Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[LoganKroos]

Are you perhaps referring to this ?


" The world is protected by God.

If we want to destroy the world, we have to face many obstacles" -Zalario

"Standing there is the tree of God that has been standing on this land since time immemorial.

The tree, rooted in the earth and responsible for protecting the planet from all kinds of natural disasters, was still standing strong, even though it was exposed to the flames of Jahil.

It is the tree that once protected the land from the damage caused by the war between Milim and Guy."

yes, that's one of the pinnacles, the other one is where Fedway sent rimuru to the end of the world there

 

[LoganKroos]

about the durability of materials is in the volumes of the labyrinth

 

[Diablo_]

the cardinal world has a lot more spells so everything is tougher, even if you destroy a universe, you wouldn't be able to destroy even a planet in the cardinal world, Milim being able to destroy the stars in this world only proves your strength even more, which happens is that the cardinal planet is not protected by magic, but by the direct influence of the Veldanava, so it is impossible to destroy it without the correct authorization, to destroy the world it is necessary to destroy the 2 pinnacles of the world, and the only ones that can destroy them It's Milim, Velzard, Rimuru, Guy, Fedway, Rudra etc

sounds like an extreme wank .Well I have similar idea but I want something like this to be confirmed first There are good number anti feats too .

 

[Diablo_]

yes, that's one of the pinnacles, the other one is where Fedway sent rimuru to the end of the world there

Hmm the other one is heavenly tower or whatever in holy void damargania,

Well after re reading a bit I think the relics have been emphasized a lot .
So yes The worlds could really be universe .
Heavens tower was prolly mentioned thrice
And The scared tree around 6-7 times

 

[LoganKroos]

sounds like an extreme wank .Well I have similar idea but I want something like this to be confirmed first There are good number anti feats too .

so far it's the most likely and I don't see how saying that the top tiers of slime are 3A is considered an exaggeration, it would be an exaggeration to put them as 5d etc, but universal for me is more than normal, but you have to confirm first, I think it's the best chance for Cosmology to be explained is now when rimuru probably went to that transcendent world that Velgrind went to

 

[LoganKroos]

but leaving that aside one thing i really want to see is the young form of adalman, he was described as very handsome besides himself emphasizing that he is very good at hand to hand combat and said confidently that in that state he would only lose in the fight hand against the 3 anomalies of rimuru, Zegion, Diablo and Benimaru

 

[JV_DLS]

so far it's the most likely and I don't see how saying that the top tiers of slime are 3A is considered an exaggeration, it would be an exaggeration to put them as 5d etc, but universal for me is more than normal, but you have to confirm first, I think it's the best chance for Cosmology to be explained is now when rimuru probably went to that transcendent world that Velgrind went to

I wouldn't say 5D is an exaggeration, it's more unlikely as Fuse doesn't seem to want to come back to this subject, but we can still have the explanations of places like the end of time, Veldanava's palace, the spaces between the worlds and the earth promised. But I think if Fuse is going to do something like an overworld, he will either do it at the end of the story or after the main story, and I also think the top tiers of Slime are Universal.

 

[LoganKroos]

I wouldn't say 5D is an exaggeration, it's more unlikely as Fuse doesn't seem to want to come back to this subject, but we can still have the explanations of places like the end of time, Veldanava's palace, the spaces between the worlds and the earth promised. But I think if Fuse is going to do something like an overworld, he will either do it at the end of the story or after the main story, and I also think the top tiers of Slime are Universal.

what is most likely to be transcendence is the palace of veldanava which is at the top of the world and can only be accessed with a key, but I don't really care about that, the story is very good, but no tier for slime is an exaggeration since the back is very complex, just fuse to put a higher plane of existence in one of these parts and gg

 

[Peak]

I'm just reading Vol 20, I'm at the part where Rimuru decides to deal with Milim, what surprises me is that sometimes it's said that the world will be destroyed and sometimes he just says planet, I wonder if with "world" he whether to say universe or not, because it is even evident when he differentiates the two

No that's not what he was asking .
Is the Term "World" universe or just the planet ?I think considering the fact that how difficult it is just to destroy the planet there's 0% chance of World being planet .

