Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Peak]

im starting to think that actually Beni would have the highest feats in rimuru patron after carrera.. why beni well beni able to harm Rimuru just a bit i think it already a high feats becous its not just Base Milim but her true battle form and in a wrath Condition.. Also prolly if its Base milim she would Get harm so badly with the Prominence ACC.. Even idont think Veldora can stand that attack unharm..

Veldora has probability manipulation and danger precognition, as well as maintaining his intelligence, he would have no problem dealing with it.

 

[Peak]

Yeah I disagree .It lacks feat .It was trying to swallow milim but didnt succeed in landing even a scratch .Well up against the wrong opposition but I can't scale it with just that .While Carrera's Judgement clearly has more feats and statement

I agree with you, judgment bullet just can't deal with castle guard which is Tensura's best defense, it also negates regeneration even though it doesn't hit the core, so yes, judgment bullet>

 

[Peak]

huh, when did i said "Will the HGR of Rimuru be downgraded"

I confess I was looking lol but what do you think about the possible downgrade of the regeneration?

 

[Peak]

I rlly hope Beni gets a Buff... Like it unfair Beni is the First rimuru Loyal Sub that follows rimuru from the anime until now and hes not even the strongest...

That's not his role and he doesn't need a buff, in fact leaving him like that would make him balanced

 

[JV_DLS]

I myself am in doubt about HGR, but Raphael said that Rimuru would come back even being hit by Hinata's melt smash, an attack that destroys the information particles that make up its core, that is, even if destroyed it could still regenerate, I don 't know if it is valid to lower Rimuru's based on what would happen to Shion in that case

 

[rainheart]

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[RimuruSama076]

Eva-chan from Clayman spin off is undoubtedly above Shion interms of Best girl energy

 

[Catpija]

I confess I was looking lol but what do you think about the possible downgrade of the regeneration?

didnt read volume 20 yet so i can't say

 

[Peak]

I myself am in doubt about HGR, but Raphael said that Rimuru would come back even being hit by Hinata's melt smash, an attack that destroys the information particles that make up its core, that is, even if destroyed it could still regenerate, I don 't know if it is valid to lower Rimuru's based on what would happen to Shion in that case

Meltslash has never been declared capable of destroying the core, we know that the core is protected by the information particle, but we don't know if meltslash is able to reach the core, and as I said, Raphael says he can come back with >infinite regeneration<, the skills or their data are recorded in the core, so Rimuru could still regenerate, if it is stated that for some random reason that infinite regeneration works differently with Rimuru would be one thing, but that's not the case, at least not yet

Even though meltslash can erase information, I think HGR only applies if you have even the fundamental aspect of your existence COMPLETELY erased, in this case it should include the core as well, since it is something that is part of Rimuru's existence and the core is essential for the existence of a being in Tensura, which Rimuru is not and has not been said to be able to do, but if I'm wrong and the simple fact of being able to regenerate the fundamental aspect of your existence (without being completely) is enough, then that's ok, it's still HGR

 

[Peak]

I was thinking, if Veldanava, unlike WN, didn't use turn null in creating all worlds, then maybe Rimuru could have chaos manipulation, actually i don't know if creation really prevents having chaos manipulation in the wiki, maybe i'll do a hopeless crt just to test

 

[Community_Gamer]

but u relize that even if diablo core is destroyed he still can regenerate it... and even revive instantly

No he can't regenerate his core. He just instantly reforms in hell. Which would be an L

 

[Community_Gamer]

ok lets stop with this..
Now Beni Prominence ACC vs Carrera Judgment Bullet who would wins..
And Daily reminder Shion WN>Carrera(In timestop)

Unfortunately Prominence Acceleration doesn't have any relevant scaling. Unless you are referring to the ampped version in V20. Which didn't harm Milim or anything so we still don't know.

 

[Community_Gamer]

PPL in tiktok sayin Midley> BENI just cuz Carrera sayd hes Comparable to Zegi lol..But the fact he dont even have an US and Beni Prominence ACC >Milims Heavenly kings..

