Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Peak]

was re-reading Ingracia's battle from volume 19, and it seems that there is still a chance that 'Digital Lifeforms' are not immeasurable, or at least not all, as the beings summoned by Masayuki/Rudra didn't squander the "fixed top speed" that Rimuru had commented on

The Granbell here was nothing more than a fictional entity with an actual body. In fact, the sword he had just given to Hinata had also been recreated held in his hand.


The ability to summon past champions in the form of entities of the same nature as ‘Digital Lifeforms.’ This was the essence of the Ultimate Skill ‘King of Heroes’ that Masayuki had awakened.

 

[Peak]

only the possibility that the tense worlds are not universes but multiverses, because in the game it says that there are infinite possibilities or timelines with each one being a different universe, and as there are different space-times, there can be several multiverses

Do you have scans on this? I think the game's feats can be used in some way

 

[LoganKroos]

was re-reading Ingracia's battle from volume 19, and it seems that there is still a chance that 'Digital Lifeforms' are not immeasurable, or at least not all, as the beings summoned by Masayuki/Rudra didn't squander the "fixed top speed" that Rimuru had commented on

it is described that he is a fictional entity with a real body, and yet he didn't know or didn't use all the extents of his power, besides that digital beings can choose to be seen or not by beings that are not of the same nature

 

[LoganKroos]

Do you have scans on this? I think the game's feats can be used in some way

they can be used, and no, I don't have scans, I just know where to look it's the villain skill that was presented in the game that has the power of mirrors, which is literally seeing alternate timelines of that same world and bringing them back for the real world, the evil Rimuru is an alternate timeline for example

 

[Peak]

it is described that he is a fictional entity with a real body, and yet he didn't know or didn't use all the extents of his power, besides that digital beings can choose to be seen or not by beings that are not of the same nature

in this case that would all be speculation, right? Since everyone seems to see digital lifeform and there was nothing saying they didn't know about the extent of their power

 

[Zegion]

was re-reading Ingracia's battle from volume 19, and it seems that there is still a chance that 'Digital Lifeforms' are not immeasurable, or at least not all, as the beings summoned by Masayuki/Rudra didn't squander the "fixed top speed" that Rimuru had commented on

Doesn't it also say that they are the same nature as digital beings but not exactly digital beings?

 

[Zegion]

only the possibility that the tense worlds are not universes but multiverses, because in the game it says that there are infinite possibilities or timelines with each one being a different universe, and as there are different space-times, there can be several multiverses

Do u have the scans for this?

 

[LoganKroos]

they can be used, and no, I don't have scans, I just know where to look it's the villain skill that was presented in the game that has the power of mirrors, which is literally seeing alternate timelines of that same world and bringing them back for the real world, the evil Rimuru is an alternate timeline for example

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[Peak]

Doesn't it also say that they are the same nature as digital beings but not exactly digital beings?

it wasn't said clearly, but it could be too, maybe it was just a comparison about both being an abstraction, because both are called entities. Mainly because the bodies used by the 'fictitious entities' are given by the power of Velgrynd, which is not a digital life form, this is kind of confusing to me, m but I think that's what Fuse tried to convey.

Now, Masayuki’s ego as Rudra had become more apparent.


And Rudra was able to use Velgrynd’s powers as his own.


Using Velgrynd’s ‘Parallel Existence’ as a basis, Rudra did the insane thing of giving temporary bodies to the champions summoned by ‘Hero’s Beacon.’


Granbell’s new mythical-grade long sword was also created by borrowing Velgrynd’s power.

 

[Tempestdragon6]

VELDORA ATTACK AT THE GAME

 

[Diablo_]

WN characters got massive buff in tier (3-A) .I didn't notice !

 

[LoganKroos]

WN characters got massive buff in tier (3-A) .I didn't notice !