That would make Diablo ,Ultima and Gadra 3-A (Nihilistic hazard/parade).Sounds absurd considering stellar fats from the absolute top tiers were treated as really special .

yes exactly because just before this is mentioned it is casually mentioned that Milim could destroy stars, I don't understand why they would continue to emphasize planet destruction in that case

I don't understand what you didn't understand about it, "world" in all contexts referring to destruction in this volume was related to planet, "because they care about destroying the planet if they can destroy stars" obviously it's because the answer is because they live and protect the planet and not just any star, in fact, everything in this volume proved the consistency of the maximum level of Tensura being star level, Fuse even made a point of introducing a particle called a 'stellar particle' in this volume.

I'd be fine theorizing about being 3-A with the "weak worlds" but 3-A in the cardinal world is out of the question

 

[Peak]

And by the way, the consistency with them being star level has only increased in this volume, Carrera says you have to be careful with Zelanus' wings that could warp a star, as a universal being would have the strength of a star? The story doesn't stay consistent when you put them above that

 

[LoganKroos]

And by the way, the consistency with them being star level has only increased in this volume, Carrera says you have to be careful with Zelanus' wings that could warp a star, as a universal being would have the strength of a star? The story doesn't stay consistent when you put them above that

the stars are not directly protected by Veldanava so it makes sense, but anyway it's still very confusing, I think my explanation is the most correct despite not being fully proven

 

[Diablo_]

the stars are not directly protected by Veldanava so it makes sense, but anyway it's still very confusing, I think my explanation is the most correct despite not being fully proven

Nah there's more anti feats.regarding cardinal world Just lazy to search the scan but it was in vol&20 regarding carrera

 

[Peak]

it is impossible to destroy the planet or the universe as long as the two pinnacles of the world exist, you need to destroy them first with the power of administration, and then destroy the world, I said this before in my theory, that each universe and planet had its respective law like this as users of ultimate abilities and the stronger law prevails over the weaker, and as the cardinal world was created using god's law, it is impossible to destroy it, this theory has been proven correct in this volume.

not necessarily, it is true that the planet of the cardinal world is resistant, but destruction is possible if they do not use barriers to protect the world, but from what it hinted, even if it is destroyed, the Veldanava system will restructure, something like that

 

[Peak]

the stars are not directly protected by Veldanava so it makes sense, but anyway it's still very confusing, I think my explanation is the most correct despite not being fully proven

yes, the point is that the planet has the Veldanava system rebuilding everything and even ruptures in space-time, the divine tree and the influence of beings like Ramiris for example, that we don't know how, but it has some influence in protecting the planet, and of course, all godtiers fight just thinking about protecting the planet, that's where they live, so there's no reason for them to be more careful with a star, that's why Zelanus and Milim, as well as Guy and others (most) of the godtiers fight with barriers for the planet not to be affected, so again i just think of weak worlds being able to give something like 3-a but i doubt we have more info on that because Fuse doesn't seem to want to go back on that subject

 

[Peak]

I actually started to think that even 3-A using weak worlds is something difficult as we don't know what they are weakest in, or I don't remember, but anyway, i find it difficult because this weak world may be smaller in size and may not be universal size, just like the palace connects all worlds and has no universal size, that's even considering it's a separate space-time, so there would have to be something confirming that it's something like a universe really

 

[Community_Gamer]

Yes, the anime is really bad, but I decided to start reading and I realized the value of the story, especially from volume 3/4 onwards everything was very good, now I'm on volume 9 so it's not long to finish the 1st year

There was a time I wanted to read mushoku because they hadn't announced it yet, but it's hard to get the time

I got you. Also Y2 goes crazy

 

[Community_Gamer]

yes exactly because just before this is mentioned it is casually mentioned that Milim could destroy stars, I don't understand why they would continue to emphasize planet destruction in that case

Because thats where they live and they've been emphasizing the seriousness of destroying the planet since V15

 

[LoganKroos]

Because thats where they live and they've been emphasizing the seriousness of destroying the planet since V15

yes because that's where they live and most would have nowhere to go even if they survive the destruction of the planet, an example is Velgrind who doesn't care much about the planet because he can simply take what she wants to another world, I don't remember the exact reason for her to be helping I think it's because she owes rimuru a favor

 

[Community_Gamer]

yes because that's where they live and most would have nowhere to go even if they survive the destruction of the planet, an example is Velgrind who doesn't care much about the planet because he can simply take what she wants to another world, I don't remember the exact reason for her to be helping I think it's because she owes rimuru a favor

Yes, well Velgrynd does care. This is her home, Rudra's home, her family's, and currently Masayuki's. Besides he wouldn't survive necessarily if the world was gone. And Velgrynd can't use Dimension Leap without coordinates. Which she is unfortunately incapable of grasping. So she'd stuck in this space-time.

