Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Peak]

the high level divinity I said is to be higher than 2M ep, and 1M is enough to be divine, Rimuru himself declared Souei as a

Soei is a deity having 1M EP because he is subordinate of a deity (Benimaru), and Rimuru says it in all words, if you are not subordinate to a deity and have 1M EP, you will not yet be a divine being.

With the exception of Souei who would be treated as a subordinate deity of Benimaru, it seemed that a race would become ‘divine’ once the existence value exceeded 2 million.


I wasn’t sure, but that’s what I thought.


«We still need to collect more examples, but I am pretty sure that’s the case.»

 

[Metalballrun]

Luminous is so very underrated by the fandom. Just because she can't defeat Milim doesn't mean she's weak. You can count on one hand the number of characters that can defeat Milim. The fact that Guy holds Luminous in a very, very high regard and how she's still above Granbell who is still held at high regard as well even in recent events is already telling of how powerful she is, but the fans tend to not care about nuances like that.

Divinity/EP relationship is correlation, not causation. Beings with divinity just happen to have 2 million EP or higher. But that's not a necessarily strict rule, as seen with Souei and Frey. Souei always having Parallel Existence active is also a likely explanation to his low EP reading.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Isn't that a perfect example of what I said? EP or destructive power does not define a slime battle, Rimuru compared Benimaru EP to Luminas, Rimuru compared his own EP to Carrera, Rimuru stated that Benimaru is the 3rd most powerful subordinate, losing to Zegion because of the water element, and to Diablo, both have a lower EP than Carrera, and Testarossa is also superior to her even though she has a much lower EP, see the mess? Attempting to measure by EP or destructive power leaves the overall result inconsistent, but next volume this should be clearer, as Carrera and Luminas will battle.

Well yes, this has always the case. Although I don't know about Testa beating Carrera.

 

[Metalballrun]

Yes Testa's superiority over Carrera and Ultima is no longer a sure thing after they all Awakened.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Yes Testa's superiority over Carrera and Ultima is no longer a sure thing after they all Awakened.

Ayee haven't you or any OGs for a minute.
How are you?
But yeah you know what's up.

 

[Peak]

Luminous is so very underrated by the fandom. Just because she can't defeat Milim doesn't mean she's weak. You can count on one hand the number of characters that can defeat Milim. The fact that Guy holds Luminous in a very, very high regard and how she's still above Granbell who is still held at high regard as well even in recent events is already telling of how powerful she is, but the fans tend to not care about nuances like that.

Divinity/EP relationship is correlation, not causation. Beings with divinity just happen to have 2 million EP or higher. But that's not a necessarily strict rule, as seen with Souei and Frey. Souei always having Parallel Existence active is also a likely explanation to his low EP reading.

thanks for that, I think the same, I think Luminas is very underrated, so I always try to defend her when possible, and the case of EP and divinities was what I said so I agree too

 

[Peak]

Yes Testa's superiority over Carrera and Ultima is no longer a sure thing after they all Awakened.

Well yes, this has always the case. Although I don't know about Testa beating Carrera.

it's too late for me now, but tomorrow I can show you the reasons why I think Testarossa is superior, but in short, it's because she was comparable to Diablo several times and was said to be able to defeat Misery and Rain at the same time, Rain's own statement, a feat she says Diablo and Guy can do as well, she was also the one that worried Velgrynd the most in the battle against the trio, as well as being the smartest and most experienced of the primordial three, and Rimuru once mentioned that for the primordials, experience is worth more than energy, tomorrow I'll bring you the scans if you want.

 

[Metalballrun]

Ayee haven't you or any OGs for a minute.
How are you?
But yeah you know what's up.

Fine, just getting busy again and really lost a lot of interest in the verse in general so I made a big CRT before becoming semi-inactive again.

The next time I make changes would probably months from now again.