I didn't even realize I had updated, now even Rimuru's subordinates from the web step on half of the known anime lol, only with passives the shounens are already gone lmao

 

[Diablo_]

I didn't even realize I had updated, now even Rimuru's subordinates from the web step on half of the known anime lol, only with passives the shounens are already gone lmao

I am gathering information to scale Carrera,Tetsarossa and Ultima to 3-A .
Diablo said He had 60% chance against both kondou and Damrada at the same time they should be comparable to Diablo (3-A) .Since test a and carrera dueled Kondou and Dmarada in 1v1 they should also be 3-A

 

[LoganKroos]

I am gathering information to scale Carrera,Tetsarossa and Ultima to 3-A .
Diablo said He had 60% chance against both kondou and Damrada at the same time they should be comparable to Diablo (3-A) .Since test a and carrera dueled Kondou and Dmarada in 1v1 they should also be 3-A

I thought so too, but I realized that in the slime tier it doesn't matter unless it's higher dimensional, as slime's abilities allow them to rewrite the laws of existence, and in general whoever has the most control over their abilities wins, an example is that even Testerossa that doesn't have the same destructive potential as Carrera, would still easily subdue her along with the other Primals (not including Diablo and Guy) easily, since her skill is assassination and not destruction

 

[Diablo_]

I thought so too, but I realized that in the slime tier it doesn't matter unless it's higher dimensional, as slime's abilities allow them to rewrite the laws of existence, and in general whoever has the most control over their abilities wins, an example is that even Testerossa that doesn't have the same destructive potential as Carrera, would still easily subdue her along with the other Primals (not including Diablo and Guy) easily, since her skill is assassination and not destruction

What about Luminous though ?She fought milim for 3 days and 3 nights in Chloe's alternative timeline ?Can that be used to scale Luminous to 3-A ?(Milim thought Luminous had killed Rimuru and went to fight Luminous )

 

[LoganKroos]

What about Luminous though ?She fought milim for 3 days and 3 nights in Chloe's alternative timeline ?Can that be used to scale Luminous to 3-A ?(Milim thought Luminous had killed Rimuru and went to fight Luminous )

Neither, since Ruminas follows the same principle as Testarossa, she is a murderer and not a destroyer like Milim

 

[Peak]

Neither, since Ruminas follows the same principle as Testarossa, she is a murderer and not a destroyer like Milim

think it can be scaled if she withstood Milim's destructive power

 

[Peak]

I went to check out the extra stories in the game, and the power of Chloe, Reverse Fate, appears to be much more than it seems, in one route she was able to make Rimuru go back to being a nothing, and this even affected GS, which is an abstraction, before Rimuru dies, he even says it's like his body disintegrated, and he couldn't use magiculas or any of his other abilities. And for some reason that I don't understand, he watches Rimuru from the past (the one adapted in the anime) handing the mask over to Chloe(in that timeline he hadn't delivered the mask), and the story goes back to its normal course. I found it a bit confusing, but it was probably on purpose, but it's a great feat of Reverse Fate, and the skill It is also resistant to analysis.

 

[Peak]

I think it would really be interesting if a profile was created for the game, but I understand that it's a bit of work

 

[LoganKroos]

I think it would really be interesting if a profile was created for the game, but I understand that it's a bit of work

the game is light novel canon, so you don't need to create your own profile, just show the scans and change it with the approval of an admin

 

[LoganKroos]

I went to check out the extra stories in the game, and the power of Chloe, Reverse Fate, appears to be much more than it seems, in one route she was able to make Rimuru go back to being a nothing, and this even affected GS, which is an abstraction, before Rimuru dies, he even says it's like his body disintegrated, and he couldn't use magiculas or any of his other abilities. And for some reason that I don't understand, he watches Rimuru from the past (the one adapted in the anime) handing the mask over to Chloe(in that timeline he hadn't delivered the mask), and the story goes back to its normal course. I found it a bit confusing, but it was probably on purpose, but it's a great feat of Reverse Fate, and the skill It is also resistant to analysis.

and this feat is more acca type 1, and temporal manipulation, in addition to in the game it is proven that Cloe's mask is infinite and is beyond time and space, but since in volume 19, Cloe will probably have Strength, speed, endurance immeasurable, besides conceptual manipulation, abstract existence, type 5 acc and more being a digital life form, plus her skill evolution at the end of the volume, so it's kind of pointless to add that in my opinion