 

[LoganKroos]

Yes, well Velgrynd does care. This is her home, Rudra's home, her family's, and currently Masayuki's. Besides he wouldn't survive necessarily if the world was gone. And Velgrynd can't use Dimension Leap without coordinates. Which she is unfortunately incapable of grasping. So she'd stuck in this space-time.

well, Velgrind said that besides rudra/masayuki she doesn't care much about the rest including the planet, and Benimaru said that she could go to other places with her skill, but I don't know the authenticity of that

 

[Community_Gamer]

Anyone ever think about how we never really explore other dimensions or even planets? Like from a main plot perspective. I get that Rimuru's motivates are on the planet and it keeps part of the story grounded..but it'd be cool.

I'm glad with how much we got in V19 especially about the spiritual realm, specifically the Phantom Palace. As well as the Heavenly Star Palace. I guess Tensura is about world building but its not really about traditional adventure. You learn about things as they become relevant to Rimuru.

It definitely works but could be cool. Although Rimuru's probably not the right guy for the job..

 

[LoganKroos]

Anyone ever think about how we never really explore other dimensions or even planets? Like from a main plot perspective. I get that Rimuru's motivates are on the planet and it keeps part of the story grounded..but it'd be cool.

I'm glad with how much we got in V19 especially about the spiritual realm, specifically the Phantom Palace. As well as the Heavenly Star Palace. I guess Tensura is about world building but its not really about traditional adventure. You learn about things as they become relevant to Rimuru.

It definitely works but could be cool. Although Rimuru's probably not the right guy for the job..

in the web novel Veldora and Ramiris explored other worlds in the extra stories, but in the light novel if you're talking about using the other worlds in the main story, the next volume is the best chance we have to have that

 

[Community_Gamer]

well, Velgrind said that besides rudra/masayuki she doesn't care much about the rest including the planet, and Benimaru said that she could go to other places with her skill, but I don't know the authenticity of that

Yeah Benimaru doesn't know the context of how she was going to different space-times.

She cares about what Masayuki cares about, just like she has been doing for thousands of years.

Besides I do think she cares about her family, including Milim.

Btw I still need a side or after story titled Family Meeting. I need Veldora, Velgrynd, Velzard, Milim, Rimuru, and Chloe (wink wink) to get stuffed in a room together and hash out grievances and build relationships. There's so much material there for entertaining interactions and interesting lore.

 

[Community_Gamer]

in the web novel Veldora and Ramiris explored other worlds in the extra stories, but in the light novel if you're talking about using the other worlds in the main story, the next volume is the best chance we have to have that

Yes I've read it multiple times. That was my favorite part of the WN. Actually it's probably the only part I liked.

Anyways that was very fun. I want it again but include Treyni and Charys. And obviously a different story.

 

[Peak]

I got you. Also Y2 goes crazy

my hype is tremendous, I know some things that happen and I've seen some panels, oh man, I have to read again, talking about COTE always makes me anxious

 

[Peak]

yes because that's where they live and most would have nowhere to go even if they survive the destruction of the planet, an example is Velgrind who doesn't care much about the planet because he can simply take what she wants to another world, I don't remember the exact reason for her to be helping I think it's because she owes rimuru a favor

Yes, well Velgrynd does care. This is her home, Rudra's home, her family's, and currently Masayuki's. Besides he wouldn't survive necessarily if the world was gone. And Velgrynd can't use Dimension Leap without coordinates. Which she is unfortunately incapable of grasping. So she'd stuck in this space-time.

yes, actually I was rereading the part where Ciel changes/evolves Velgrynd's skill and she managed to specify the entity (Rudra) because of Uriel, what's curious, we know that to "jump" to where the target or location is, you have to specify it, but we don't know in what way the person is specified, and maybe it's likely that we won't even know since Velgrynd cares much more for Rudra than anyone else, but I believe Velgrynd has to have something with strong connection to what she wants to look for to find, like she did with Uriel to look for Rudra

