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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

I was thinking, in volume 14 Rimuru evolves Diablo into TDL and claims with some conviction that Diablo is stronger than him, of course, in volume 15 we saw that this is not true and the food chain not only made Rimuru stronger than Diablo, but also comparable to a true dragon, but can we say that awakened Diablo really was superior to Rimuru at some point or was it just Rimuru hyping him? This doesn't just apply to Diablo, I vaguely remember him saying that other subordinates were superior to him in his demon lord version, but I wonder how reliable that kind of statement is
No that's Rimuru underestimating himself and Overestimating his Subordinates .

He said Benimaru,Zegion and Diablo was stronger than him.(In Diablo's case Rimuru stated that Diablo was stronger than him even before he awakaned which isn't true ) .
But well that could be somewhat true. Ultima was able to fight Fenn evenly ,Velgrynd said Diablo was a troublesome opponent ,Carrera was compared to Velgrynd ,Zegion had a chance to defeat Veldora pending certain restrictions

So I think They're probably stronger than the newly awakened Rimuru .There's a chance at least.
 
By the way I noticed Rimuru is the one to blame for Diablo's lack of feats .He says things like these and prevents Diablo from fighting :

"Diablo is strong so I can't reveal him to the enemy "

"Diablo is strong so he should stay in the labyrinth to help Zegion and Benimaru against Zelanus,Feldway etc "

"Diablo is strong so he should be used in case of emergency "

"Diablo is strong but I can't let him fight Michael even if he says he can still fight "
 
By the way I noticed Rimuru is the one to blame for Diablo's lack of feats .He says things like these and prevents Diablo from fighting :

"Diablo is strong so I can't reveal him to the enemy "

"Diablo is strong so he should stay in the labyrinth to help Zegion and Benimaru against Zelanus,Feldway etc "

"Diablo is strong so he should be used in case of emergency "

"Diablo is strong but I can't let him fight Michael even if he says he can still fight "
Diablo, zegion and Benimaru are his trump cards, he's not stupid to reveal his 3 best subordinates for anything, the first time Rimuru really let them reveal their potential was now in volumes 19 and 20 using Diablo to stop Zalário and Benimaru to save Sarion
 
By the way I noticed Rimuru is the one to blame for Diablo's lack of feats .He says things like these and prevents Diablo from fighting :

"Diablo is strong so I can't reveal him to the enemy "

"Diablo is strong so he should stay in the labyrinth to help Zegion and Benimaru against Zelanus,Feldway etc "

"Diablo is strong so he should be used in case of emergency "

"Diablo is strong but I can't let him fight Michael even if he says he can still fight "
He views Diablo like how most players view Megalixer in Final Fantasy. A rare resource to be used only in emergencies that you wind up never actually using.
 
No that's Rimuru underestimating himself and Overestimating his Subordinates .

He said Benimaru,Zegion and Diablo was stronger than him.(In Diablo's case Rimuru stated that Diablo was stronger than him even before he awakaned which isn't true )
It's hard to say because the only time we saw Rimuru TDL fighting everything was in volume 15, but I think Rimuru mostly underestimated the power of Beelzebub's food chain
But well that could be somewhat true. Ultima was able to fight Fenn evenly ,Velgrynd said Diablo was a troublesome opponent ,Carrera was compared to Velgrynd ,Zegion had a chance to defeat Veldora pending certain restrictions

So I think They're probably stronger than the newly awakened Rimuru .There's a chance at least
In fact, Velgrynd says Testarossa is a problematic opponent in volume 15, not Diablo (maybe it was mentioned too, but I don't remember), both are comparable anyway so it's the same, now about this involving Fenn it really gives them more credibility of them being superior to Rimuru TDL
 
By the way I noticed Rimuru is the one to blame for Diablo's lack of feats .He says things like these and prevents Diablo from fighting :

"Diablo is strong so I can't reveal him to the enemy "

"Diablo is strong so he should stay in the labyrinth to help Zegion and Benimaru against Zelanus,Feldway etc "

"Diablo is strong so he should be used in case of emergency "

"Diablo is strong but I can't let him fight Michael even if he says he can still fight "
It turns out that Rimuru only pits Diablo against opponents he's sure Diablo can beat, and they're always weak characters within the plot lol
 
It turns out that Rimuru only pits Diablo against opponents he's sure Diablo can beat, and they're always weak characters within the plot lol
He really needs at least one big fight before the main story ends or else he will become a wasted character like Michael .
Since even Hinata wasn't thrown away I don't think Fuse will throw away someone like Diablo .
NVM Hinata is/was actually a more important character in the story than Diablo
 
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No that's Rimuru underestimating himself and Overestimating his Subordinates .