 

[Diablo_]

Luminous is so very underrated by the fandom. Just because she can't defeat Milim doesn't mean she's weak. You can count on one hand the number of characters that can defeat Milim. The fact that Guy holds Luminous in a very, very high regard and how she's still above Granbell who is still held at high regard as well even in recent events is already telling of how powerful she is, but the fans tend to not care about nuances like that.

Divinity/EP relationship is correlation, not causation. Beings with divinity just happen to have 2 million EP or higher. But that's not a necessarily strict rule, as seen with Souei and Frey. Souei always having Parallel Existence active is also a likely explanation to his low EP reading.

WN version :Well her WN version is really strong .As she was able to fight Milim (Most likely base but enraged) for 3 days and 3 nights .

The only reason why fandom underestimate her is because her attack didn't have any effect against fused Dagruel(who is also underrated)

LN: She scales to grandbell who is extremely strong .But who does Grandbell scales to ?It's unknown how she would do against other demon Lords .Not saying she's weak but her power is kinda unknown .

Thats why I can't put her above carrera who has many high level feats

 

[Diablo_]

Guy holds karion in a high regard too .That can't be used for scaling .

 

[Peak]

Guy holds karion in a high regard too .That can't be used for scaling .

Guy considered Karion because he believed he would awaken one day, while Luminas had already awakened, and we don't know about Frey and Karion's awakened powers because they didn't show the real skills in the labyrinth, Karion for example came to Zegion with a single power,who is even powerful enough to defeat Benimaru if he let his guard down, but this will also be shown in the next volume as they are also in battle.

 

[Metalballrun]

Carrion is already impressive as is with his 3x AP boost with Beast King and how he managed to go from probably 400k EP to 700K within a few years when Milim trained him.

Luminous is a different matter, she's even considered a perfect lifeform by the Divine Ancestor (although that might just be narcissism on Twilight's part).

 

[Community_Gamer]

Fine, just getting busy again and really lost a lot of interest in the verse in general so I made a big CRT before becoming semi-inactive again.

The next time I make changes would probably months from now again.

I feel you on that. I definitely lose interest in these threads from time to time. Other verses stay more consistent for me. Especially since I read other things

 

[Community_Gamer]

Guy considered Karion because he believed he would awaken one day, while Luminas had already awakened, and we don't know about Frey and Karion's awakened powers because they didn't show the real skills in the labyrinth, Karion for example came to Zegion with a single power,who is even powerful enough to defeat Benimaru if he let his guard down, but this will also be shown in the next volume as they are also in battle.

Karion did show his real skills. They just have divinity, his Beast Roar, and......willpower...cough

Also Zegion just ***** on Benimaru.

 

[Peak]

Karion did show his real skills. They just have divinity, his Beast Roar, and......willpower...cough

Also Zegion just ***** on Benimaru.

Karion and Frey showed their real physical abilities and energy in their respective battles, but they hid the skills and resistances, they probably still have unique skills, but it wasn't even said what they are, Rimuru even says that the only way to know is if they said it or used it in the labyrinth, since then Ciel could analyze and tell what the skills are.

Zegion beats Benimaru by the elemental difference, according to Rimuru.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Now i am 2 volumes behind on Slime, and a new Re Zero volume is out too, and another Arifureta volume coming next week...

Guess i will start with Slime when i get time tomorrow evening.

Still several other series i am even further behind on, really don't have a lot of time these days, though that will change soon.

Anyway will get caught up on Slime, and if i feel like it make a CRT, make no promises since i still need to work on Isekai at Peace (many profiles + multiple CRTS to make).

 

[Catpija]

nice

 

[Peak]

Now i am 2 volumes behind on Slime, and a new Re Zero volume is out too, and another Arifureta volume coming next week...

Guess i will start with Slime when i get time tomorrow evening.

Still several other series i am even further behind on, really don't have a lot of time these days, though that will change soon.