 

[Peak]

Anyone ever think about how we never really explore other dimensions or even planets? Like from a main plot perspective. I get that Rimuru's motivates are on the planet and it keeps part of the story grounded..but it'd be cool.

in the web novel Veldora and Ramiris explored other worlds in the extra stories, but in the light novel if you're talking about using the other worlds in the main story, the next volume is the best chance we have to have that

This about other planets was something I was also thinking about, have you ever stopped to think that there can actually be only one planet in each universe? I say this because of this line from Velgrynd in volume 17

There was one world, and there were no parallel worlds. But there were other worlds.

Maybe it's because it's MTL but the translation was confused by the amount of times the word "world" is used and maybe that will change with a good translation but looking at it like this, it looks like it was supposed to be something like

There was one universe, and there were no parallel planets. But there were other universes.

Or maybe it was something that I didn't get the concept, but anyway, that line is weird, actually, there were never any quotes about destroying other planets, it was always used stars, so maybe there's really only one planet in each universe, ahh man, It's moments like this that I would like Ciel in the scene lol

 

[Peak]

Yeah Benimaru doesn't know the context of how she was going to different space-times.

She cares about what Masayuki cares about, just like she has been doing for thousands of years.

Besides I do think she cares about her family, including Milim.

Btw I still need a side or after story titled Family Meeting. I need Veldora, Velgrynd, Velzard, Milim, Rimuru, and Chloe (wink wink) to get stuffed in a room together and hash out grievances and build relationships. There's so much material there for entertaining interactions and interesting lore.

True, actually, of the true dragons Velgrynd was the one who showed the most humanized feelings, maybe it's for loving a human, but she showed to care even about Veldora and argued with Velzard often about her mistreatment, she was also angry when she thought that Veldora had died when Rimuru devoured him, even though she knew Veldora would be reincarnated, I think that's why Velgrynd is so much easier to like and that must be why volume 17 is one of my favorites, Fuse did well to focus on her in that volume

 

[Community_Gamer]

yes, actually I was rereading the part where Ciel changes/evolves Velgrynd's skill and she managed to specify the entity (Rudra) because of Uriel, what's curious, we know that to "jump" to where the target or location is, you have to specify it, but we don't know in what way the person is specified, and maybe it's likely that we won't even know since Velgrynd cares much more for Rudra than anyone else, but I believe Velgrynd has to have something with strong connection to what she wants to look for to find, like she did with Uriel to look for Rudra

Well Rudra had spirit fragments within Uriel which is what enabled the tracking

 

[Community_Gamer]

This about other planets was something I was also thinking about, have you ever stopped to think that there can actually be only one planet in each universe? I say this because of this line from Velgrynd in volume 17

Maybe it's because it's MTL but the translation was confused by the amount of times the word "world" is used and maybe that will change with a good translation but looking at it like this, it looks like it was supposed to be something like

Or maybe it was something that I didn't get the concept, but anyway, that line is weird, actually, there were never any quotes about destroying other planets, it was always used stars, so maybe there's really only one planet in each universe, ahh man, It's moments like this that I would like Ciel in the scene lol

She's talking about one timeline per universe and there's one universe or multiverse containing it

 

[Peak]

She's talking about one timeline per universe and there's one universe or multiverse containing it

bruh, I don't know why I didn't think of that lol

 

[JV_DLS]

I don't understand what you didn't understand about it, "world" in all contexts referring to destruction in this volume was related to planet, "because they care about destroying the planet if they can destroy stars" obviously it's because the answer is because they live and protect the planet and not just any star, in fact, everything in this volume proved the consistency of the maximum level of Tensura being star level, Fuse even made a point of introducing a particle called a 'stellar particle' in this volume.