Well Carrera was referring to his skill level not power. And she wasn't even making the most confident statement

 

[Community_Gamer]

most i believe are demon lord seed level, others seemed to be demon lord level and the main ones like Peliod and Zess seemed to be planet level, Zelanus is indisputably star level, this is how i see it, the names of each demon lord seed level i won't remember because they died quickly

I think they were probably all Special S but I agree. Zelanus probably is but I don't know if that Drago Nova was Star level. But regardless I don't doubt that he's probably stronger than Base Milim. Although I suppose him getting hurt was more so because Drago Nova can't be absorbed like he tried to.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Meltslash has never been declared capable of destroying the core, we know that the core is protected by the information particle, but we don't know if meltslash is able to reach the core, and as I said, Raphael says he can come back with >infinite regeneration<, the skills or their data are recorded in the core, so Rimuru could still regenerate, if it is stated that for some random reason that infinite regeneration works differently with Rimuru would be one thing, but that's not the case, at least not yet

Even though meltslash can erase information, I think HGR only applies if you have even the fundamental aspect of your existence COMPLETELY erased, in this case it should include the core as well, since it is something that is part of Rimuru's existence and the core is essential for the existence of a being in Tensura, which Rimuru is not and has not been said to be able to do, but if I'm wrong and the simple fact of being able to regenerate the fundamental aspect of your existence (without being completely) is enough, then that's ok, it's still HGR

Yeah people forget that Beelzebub only got destroyed because Raphael sacrificed. Literally used it as a shield.

 

[Community_Gamer]

I don't know if having ultimate skill is really valid, beings like Peliod and Zess don't have it either and are powerful enough to deal with Carrera, Gabiru, Ranga and Gobta fused together, not to mention the others who helped as well, so having ultimate skill or not is something that shouldn't weigh too much for now

Yeah having an US doesn't mean anything if you have administrator authority, a strong enough willpower, an understanding of the greatest magics and the ability to execute, or just really powerful innate abilities like magic nullification.

 

[Community_Gamer]

I wonder, is it not uncommon for beings of much lower EP to be able to at least match for some time against beings of much higher EP, Silvia for example was just holding Leon and it was implied that she would lose eventually, even though I don't like Leon's character, I think he is underrated in power, he was considered better at swordsmanship than Zalario and Metatron not bad, in fact, it's like an always-on meltslash, Rimuru also states that he would have a hard time dealing with one of the attacks Leon used on Milim, so for now I think it's plausible that he's close to Zalario in some way.

There's more statements that she even with Leon. She was able to analyze Rimuru and talk casually while fighting Leon. Besides I think the only reason she'd lose is because he manipulates spiritual particles to destroy things he touches. He's literally a walking Disintegration which is also why I think Rimuru said he'd have a hard time, although Rimuru does have ways of blocking and negating that.

Leon isn't more skilled than Zalario that's why Leon and Soei knew it'd be a battle of attrition and that they wouldn't win because Zalario is such skilled and experienced fighter that he'd rather wait for openings and counter attack rather than risk injuries. Leon is more skilled with his skills but that's literally because Zalario only relied on his fighting techniques.

 

[Community_Gamer]

I rlly hope Beni gets a Buff... Like it unfair Beni is the First rimuru Loyal Sub that follows rimuru from the anime until now and hes not even the strongest...

I love Benimaru but I don't think it makes sense for as strong as he was in WN. Specifically I don't he should be above the Primordials especially since refining and improving their skills and fighting techniques. Carrera is now going to train with Midley to learn Battewill techniques. Not to mention they actually constantly train against Zegion.

Benimaru doesn't and he's probably too busy to do so. I think Benimaru is really special for his insanely impressive leadership and commanding skills. Who else is perfectly utilizing and commanding Primordials and Demon Lords? I like how everyone respect him and other Demon Lords and world leaders want him on their team.

I loved how Benimaru just took command of the Magnus, while leading and protecting Slivia, Kagali, and Teare, while communicating with Rimuru. Its no wonder he was exhausted.

 

[Peak]

I think they were probably all Special S but I agree. Zelanus probably is but I don't know if that Drago Nova was Star level. But regardless I don't doubt that he's probably stronger than Base Milim. Although I suppose him getting hurt was more so because Drago Nova can't be absorbed like he tried to.

the reason I put him in star level was because of that statement by Carrera about his wings

On his forehead, a pair of antennae were swinging. Two pairs of wings from its back and waist were glowing red, and three pairs of arms were poised on the defensive.

（Those wings also look dangerous. They are terribly dense, but is it because of the energy compression? If they are released, they might change the shape of the star by themselves...)