Anyway will get caught up on Slime, and if i feel like it make a CRT, make no promises since i still need to work on Isekai at Peace (many profiles + multiple CRTS to make).

good reading, I have the re:zero novel here to read too, I just need to get the mood for it

 

[Diablo_]

good reading, I have the re:zero novel here to read too, I just need to get the mood for it

I recommend it .No offense but it's better than Slime LN in my opinion (I prefer slime WN writing style which is smooth and not so wordy )

 

[Community_Gamer]

Now i am 2 volumes behind on Slime, and a new Re Zero volume is out too, and another Arifureta volume coming next week...

Guess i will start with Slime when i get time tomorrow evening.

Still several other series i am even further behind on, really don't have a lot of time these days, though that will change soon.

Anyway will get caught up on Slime, and if i feel like it make a CRT, make no promises since i still need to work on Isekai at Peace (many profiles + multiple CRTS to make).

Sup, but wait....Volume 13 is coming out soon? Or are you referring to Zero?

 

[Community_Gamer]

I recommend it .No offense but it's better than Slime LN in my opinion (I prefer slime WN writing style which is smooth and not so wordy )

No offense but I despise the WN. Truly fanfic-like

 

[Community_Gamer]

Karion and Frey showed their real physical abilities and energy in their respective battles, but they hid the skills and resistances, they probably still have unique skills, but it wasn't even said what they are, Rimuru even says that the only way to know is if they said it or used it in the labyrinth, since then Ciel could analyze and tell what the skills are.

Zegion beats Benimaru by the elemental difference, according to Rimuru.

Yeah Rimuru's correct that he has an elemental advantage. But that's not only category Benimaru loses in. Its pretty evident if you compare their performances against Karion.

Karion and Frey didn't have any skill evolutions and their gained skill are standard Harvest Festival. But anyway my point has been made

 

[Diablo_]

Yeah Rimuru's correct that he has an elemental advantage. But that's not only category Benimaru loses in. Its pretty evident if you compare their performances against Karion.

Karion and Frey didn't have any skill evolutions and their gained skill are standard Harvest Festival. But anyway my point has been made

Rimuru kinda overestimates Benimaru a bit .Pretty sure if Zegion fought seriously it would be a stomp .Even if Zegion didn't have element advantage he would still stomp benimaru .(At least that's how I think it should be ....feat and ability wise )

About WN ...I only like the writing style not the story .I mean LN is of course way better but the writing is kinda wordy ....

 

[Tempestdragon6]

guys the official translation of volume 14 is here is there gonna be upgrades for verse ??

 

[Lesser_Goddess_Alexia]

guys the official translation of volume 14 is here is there gonna be upgrades for verse ??

Abstract Existence Type 2 for Demon, Spirit, and Angel. They are referred to as the embodiment of the laws that govern the world. Rimuru would get it too since he devoured Ifrit and Demons.

Elemental spirits like Ifrit are bound by these physical laws… Or to put it another way, they’re the embodiments of the laws governing the world, and apparently there are eight types of these embodiments. The light and dark attributes are somewhat special, with light being derived from angels—and darkness from demons. The angels and demons I know of so far could be called elemental spirits, technically, if you trace their roots. Someone like Diablo could tell me more if I asked, but I’m not that interested, and it’s not like I could do much with the knowledge anyway.

Or maybe this could apply to all Spiritual Lifeforms, but for this I don't know.

 

[Lesser_Goddess_Alexia]

Abstract Existence Type 2 for Demon, Spirit, and Angel. They are referred to as the embodiment of the laws that govern the world. Rimuru would get it too since he devoured Ifrit and Demons.

Or maybe this could apply to all Spiritual Lifeforms, but for this I don't know.

Regarding the official translation, there is a part of the translation that seems to be missing.

It's about the attributes that are the laws that govern the world and there are 8 attributes that refer to Great Spirits.