I'd be fine theorizing about being 3-A with the "weak worlds" but 3-A in the cardinal world is out of the question

I know it makes more sense to think that they are talking about the planet and not the universe, but the point is that sometimes they use the word planet and other times they use the word world

As for the matter of destroying a star, what I wanted to say is that it doesn't make much sense for them to emphasize only the destruction of the planet, since the top tiers there have the power to destroy entire stars it is very likely that it will cause more damage than just the planet , of course they highlight this because that's where they live, so it's the most important place but I think that at some point in Vol they may have referred to the destruction of a universe, I'm not saying that it happened but that it could , because in Slime it wouldn't be so surprising

 

[Peak]

I know it makes more sense to think that they are talking about the planet and not the universe, but the point is that sometimes they use the word planet and other times they use the word world

This is just a play on words, the author uses synonyms to avoid repetition of words and the reading doesn't get boring/tiring for the reader, the word "world" can be confusing but for those who don't care about powerscalling probably won't even care about that

As for the matter of destroying a star, what I wanted to say is that it doesn't make much sense for them to emphasize only the destruction of the planet, since the top tiers there have the power to destroy entire stars it is very likely that it will cause more damage than just the planet , of course they highlight this because that's where they live, so it's the most important place but I think that at some point in Vol they may have referred to the destruction of a universe, I'm not saying that it happened but that

it would be incredibly inconsistent for beings who can destroy stars to simply leap out of the blue to the destruction of the universe, and the reason they emphasize so much the destruction of the planet is the degree of importance, if stars are destroyed it will not be harmful to anyone, unlike the planet.

 

[Diablo_]

This is just a play on words, the author uses synonyms to avoid repetition of words and the reading doesn't get boring/tiring for the reader, the word "world" can be confusing but for those who don't care about powerscalling probably won't even care about that

it would be incredibly inconsistent for beings who can destroy stars to simply leap out of the blue to the destruction of the universe, and the reason they emphasize so much the destruction of the planet is the degree of importance, if stars are destroyed it will not be harmful to anyone, unlike the planet

Agree about the 1st part but
Sudden absurd jump in power nothing new in fiction .
Speed is a good example you have a verse full of supersonic characters then someone suddenly dodges light speed attacks .The authors don't even care about how big the gap is .(By the way I believe fuse isn't that type|Debatable| so I'll stick with worlds being planet for now )

 

[JV_DLS]

Agree about the 1st part but
Sudden absurd jump in power nothing new in fiction .
Speed is a good example you have a verse full of supersonic characters then someone suddenly dodges light speed attacks .The authors don't even care about how big the gap is .(By the way I believe fuse isn't that type|Debatable| so I'll stick with worlds being planet for now )

i still believe the upper levels are universal but i will also stay neutral until the translation comes out

 

[Diablo_]

i still believe the upper levels are universal but i will also stay neutral until the translation comes out

I also think some what the same but don't have anything to prove it .Fuse may .probably introduce universe destruction with Feldway or Ivarage .

I don't think LN character will be really that much behind in strength compared to WN characters since that Tik tok scan saying Fuse won't make Rimu as strong as WN is fake .

 

[JV_DLS]

I also think some what the same but don't have anything to prove it .Fuse may .probably introduce universe destruction with Feldway or Ivarage .

I don't think LN character will be really that much behind in strength compared to WN characters since that Tik tok scan saying Fuse won't make Rimu as strong as WN is fake .

So the information is false?! For the power scale this is good, maybe there is some chance of something higher than level 2, but for the story itself this could be bad as Fuse will have less time to write, and he himself said they were trying to rush him to finish the story

 

[Peak]

So the information is false?! For the power scale this is good, maybe there is some chance of something higher than level 2, but for the story itself this could be bad as Fuse will have less time to write, and he himself said they were trying to rush him to finish the story

yes, Fuse dropped another report and said the story is on track to wrap up in 2 volumes

 

[Peak]

I was thinking, in volume 14 Rimuru evolves Diablo into TDL and claims with some conviction that Diablo is stronger than him, of course, in volume 15 we saw that this is not true and the food chain not only made Rimuru stronger than Diablo, but also comparable to a true dragon, but can we say that awakened Diablo really was superior to Rimuru at some point or was it just Rimuru hyping him? This doesn't just apply to Diablo, I vaguely remember him saying that other subordinates were superior to him in his demon lord version, but I wonder how reliable that kind of statement is

 

[Doomrider7]

So the information is false?! For the power scale this is good, maybe there is some chance of something higher than level 2, but for the story itself this could be bad as Fuse will have less time to write, and he himself said they were trying to rush him to finish the story

I really don't understand WHY they're rushing him since he seems to want to write more as well as the series being the publishers best seller(if info is still up to date, it is the second best selling LN of all time behind only Raildex).