Probably, it will be more destructive than the extreme magic that Carrera manipulates. That's how much I could feel the frightening energy from those two pairs of wings.

It has been said that it can change stars, but in a good translation this can end up being changed to a planet too, plus it was compared to a Carrera planetary power, but that's for another time, what matters is that the simple presence and the simple swaying of parts of your body already causes enormous damage, and I also think that Milim in battleform is already a star level, since true dragons take this level by default and Milim is already comparable to them without using Satanael, and I believe that Zelanus was holding back a lot too, because he also didn't want to cause the destruction of the planet and he only used one skill (well op by the way), Zelanus just had the wrong enemy, but I value him

 

[Peak]

Yeah having an US doesn't mean anything if you have administrator authority, a strong enough willpower, an understanding of the greatest magics and the ability to execute, or just really powerful innate abilities like magic nullification.

Yes, there are many ways to get around an ultimate skill user, since the last volume I still gave some credit to the ultimate skill, but most of this new volume (mainly angels and bugs) lacked an ultimate skill and didn't act like it was a problem

 

[Peak]

There's more statements that she even with Leon. She was able to analyze Rimuru and talk casually while fighting Leon. Besides I think the only reason she'd lose is because he manipulates spiritual particles to destroy things he touches. He's literally a walking Disintegration which is also why I think Rimuru said he'd have a hard time, although Rimuru does have ways of blocking and negating that.

yes I agree, actually Rimuru underestimates himself a lot, I don't know if he was serious and Leon's disintegration is really very powerful, or was he underestimating himself as he said he would have problems with Dagruel when Ciel denied

Leon isn't more skilled than Zalario that's why Leon and Soei knew it'd be a battle of attrition and that they wouldn't win because Zalario is such skilled and experienced fighter that he'd rather wait for openings and counter attack rather than risk injuries. Leon is more skilled with his skills but that's literally because Zalario only relied on his fighting techniques.

actually it depends on the point of view and the enemy himself, Zalario is actually inferior to Leon with swordsmanship, but that's only when the enemy has human form, Zalario has more specialty against insectars, although it wouldn't change much, it seems that Zalario could beat everyone at any time with or without this sword skill

Since the time in the other world and the Cardinal World are different, Zalario has been fighting for more than tens of billions of years in his experience. The reason why Zalario's skill with the sword is so low is that he has specialized in the characteristics of insectar enemies. Nevertheless, some of them were unusually good fighters, and Zalario's strength had reached an unimaginable level.



Zalario's unwillingness to fight was the only reason why the battle with Leon and his group was successful.

 

[Peak]

I love Benimaru but I don't think it makes sense for as strong as he was in WN. Specifically I don't he should be above the Primordials especially since refining and improving their skills and fighting techniques. Carrera is now going to train with Midley to learn Battewill techniques. Not to mention they actually constantly train against Zegion.

Benimaru doesn't and he's probably too busy to do so. I think Benimaru is really special for his insanely impressive leadership and commanding skills. Who else is perfectly utilizing and commanding Primordials and Demon Lords? I like how everyone respect him and other Demon Lords and world leaders want him on their team.

I loved how Benimaru just took command of the Magnus, while leading and protecting Slivia, Kagali, and Teare, while communicating with Rimuru. Its no wonder he was exhausted.

I would say in strength Benimaru shouldn't even be worthy of being at the top, Ultima has been pushing steadily ever since she realized she was the weakest of the trio in volume 15, Carrera I don't need to say, Testarossa and Diablo are without relevant battles but they are one of the smartest beings in tempest, so I really prefer that Benimaru does his best just on command because it's really nice to see him in that position

 

[Community_Gamer]

the reason I put him in star level was because of that statement by Carrera about his wings

It has been said that it can change stars, but in a good translation this can end up being changed to a planet too, plus it was compared to a Carrera planetary power, but that's for another time, what matters is that the simple presence and the simple swaying of parts of your body already causes enormous damage, and I also think that Milim in battleform is already a star level, since true dragons take this level by default and Milim is already comparable to them without using Satanael, and I believe that Zelanus was holding back a lot too, because he also didn't want to cause the destruction of the planet and he only used one skill (well op by the way), Zelanus just had the wrong enemy, but I value him

Oh yeah good catch. I can't wait for the edited version so I can read again and get all my scans. Bruh scaling almost every recurring and important character is rough.