Official TL :

Both True Dragons and chaos elementals could take the form of various attributes, with “flame” being an upgraded version of “fire.”
The natural family of elements consists of earth, water, fire, wind, and space—the five major attributes, as they’re called. The rule of thumb is that fire beats earth, water beats fire, wind beats water, space beats wind, and earth beats space. Picture it as fire scorching earth, water extinguishing fire, wind scattering water, space blockading wind, and earth occupying space, and there you have the conflicts in a nutshell.
In addition to these five major attributes, you also have the two opposing attributes of light and darkness—as well as “time,” which exists over all the other ones and cannot be restrained by any of them.
Elemental spirits like Ifrit are bound by these physical laws… Or to put it another way, they’re the embodiments of the laws governing the world, and apparently there are eight types of these embodiments. The light and dark attributes are somewhat special, with light being derived from angels—and darkness from demons. The angels and demons I know of so far could be called elemental spirits, technically, if you trace their roots. Someone like Diablo could tell me more if I asked, but I’m not that interested, and it’s not like I could do much with the knowledge anyway.

Raw :

属性というのはこの世の原理となる法則で、全部で八種類ある。
自然属性の〝地・水・火・風〟と、〝空間〟属性。これがいわゆる五大属性だな。
地より火、火より水、水より風、風より空、空より地が強いとされている。
大地は炎で焼き尽くされ、火は水によって勢いを消し、水は風によって散らされて、風は空間によって隔離され、空間は大地によってのみ指標を得る。そんな感じで、五大属性は相克の関係にある訳だ。
この五大属性に加えて、〝光〟と〝闇〟という背反する属性があり、何者にも囚われない〝時〟属性が全ての属性の上に君臨しているとされていた。
炎の巨人のような精霊も、こうした物理法則に縛られている。というか、この世の法則の具現化した存在が精霊であり、八属性いるっぽい。
〝光〟と〝闇〟は特殊で、光は天使、闇は悪魔、に派生するみたいだね。今確認されている天使族や悪魔族も、大本を辿っていけば精霊と呼べなくもない感じに思える。
ディアブロとかに聞けば詳しく教えてくれそうだけど、それを知ったところで意味はないし、特に興味もない。

DeepL :

Attributes are the laws that govern this world, and there are eight in total.
There are the natural attributes of earth, water, fire, and wind, and the attribute of space. These are the so-called five major attributes.
Fire is stronger than earth, water is stronger than fire, wind is stronger than water, air is stronger than wind, and earth is stronger than air.
The earth is consumed by fire, fire is extinguished by water, water is dissipated by wind, wind is isolated by space, and space is indexed only by the earth. Such is the reason why the five major attributes are in a relationship of conflict.
In addition to these five attributes, there are two opposing attributes, "light" and "darkness," and the attribute of "time," which is not bound by anything, is said to reign over all attributes. It is said that the "Time" attribute, which is not held by anything, reigns over all attributes.
Spirits like the Flaming Giant are also bound by these physical laws. Or rather, spirits are the embodiment of the laws of this world, and they seem to have eight attributes.
Light" and "darkness" are special, and it seems that light is derived from angels and darkness from demons. It seems that the angelic and demonic tribes that have been confirmed now can also be called spirits if we trace them back to their roots.
I guess if you ask Diablo or someone like him, he might be able to tell you more about them, but I'm not particularly interested in learning about them.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Rimuru kinda overestimates Benimaru a bit .Pretty sure if Zegion fought seriously it would be a stomp .Even if Zegion didn't have element advantage he would still stomp benimaru .(At least that's how I think it should be ....feat and ability wise )

Agreed, no chance..

About WN ...I only like the writing style not the story .I mean LN is of course way better but the writing is kinda wordy ....

I see

 

[Peak]

I recommend it .No offense but it's better than Slime LN in my opinion (I prefer slime WN writing style which is smooth and not so wordy )

did not offend, I have great respect for Re:zero, I plan to read both after I finish reading Classroom of the elite.