 

[Peak]

and this feat is more acca type 1, and temporal manipulation, in addition to in the game it is proven that Cloe's mask is infinite and is beyond time and space, but since in volume 19, Cloe will probably have Strength, speed, endurance immeasurable, besides conceptual manipulation, abstract existence, type 5 acc and more being a digital life form, plus her skill evolution at the end of the volume, so it's kind of pointless to add that in my opinion

I have many doubts about type 5 acc, as I haven't found statements about them transcending the laws of cause and effect, and conceptual manipulation can actually be type 2 information manipulation too, strength is not immeasurable because there were still statements of changes in physical abilities between Chloe, Michael and Rimuru. For now, these are my thoughts, now I'm going to check again walpugis from volume 18 to better understand the advantages of an ultimate skill

 

[LoganKroos]

I have many doubts about type 5 acc, as I haven't found statements about them transcending the laws of cause and effect, and conceptual manipulation can actually be type 2 information manipulation too, strength is not immeasurable because there were still statements of changes in physical abilities between Chloe, Michael and Rimuru. For now, these are my thoughts, now I'm going to check again walpugis from volume 18 to better understand the advantages of an ultimate skill

it's not just because it's information manipulation that it's not conceptual manipulation, in slime the laws themselves are information and concepts are made of them, and as information particles are even smaller than electrons to the point of existing and not existing at the same time, this would be tranduality, abstract existence and quantum manipulation, digital beings are basically walking singularities that are beyond mathematics and physics by their very nature, and are beyond the laws of the world to which cause and effect is also described

 

[LoganKroos]

I have many doubts about type 5 acc, as I haven't found statements about them transcending the laws of cause and effect, and conceptual manipulation can actually be type 2 information manipulation too, strength is not immeasurable because there were still statements of changes in physical abilities between Chloe, Michael and Rimuru. For now, these are my thoughts, now I'm going to check again walpugis from volume 18 to better understand the advantages of an ultimate skill

it is not physical force, electrons are stationary and mass is irrelevant, Ciel said that in the stationary world the force you are saying is the individual's ability to manipulate information, and whoever has the best control over it wins, and himself Rimuru states that the way to defend and attack is for you to manipulate the individual's information and not let him manipulate yours

 

[Peak]

it is not physical force, electrons are stationary and mass is irrelevant, Ciel said that in the stationary world the force you are saying is the individual's ability to manipulate information, and whoever has the best control over it wins, and himself Rimuru states that the way to defend and attack is for you to manipulate the individual's information and not let him manipulate yours

I'm going to take a closer look at information particles, many of your quotes I don't remember well

 

[Peak]

I gathered everything I considered relevant about information particles, besides the fact that I was able to manipulate life and death, information particles have mass, it's just very small, it doesn't get to the point where it doesn't exist.

«Negative. Based on current circumstances, it is impossible. Insufficient access to interfere with the smallest physical unit, ‘information particles.’»

Raphael said it could unlock ‘Infinite Prison.’ However, it did not have the authority to interfere with the information locked inside there. So that was a dead end.

Veldora managed to revive himself, but it seemed that he was a special case.

“I get it! Then I’ll transfer the authority to you. The other ‘Chloe’ agreed too. We will have Rimuru do as you wish!”

—Eh?

As I worried about what to do, Chronoa suddenly made an unexpected proposal.

An ‘information particle’ was a substance smaller than even ‘spiritrons,’ and was close to having no mass at all. All matter in the world had to contain ‘information particles.’

Even though they only existed in my ‘Stomach’ and Chronoa’s ‘Infinite Prison,’ these ‘information particles’ could be observed. Raphael seemed to have the ability to manipulate information particles to either combine or abolish Skills.
(Vol11-cap5)

Conversation had been established and the reaction speed of vision was also constant. This was as clear a physical phenomenon as the fact that ‘all things cannot exceed the speed of light.’


In that case, why did the “information particles” exceed the speed of light?


This was not a matter of the speed being exceeded.