I should finish my Arifureta scans before then especially a new volume is coming out soon.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Yes, there are many ways to get around an ultimate skill user, since the last volume I still gave some credit to the ultimate skill, but most of this new volume (mainly angels and bugs) lacked an ultimate skill and didn't act like it was a problem

Yeah its been setup since V18 to limit the importance of having an US amd even before that having and Ultimate Enchantment or Gift was limiting the importance of just an Ultimate Skill.

 

[Community_Gamer]

yes I agree, actually Rimuru underestimates himself a lot, I don't know if he was serious and Leon's disintegration is really very powerful, or was he underestimating himself as he said he would have problems with Dagruel when Ciel denied

actually it depends on the point of view and the enemy himself, Zalario is actually inferior to Leon with swordsmanship, but that's only when the enemy has human form, Zalario has more specialty against insectars, although it wouldn't change much, it seems that Zalario could beat everyone at any time with or without this sword skill

Oh that statement. Yes he's specialized against Insectors so rather than having the feints and finesse traditional swordsmanship might have its focused on accuracy and strength. He has to target weak points in the exoskeleton and he's not fighting people that use weapons or swords.

I found it funny that Fuse was almost trying to downplay Zalario and really more so Obera because of their dedication to fighting the same enemies for tens of thousands of years. But Obera is fighting Cryptids whom aew so varied and different that it'd take a lot skill to cope with the uniqueness. The similarity is that their all mindless.

Whereas Zalario has to have various bug monsters that negate magic and have structure and hierarchy. He's probably the most experienced fighting people on his level too.

 

[Diablo_]

huh, when did i said "Will the HGR of Rimuru be downgraded"

It was to tag you .You never did .I mistakenly ended up erasing what you said and asked that question

 

[Diablo_]

Tbh I would hate if Benimaru becomes as Strong as he was in WN .Reasons ?

1.The primordial's have been existing and fighting for at least billions if years (Confirmed by Zalario's statement that he's been fighting against insectars for this much time ) .No matter how hard you train it won't make sense to surpass such beings with just that ,Like some willpower or trainings (Sounds like some stupid protagonists' plot armor ) .

2.Carrera and trio has been constantly fighting Zegion in the labyrinth and one of Carrera's goal is to surpass zegion at all cost .Ultima has been trying her hardest and combine that with billions of years of experience.

3.Well I don't care .Here's Beni's Power boosts:
1.Ogre >Kijin (Named by Rimuru )
2.Kijin >Fair oni (Gift of Harvest festival )
3.Fair oni >Demon lord (Rimuru helped )
4.Absolute severance ( Rimuru helped )
5.Prominence acceleration (Rimuru helped )

Whereas someone like carrera has been trying damn hard to acquire her strength .Yes she got help Rimuru to become a DL and got a name (Twice ) but not as much as Beni .So I think Beni shouldn't surpass at least Carrera .

 

[Diablo_]

I hate baseless Fantasies of the authors .I hated zegion(Not really Zegion rather fuse ) in WN for that reason .His strength was 95% Rimuru's and Ciel's help .But now that the reason why he is so strong has been explained in LN he is one of my Favourite .

Not just that but the whole power system in LN has gotten better (Although I wanted Luminous to be a bit stronger ,she is probably is since she can defeat Jahil but some people don't accept that )

 

[luis3333]

what are the fastest users slime datta ken most broken speed skills verse

 

[Diablo_]

what are the fastest users slime datta ken most broken speed skills verse

Immeasurable/Infinite speed for Digital Lifeforms or info particles users .Lacks feat to confirm immeasurable speed but it's been stated that Information particles transcend spacetime .

"Possibly" demonstrated by Dagruel ,Michael,Rimuru ,Chloe .

 

[Peak]

Oh yeah good catch. I can't wait for the edited version so I can read again and get all my scans. Bruh scaling almost every recurring and important character is rough.

I should finish my Arifureta scans before then especially a new volume is coming out soon.

I find myself in a similar situation, but it's not related to scans, Tensura has consumed me these last few days and I have to read COTE again, I'm still at the end of the 1st year, but I still keep my desire to continue reading

 

[Peak]

Yeah its been setup since V18 to limit the importance of having an US amd even before that having and Ultimate Enchantment or Gift was limiting the importance of just an Ultimate Skill.

