify for low 1C and fuse doesn't give a **** about explanation. Promised land, Spirit world was introduced in early volume but are still unexplained

 

[Sniper670]

Lol don't expect anything higher than tier and on this wiki you need solid evidence to qualify for low 1C and fuse doesn't give a **** about explanation. Promised land, Spirit world was introduced in early volume but are still unexplained

Well, ofc. Fuse is not writing this story to be used for vsbw.

If he doesn't intend any increase in tier beyond the WN, then that's that

 

[Peak]

Yes, the problem is that the fuse doesn't seem to care much about cosmology, the closest explanation we have was in v17, even when Velgrynd mentioned the "many worlds that Veldanava created", "worlds beyond space-time" and the " spaces between the worlds". But I cannot confirm whether these statements are correct. Speaking of sincerity, what level do you think slime can reach?

being honest, I still think it's going to be 2-B

 

[Peak]

2-A to Low 1-C at best .Judging by the cosmology fuse doesn't plan to make him 1-A or tier-0 like some people think .(Promised dreamland and other theories have lots of holes in them

The Low tier characters are getting buffs while mid tiers or High-mids are getting merged like speed nerf ,Time stop nerf etc .
For example : now even Treyni-san can cut through dimension /space .But in WN only a few were capable of this feat .Ifrit,Clayman etc got durability negation etc .

The demon lord class characters got nerfed as they can no longer move in a suspended world (Although it's a bit different from time stop ) and their speed can't surpass SOL .

Edit: Unless fuse suddenly changes cosmology or it gets explained in other way

The speed nerf was already justified in vol19 so I'm satisfied, it was to introduce the absurd speed of digital lifeform, other characters should reach this same level, but for me even 2-A is a shot in the foot

 

[LoganKroos]

being honest, I still think it's going to be 2-B

it can be anything, but in the end you have to wait and see, I'm more anxious for volume 20 and the movie that will come out than the official translations to climb, I hope it gets tier 1, since it has a lot of potential, but if it doesn't get it the series is just as good

 

[Peak]

I think instead I'm worried about whether Fuse will be able to deliver a good ending to the story, honestly, what do you guys think of the current arc? I was enjoying it until I saw how easily Michael was defeated, which disappointed me in a way, the last time I felt a sense of danger in Tensura was in vol15

 

[LoganKroos]

I think instead I'm worried about whether Fuse will be able to deliver a good ending to the story, honestly, what do you guys think of the current arc? I was enjoying it until I saw how easily Michael was defeated, which disappointed me in a way, the last time I felt a sense of danger in Tensura was in vol15

I thought it was a waste of character, but it only served to expand the power of the verse, I think several characters will unlock the suspended world, since the strongest characters in the suspended world are already evolving their skills to another level

 

[Metalballrun]

I think instead I'm worried about whether Fuse will be able to deliver a good ending to the story, honestly, what do you guys think of the current arc? I was enjoying it until I saw how easily Michael was defeated, which disappointed me in a way, the last time I felt a sense of danger in Tensura was in vol15

Fuse claims to have a better final villain than Michael in mind, so we'll see. Just keep your expectations low.

 

[Diablo_]

I think instead I'm worried about whether Fuse will be able to deliver a good ending to the story, honestly, what do you guys think of the current arc? I was enjoying it until I saw how easily Michael was defeated, which disappointed me in a way, the last time I felt a sense of danger in Tensura was in vol15

Yeah it feels boring when a villain is easily defeated .Clayman is a perfect example .I know Rimuru was way too OP at that time but they could at least give him some respect(For example at least being able to put up a fight against Shion at the very least ) .Even Orc disaster Geld felt way more terrifying than him .

 

[Peak]

Fuse claims to have a better final villain than Michael in mind, so we'll see. Just keep your expectations low.

this villain must be either Feldway or Ivarage but I'll take your advice and not expect too much, I think the best and best written Tensura antagonists were Granbell and Rudra, although even so, everything always works out for Rimuru in the end, I'm a big fan of Tensura, but I consider that everything always works out in the end a defect of the story

 

[Peak]

Yeah it feels boring when a villain is easily defeated .Clayman is a perfect example .I know Rimuru was way too OP at that time but they could at least give him some respect(For example at least being able to put up a fight against Shion at the very least ) .Even Orc disaster Geld felt way more terrifying than him .

Clayman is a really good example, instead walpurgis gets more attention because of Veldora and Milim than Clayman, I've come to the conclusion that I'd rather see Rimuru roaming the nations in everyday scenes than in a war that ends in a one-sided massacre.

 

[LoganKroos]

this becomes a problem of overly powerful verses like Tensura, rimuru can literally revive the dead as if he were god, needs to have a way to not make things so easy to resolve and really give a sense of imminent danger, the best example of a super powerful verse that gives tension is Dies Irae, the verse enters the top 3 strongest of easy fiction, and even so it makes you tense because of irreversible laws like the law that cancels the reincarnation of Hajun for example, I think with fedway and Ivaraj can finally give this tension and the fear of death, I hope so

 

[Peak]

this becomes a problem of overly powerful verses like Tensura, rimuru can literally revive the dead as if he were god, needs to have a way to not make things so easy to resolve and really give a sense of imminent danger, the best example of a super powerful verse that gives tension is Dies Irae, the verse enters the top 3 strongest of easy fiction, and even so it makes you tense because of irreversible laws like the law that cancels the reincarnation of Hajun for example, I think with fedway and Ivaraj can finally give this tension and the fear of death, I hope so

Rimuru cannot revive someone whose soul is destroyed, I think only Ramiris' labyrinth has that level of resurrection, the problem is also not in the strength of the enemies, because currently they are evenly matched, since vol15 the enemies are being comparable at least, but the situations turn out to be very convenient to Rimuru's side, I also hope this changes a bit with Ivarage and Feldway. Unfortunately I've never read Dies Irae, but from what you describe, it sounds interesting

 

[JV_DLS]

being honest, I still think it's going to be 2-B

as it is, I don't think it goes beyond level 2 either, but I have some hope that it can go all the way to 1-C or 1-B. But honestly for me if it's just 2-A it's already a good size, as long as Fuse has better skills and things like Acas 5, transduality, immeasurable speed, some Hax negations among other things, but mostly talking more about Turn Null because the idea was to be a pure void and not an energy, I wanted enough explanation to be considered a NEP 2

 

[Peak]

as it is, I don't think it goes beyond level 2 either, but I have some hope that it can go all the way to 1-C or 1-B. But honestly for me if it's just 2-A it's already a good size, as long as Fuse has better skills and things like Acas 5, transduality, immeasurable speed, some Hax negations among other things, but mostly talking more about Turn Null because the idea was to be a pure void and not an energy, I wanted enough explanation to be considered a NEP 2

I think it's better to forget about turn null being pure void, as it has been said that it is energy and has absorption power, like when it was used against Feldway in Leon castle, transduality I don't know where it could have