It was as if the information particles, which were supposed to be at different coordinates, were transferring information to each other with zero time difference. Regardless of how far they were from each other, as long as the information particles existed in the recognizable space, there was no time difference. In other words, an ‘information particle’ transcended time and space.

(Vol19-cap4)

«If it is a spiritual life form, then they must have transformed all matter into ‘information particles,’ thereby resulting in a Digital Lifeform.»
(Vol19-cap4)

Finally, in volume 19 it is said that information particles transcend time and space, nothing about transcending law, cause or effect.

 

[LoganKroos]

I gathered everything I considered relevant about information particles, besides the fact that I was able to manipulate life and death, information particles have mass, it's just very small, it doesn't get to the point where it doesn't exist.



Finally, in volume 19 it is said that information particles transcend time and space, nothing about transcending law, cause or effect.

read the entire volume, laws and concepts are made of information, and digital beings are beyond worlds that have different laws, concepts and space-time because all worlds stop without exception,
even velgrind couldn't move in the suspended world, and characters that aren't digital can't interact with beings that are digital, even Shion who has the cause and effect ability can't interact with them, and about transduality it really doesn't seem like it fits as shown there at least

 

[Peak]

read the entire volume, laws and concepts are made of information, and digital beings are beyond worlds that have different laws, concepts and space-time because all worlds stop without exception,
even velgrind couldn't move in the suspended world, and characters that aren't digital can't interact with beings that are digital, even Shion who has the cause and effect ability can't interact with them, and about transduality it really doesn't seem like it fits as shown there at least

it is not said that digital beings are beyond concepts and laws, they can only interfere with it by being able to manipulate information particles, and wouldn't all the worlds stop be just a feat of reach?
and digital beings can be affected, proof of this is Rudra, Damrada and Granbell can be affected by beings that are not a digital lifeform, in the suspended world that they cannot be affected by ordinary means, because the concept of attack and defense does not exist, but that changes outside of the suspended world.

 

[LoganKroos]

it is not said that digital beings are beyond concepts and laws, they can only interfere with it by being able to manipulate information particles, and wouldn't all the worlds stop be just a feat of reach?
and digital beings can be affected, proof of this is Rudra, Damrada and Granbell can be affected by beings that are not a digital lifeform, in the suspended world that they cannot be affected by ordinary means, because the concept of attack and defense does not exist, but that changes outside of the suspended world.

just that, they can choose to be touched or not, it depends on their will, and yes it is a feat of reach too, and it is said that they are beyond physics and mathematics, and it is said that the suspended world is beyond the worlds that have laws and concepts of their own, even transcendent worlds are no exception, so they are beyond anything that has been presented so far

 

[Peak]

just that, they can choose to be touched or not, it depends on their will, and yes it is a feat of reach too, and it is said that they are beyond physics and mathematics, and it is said that the suspended world is beyond the worlds that have laws and concepts of their own, even transcendent worlds are no exception, so they are beyond anything that has been presented so far

they can choose to be touched or not, but if they choose not to be touched, they won't be able to interact either, the heroes summoned by Masayuki/Rudra for example couldn't interact until receive a body from Velgrynd's parallel existence.

 

[Peak]

just that, they can choose to be touched or not, it depends on their will, and yes it is a feat of reach too, and it is said that they are beyond physics and mathematics, and it is said that the suspended world is beyond the worlds that have laws and concepts of their own, even transcendent worlds are no exception, so they are beyond anything that has been presented so far

Regarding assimilation with the suspended world, I don't think it can be scaled like that, but I'm no master of scale to say for sure, so let's leave it at that for now.

 

[LoganKroos]

Regarding assimilation with the suspended world, I don't think it can be scaled like that, but I'm no master of scale to say for sure, so let's leave it at that for now.

whether or not they will accept it depends on the translation when it comes out, for now I think it's ok

 

[JV_DLS]

The question of interacting with digital beings would not be through avatars?, like the bodies that Velgrynd made. Although I can't say anything since I don't remember any quote saying that spiritual beings or even digital beings use avatars while their "real bodies" are elsewhere, in Rimuru's case if that was it, his real body would be in space imaginary

 

[Diablo_]

What do you guys think ?Luminous was able to weaken Milim .And can you guys help with Kondou and Damrada scans ?I already posted this one let's wait and see how it goes ...