He said Benimaru,Zegion and Diablo was stronger than him.(In Diablo's case Rimuru stated that Diablo was stronger than him even before he awakaned which isn't true ) .
But well that could be somewhat true. Ultima was able to fight Fenn evenly ,Velgrynd said Diablo was a troublesome opponent ,Carrera was compared to Velgrynd ,Zegion had a chance to defeat Veldora pending certain restrictions
Ultima just avoided getting hit, if she was hit a single time the fight would be over. Velgrynd says all the Primordials are troublesome but only ever remember her specifying Testarossa. Carrera's Gravity Collapse were to hers and it were inferior. Zegion was comparable physically to Veldora which why Veldora wanted to fight Velgrynd with Zegion even before he awakened.
So I think They're probably stronger than the newly awakened Rimuru .There's a chance at least.
That's what referred to with Benimaru at least before he awakened. I think with Diablo and Zegion he's so taken about with their technical fighting ability and combat sense that he rates them higher than himself. Which isn't necessarily true, without Raphael theirs a good chance they beat him in some capacity.
 
Zegion is still very well hidden, I'm curious when rimuru will allow him to act
Never outside Tempest. He's more concerned about Zegion being a threat to other people. Even if unintentionally, all of his best subordinates don't know what self control is when it comes Rimuru
 
Ultima just avoided getting hit, if she was hit a single time the fight would be over. Velgrynd says all the Primordials are troublesome but only ever remember her specifying Testarossa. Carrera's Gravity Collapse were to hers and it were inferior. Zegion was comparable physically to Veldora which why Veldora wanted to fight Velgrynd with Zegion even before he awakened.

That's what referred to with Benimaru at least before he awakened. I think with Diablo and Zegion he's so taken about with their technical fighting ability and combat sense that he rates them higher than himself. Which isn't necessarily true, without Raphael theirs a good chance they beat him in some capacity.
1.Of course Ultima isn't comparabel to Fenn .But the fact that she was able to fight a way stronger opponent proves she has a chance against newly awakened Rimuru
2.The primordials are comparable to each other and Diablo is narratively stronger than Trio
3.Abyss anhilation is superior to gravity collapse and was compared to velgrynd .
4.Of course thats why I said pending certain conditions .But that was before zegion's evolution after evolution he should be at least slightly better .
 
Just gonna throw out my current list for characters. And because someone is above or below doesn't mean that the difference is great.

1. Milim
2. Feldway
3. Chloe
4. Rimuru
5. Guy
6. Rudra
7. Velzatd
8. Michael
9. Zelanus
10. Velgrynd
 
1.Of course Ultima isn't comparabel to Fenn .But the fact that she was able to fight a way stronger opponent proves she has a chance against newly awakened Rimuru
Oh yeah I think a lot of people could beat Rimuru before V1. Even after still quite a bit
2.The primordials are comparable to each other and Diablo is narratively stronger than Trio
Debatable
3.Abyss anhilation is superior to gravity collapse and was compared to velgrynd .
A Parallel Existence and she had casted several Gravity Collapses rather than pouring into one any one of them were superior to Carrera whom only manage one. But alright.
4.Of course thats why I said pending certain conditions .But that was before zegion's evolution after evolution he should be at least slightly better .
I don't think he's beating his master regardless. Maybe in duel with restrictions but not in an al out fight. But yeah Zegion's a monster. He's so optimized and efficient that he has True Dragon level power despite his energy levels being several times smaller than those on that level.
 
Just gonna throw out my current list for characters. And because someone is above or below doesn't mean that the difference is great.

1. Milim
2. Feldway
3. Chloe
4. Rimuru
5. Guy
6. Rudra
7. Velzatd
8. Michael
9. Zelanus
10. Velgrynd
For me it's :(No ivarage or Veldanava cause they lack feats )
1.Feldway
2.Milim
3.Rimuru
4.Chloe*
5.Guy
6.Velzard
7.Rudra*
8.Michael
9.Zelanus*
10.Velgrynd
11.Veldora
12.The mad king of Titan
13.Dagruel( Was stated that his skill level is superior to Fenn .and Fenn can't control his energy perfectly )
14 .Fenn
15.Many candidates .
 