Yes, actually, on second thought, there are a lot of godtiers without ultimate skill (so far), like Zelanus, Feldway (he doesn't have his own ultimate skill apparently, of course, because he doesn't need to), Dagruel, Ramiris, etc

In fact, Ramiris and Dagruel are an even more special case, as their skill is intrinsic.

 

[Peak]

Oh that statement. Yes he's specialized against Insectors so rather than having the feints and finesse traditional swordsmanship might have its focused on accuracy and strength. He has to target weak points in the exoskeleton and he's not fighting people that use weapons or swords.

I found it funny that Fuse was almost trying to downplay Zalario and really more so Obera because of their dedication to fighting the same enemies for tens of thousands of years. But Obera is fighting Cryptids whom aew so varied and different that it'd take a lot skill to cope with the uniqueness. The similarity is that their all mindless.

Whereas Zalario has to have various bug monsters that negate magic and have structure and hierarchy. He's probably the most experienced fighting people on his level too.

Yes, I actually found it interesting the revelation that billions of years have passed since the creation of the world, in fact, angels and demons were born before the creation of the worlds, which shows how experienced they are

 

[Peak]

Tbh I would hate if Benimaru becomes as Strong as he was in WN .Reasons ?

1.The primordial's have been existing and fighting for at least billions if years (Confirmed by Zalario's statement that he's been fighting against insectars for this much time ) .No matter how hard you train it won't make sense to surpass such beings with just that ,Like some willpower or trainings (Sounds like some stupid protagonists' plot armor ) .

2.Carrera and trio has been constantly fighting Zegion in the labyrinth and one of Carrera's goal is to surpass zegion at all cost .Ultima has been trying her hardest and combine that with billions of years of experience.

3.Well I don't care .Here's Beni's Power boosts:
1.Ogre >Kijin (Named by Rimuru )
2.Kijin >Fair oni (Gift of Harvest festival )
3.Fair oni >Demon lord (Rimuru helped )
4.Absolute severance ( Rimuru helped )
5.Prominence acceleration (Rimuru helped )

Whereas someone like carrera has been trying damn hard to acquire her strength .Yes she got help Rimuru to become a DL and got a name (Twice ) but not as much as Beni .So I think Beni shouldn't surpass at least Carrera .

I agree, actually Benimaru can be top 5 or 6 of the subordinates and I would still be satisfied, his usefulness in battle will always be present for his excellent command.

 

[Peak]

I hate baseless Fantasies of the authors .I hated zegion(Not really Zegion rather fuse ) in WN for that reason .His strength was 95% Rimuru's and Ciel's help .But now that the reason why he is so strong has been explained in LN he is one of my Favourite .

Not just that but the whole power system in LN has gotten better (Although I wanted Luminous to be a bit stronger ,she is probably is since she can defeat Jahil but some people don't accept that )

Zegion I like to see him fighting, even because his race is made for that, but I don't have that much attachment to the character itself yet, in other words, as long as Zegion isn't fighting, I don't particularly care for him that much, outside of battle I find him uninteresting, the only personality trait he has displayed so far is his incredible devotion and loyalty to Rimuru, but just that, even Adalman who is one of the most fanatical about Rimuru has other aspects that attract me, an example of a character that I like to see with or without being in battle is Geld, I would like his story and trajectory to be more valued by the fans, and him to have fought unconsciously in the war was something sensational.

I also consider Luminas underrated, this time she just had the wrong enemy so I still think she should be valued more, although I don't know if she is superior or inferior to Leon

 

[Diablo_]

Zegion I like to see him fighting, even because his race is made for that, but I don't have that much attachment to the character itself yet, in other words, as long as Zegion isn't fighting, I don't particularly care for him that much, outside of battle I find him uninteresting, the only personality trait he has displayed so far is his incredible devotion and loyalty to Rimuru, but just that, even Adalman who is one of the most fanatical about Rimuru has other aspects that attract me, an example of a character that I like to see with or without being in battle is Geld, I would like his story and trajectory to be more valued by the fans, and him to have fought unconsciously in the war was something sensational.

I also consider Luminas underrated, this time she just had the wrong enemy so I still think she should be valued more, although I don't know if she is superior or inferior to Leon

Yeah .But Zegion's WN character didn't really stand out outside battle apart from being a cool guy .