 

[Peak]

No offense but I despise the WN. Truly fanfic-like

I also despise the WN script, I find LN much more satisfying to read

 

[Peak]

Yeah Rimuru's correct that he has an elemental advantage. But that's not only category Benimaru loses in. Its pretty evident if you compare their performances against Karion.

Karion and Frey didn't have any skill evolutions and their gained skill are standard Harvest Festival. But anyway my point has been made

Rimuru kinda overestimates Benimaru a bit .Pretty sure if Zegion fought seriously it would be a stomp .Even if Zegion didn't have element advantage he would still stomp benimaru .(At least that's how I think it should be ....feat and ability wise )

About WN ...I only like the writing style not the story .I mean LN is of course way better but the writing is kinda wordy ....

I slightly disagree, Benimaru almost loses against Karion for being too proud and underestimating Karion, then he has a conversation with Rimuru and says that he will stop this pride in future battles, that is, he doesn't even have that weakness anymore, Zegion didn't have that weakness from the start so it was a stomp

 

[Peak]

guys the official translation of volume 14 is here is there gonna be upgrades for verse ??

Where can I find the translation? I only found it until vol 13

 

[JV_DLS]

for me Vol 14 is at 60% and Vol 15 is at 99%. By the way which Vol needs to be translated to be able to make the possible upgrade CTR from Rimuru to 2-C?

 

[Lesser_Goddess_Alexia]

for me Vol 14 is at 60% and Vol 15 is at 99%. By the way which Vol needs to be translated to be able to make the possible upgrade CTR from Rimuru to 2-C?

Volume 17

 

[Diablo_]

Where can I find the translation? I only found it until vol 13

There's a website called novelsonline you can read volume 14-15 there

 

[Community_Gamer]

I slightly disagree, Benimaru almost loses against Karion for being too proud and underestimating Karion, then he has a conversation with Rimuru and says that he will stop this pride in future battles, that is, he doesn't even have that weakness anymore, Zegion didn't have that weakness from the start so it was a stomp

Benimaru has never acted like that in fights nor Kumara especially since she was trained Hakuro and Hinata and has a formal education. On top of being around 300 years old. Chapter 2 of V18 was a very sour taste in my mouth with how Fuse wrote these characters.

As for Karion, its willpower combined with Beast Roar that's the issue. Benimaru only avoided due to Heat Haze which makes him intangible. He himself admitted that he doesn't think that work a second time. Honestly I found the entire thing contrived to make old characters relevant but in a more abstract way. Obviously Karion has far more experience but the quality of his experience doesn't really compare to Benimaru.

Its whatever I'm over at this point.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Volume 17

Please don't. I will cry. Wait for more concrete scaling.

 

[JV_DLS]

Please don't. I will cry. Wait for more concrete scaling.

what you mean to say? refers to waiting for translation? or do you think that only the translation of Vol 17 is not enough for 2-C?

 

[Catpija]

Please don't. I will cry. Wait for more concrete scaling.

wait until this guy heard about rainheart

 

[Peak]

There's a website called novelsonline you can read volume 14-15 there

I read there actually, what I'm asking is where is the official translation of volume 14 that were using the scans above.

 

[Peak]

Benimaru has never acted like that in fights nor Kumara especially since she was trained Hakuro and Hinata and has a formal education. On top of being around 300 years old. Chapter 2 of V18 was a very sour taste in my mouth with how Fuse wrote these characters.

As for Karion, its willpower combined with Beast Roar that's the issue. Benimaru only avoided due to Heat Haze which makes him intangible. He himself admitted that he doesn't think that work a second time. Honestly I found the entire thing contrived to make old characters relevant but in a more abstract way. Obviously Karion has far more experience but the quality of his experience doesn't really compare to Benimaru.

Its whatever I'm over at this point.

I can't deny that, I also thought it was incoherent for someone like Benimaru to underestimate the opponent, but there's not much to do, it was the way Fuse found to boost Karion's morale without discrediting Benimaru, though Benimaru never became that unnaturally powerful so it's not that hard to imagine he was overconfident.