When Hinata fought the Hero, Ruminas was also in the middle of a fight.

By the order of Clayman, Milim invaded.

Or rather than an order, it was a suggestion.

Clayman’s cajolery was based on the advice from Yuuki that Rimuru’s death was because of Ruminas’s incitement.

Deceived by those words, Milim raged.

With Milim as the opponent, Ruminas was at disadvantage. She would be defeated by Milim after fighting for 3 days and 3 nights.


However Milim can’t be said to have been left unscathed, she would be killed in her weakened state by the awakened HeroChloe under Yuuki’s order.-Chapter 125

 

[Catpija]

I think it would really be interesting if a profile was created for the game, but I understand that it's a bit of work

Weren't there already 2 profiles that based on the game(Dodomeki and Shinsha)?

the game is light novel canon

where does this get confirmed?

 

[Peak]

What do you guys think ?Luminous was able to weaken Milim .And can you guys help with Kondou and Damrada scans ?I already posted this one let's wait and see how it goes ...

When Hinata fought the Hero, Ruminas was also in the middle of a fight.

By the order of Clayman, Milim invaded.

Or rather than an order, it was a suggestion.

Clayman’s cajolery was based on the advice from Yuuki that Rimuru’s death was because of Ruminas’s incitement.

Deceived by those words, Milim raged.

With Milim as the opponent, Ruminas was at disadvantage. She would be defeated by Milim after fighting for 3 days and 3 nights.


However Milim can’t be said to have been left unscathed, she would be killed in her weakened state by the awakened HeroChloe under Yuuki’s order.-Chapter 125

From what you hinted, Luminas would face a Milim weakened by Chloe, right? So I think this can be denied.

 

[Peak]

Weren't there already 2 profiles that based on the game(Dodomeki and Shinsha)?



where does this get confirmed?

the extra stories of the game are written by Fuse himself, so it's possible it's canon, but in other timelines, and I didn't know it had a profile of the games.

 

[Peak]

The question of interacting with digital beings would not be through avatars?, like the bodies that Velgrynd made. Although I can't say anything since I don't remember any quote saying that spiritual beings or even digital beings use avatars while their "real bodies" are elsewhere, in Rimuru's case if that was it, his real body would be in space imaginary

Digital lifeforms are of the same nature as the beings summoned by Masayuki, but they are not necessarily the same, the beings summoned by Masayuki need a body because they are a fiction, the reason I believe it is said that nature is equal is because they too must be made up of information only, but they don't have the same attributes because they wear a spiritual body, therefore, perhaps they even achieve incorporeality. On the other hand, digital beings are spiritual life forms that have transformed their bodies into something constituted only by information, and only those who can manipulate the information particles can affect them, this should give abstract existence type 1, since its existence is equal to one 'Manas' like Chronoa:

Ignoring my concerns, Chloe—Chronoa—their power evolved to Ultimate Skill ‘Spacetime King Yog-Sothoth.’ Moreover, even the discarnate entity Chronoa, which was originally the other personality of Chloe, went through the upgrade to become an information-particle entity called ‘Manas,’ which gave her the authority to manage Skills and ability to switch with Chloe at any time.

Of course, the same comparison goes for any other Manas like Ciel or Michael and the unique and final skills, mind and soul was also something used as a foundation base by Rimuru when the digital life form was first mentioned.

Assuming that the mind and spirit are also information, it’s not impossible.

That's all I could gather, if something is wrong, correct me

 

[Catpija]

the extra stories of the game are written by Fuse himself, so it's possible it's canon, but in other timelines, and I didn't know it had a profile of the games.

well that the problem, the only canon part of the game(extra stories) takes place on another timeline, so it wouldnt scale to any character right now.

 

[Diablo_]

From what you hinted, Luminas would face a Milim weakened by Chloe, right? So I think this can be denied.

No Luminous fought Milim then she was weakened .Chloe killed the weakened Milim that's what it says .Cheek chapter 125