Adalmann trio,Gabiru ,Geld ,Carrera ,Benimaru and Diablo are way better in that aspect .Testarossa is also really great .
But can't blame Zegion too much for that .He is just stuck in the labyrinth all the time .

 

[Community_Gamer]

I find myself in a similar situation, but it's not related to scans, Tensura has consumed me these last few days and I have to read COTE again, I'm still at the end of the 1st year, but I still keep my desire to continue reading

COTE is fire. Definitely my favorite LN series. And I've reading a lot recently. I'll probably hope onto Mushoku Tensei or Re:Zero next.

I highly recommend Ascendance of A Bookworm who love world building, character growth and a realistic fantasy story.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Yes, actually, on second thought, there are a lot of godtiers without ultimate skill (so far), like Zelanus, Feldway (he doesn't have his own ultimate skill apparently, of course, because he doesn't need to), Dagruel, Ramiris, etc

In fact, Ramiris and Dagruel are an even more special case, as their skill is intrinsic.

Well Ramiris isn't quite the same kind of Mediator as Guy. She's an administrator from what Dino said. And we know from Feldway, Dino, Guy, and indirectly by Milim that Ramiris' power is unique in that it works similarly to Authorities like Angels. We learn that its like the Divine Tree or Heavenly Tower but in a special category since its in a different dimension and doesn't protect the world directly like the other two.

Either way, yeah they are special.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Yes, I actually found it interesting the revelation that billions of years have passed since the creation of the world, in fact, angels and demons were born before the creation of the worlds, which shows how experienced they are

Well yes and no. The Primordials demons aren't clear when they were born but the Spiritual Realm specifically Hell already existed.

Feldway and the Seraphim were aiding Veldanava before the creation of the Divine Ancestor or humanity. So they probably existed before the Cardinal World. But I presume that the Heavenly Star Palace came before them since its the nexus of creation and is connected to all worlds.

I think Seraphim are probably older but to an irrelevant degree considering how long they lived after a certain point it really doesn't matter. Also the Seraphim had very shallow ego to where they couldn't have Ultimate Skills anyway.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Zegion I like to see him fighting, even because his race is made for that, but I don't have that much attachment to the character itself yet, in other words, as long as Zegion isn't fighting, I don't particularly care for him that much, outside of battle I find him uninteresting, the only personality trait he has displayed so far is his incredible devotion and loyalty to Rimuru, but just that, even Adalman who is one of the most fanatical about Rimuru has other aspects that attract me, an example of a character that I like to see with or without being in battle is Geld, I would like his story and trajectory to be more valued by the fans, and him to have fought unconsciously in the war was something sensational.

Agreed. Zegion's been around forever and hus upbringing and lore are cool but his seriousness and quietness doesn't server his character much (Although his lines with Dino were fire). Geld is my favorite subordinate but he had a lot going for him from the start.

Its unfortunate that Zegion's job is simply be an Ultimate defense. Even Apito creates honey for Tempest. Kumara guards multiple floors, her history is interesting as well as her motivations and personality, she's got Hinata and Hakuro as masters, she's friends with the children, she's clever and tricked Rimuru, she's educated and gone to school.... I could go on.

Point is that Zegion is unfortunately one dimension compared to everyone else besides the Dragon Kings. BUT I think that's mainly because Zegion hasn't gotten opportunities to interact with many characters. For example, I love to see Veldora training Zegion and Ramiris reactions. Zegion and Apito are homies but they never talk and maybe they should fight together next volume. Maybe Zegion remembers his father Zelanus and feels some type of way. Show some insecurity maybe because Zelanus caused their dire circumstances and exemplify the growth because of that.

There's a lot Fuse could do.

I also consider Luminas underrated, this time she just had the wrong enemy so I still think she should be valued more, although I don't know if she is superior or inferior to Leon

I like her, I thought was decently powerful. Stronger than Rimuru for awhile but then again so was every other Demon Lord. Besides that surviving a fight with Veldora does say something. Although most of her power doesn't come from her alone, inverse its fine. She actually didn't really get any scaling this volume funny enough.

I thought that Fuse was trying to imply based off of Shion's comments that Luminas was stronger than her, but not necessarily it. And Luminas certainly didn't do anything to prove she is. Lol