Oh yeah I think a lot of people could beat Rimuru before V1. Even after still quite a bit
Hmm there's another statement which says if Fenn could control his True dragon level energy perfectly he would've killed Ultima .

So I think while really strong in terms of raw power he is inferior to ultima in terms of skill .(Probably because he was chained up all the time 😅)
 
Hmm there's another statement which says if Fenn could control his True dragon level energy perfectly he would've killed Ultima .

So I think while really strong in terms of raw power he is inferior to ultima in terms of skill .(Probably because he was chained up all the time 😅)
Btw i hate the fact that i have to wait for a year again just cuz i need to confirm about veldora time and space leap does he use speed or nah and cosmology😭.. and i realy cant wait shion Vs dagruel and veldora vs ashura mode fuse 3 giant titan.. and about the world rimuru in..
 
Hmm there's another statement which says if Fenn could control his True dragon level energy perfectly he would've killed Ultima .

So I think while really strong in terms of raw power he is inferior to ultima in terms of skill .(Probably because he was chained up all the time 😅)
Bruh imagine Glassword had Fenn's energy levels. Or imagine his skill was closer to Zegion's or something, even if his current energy level he'd be nearly untouchable. Well assuming he also had powerful skills.
 
For me it's :(No ivarage or Veldanava cause they lack feats )
1.Feldway
2.Milim
3.Rimuru
4.Chloe*
5.Guy
6.Velzard
7.Rudra*
8.Michael
9.Zelanus*
10.Velgrynd
11.Veldora
12.The mad king of Titan
13.Dagruel( Was stated that his skill level is superior to Fenn .and Fenn can't control his energy perfectly )
14 .Fenn
15.Many candidates .
Chloe is one I probably wouldn't change but Rimuru does have a better feat currently. Although I doubt Rimuru got stronger in one volume so I ses her above him still. Personally I could see Chloe beating anyone.

Guy, Prime Rudra, and Velzard are pretty interchangeable for me.

I had Zelanus above Michael because I think Full Power Base Milim is likely stronger than Rimuru. She definitely has better statements. And he fought evenly and took her strongest attack with little damage which he only received because he tried to eat the Drago Nova. He did all that without going all out too. I think Milim would probably have to use Wrathful King to decisively win.

Based on Ramiris I'd probably have the Evil God above Veldora. Especially since Veldora is fighting just Dagruel right now. In fact my calculations show that it'd have 103,372,360 EP. On top of Glassword's skill level. Sounds disgusting but I'm sure we'll see.

Fair list
 
Just gonna throw out my current list for characters. And because someone is above or below doesn't mean that the difference is great.

1. Milim
2. Feldway
3. Chloe
4. Rimuru
5. Guy
6. Rudra
7. Velzatd
8. Michael
9. Zelanus
10. Velgrynd
overall I agree, but I think Guy is superior to Rimuru, Guy was able to fight for 7 days and 7 nights with Milim while Rimuru didn't seem to take that much, he would probably get tired before, Feldway is probably superior to Milim, especially if he uses the BFR on her, Michael I would rank below Zelanus for the glaring difference in technical skills, and if you consider that Velgrynd already moves in the suspended world then yes, but if not, Veldora would take the place
 
For me it's :(No ivarage or Veldanava cause they lack feats )
1.Feldway
2.Milim
3.Rimuru
4.Chloe*
5.Guy
6.Velzard
7.Rudra*
8.Michael
9.Zelanus*
10.Velgrynd
11.Veldora
12.The mad king of Titan
13.Dagruel( Was stated that his skill level is superior to Fenn .and Fenn can't control his energy perfectly )
14 .Fenn
15.Many candidates .
I understand that her position is still high, but I still think she is being underestimated, her spacetime god evolution most likely gave her Michael's powers as well as Rimuru and Feldway so I think she is one of the only ones that would give Feldway work
 
Btw i hate the fact that i have to wait for a year again just cuz i need to confirm about veldora time and space leap does he use speed or nah and cosmology😭.. and i realy cant wait shion Vs dagruel and veldora vs ashura mode fuse 3 giant titan.. and about the world rimuru in..
He uses the information particle, Ultima passed the information particle coordinate to Veldora and he went there using it, the jump is beyond time and space because that's how the information particle moves
 
I understand that her position is still high, but I still think she is being underestimated, her spacetime god evolution most likely gave her Michael's powers as well as Rimuru and Feldway so I think she is one of the only ones that would give Feldway work
Well I wanted to be safe so put an( *) .The one that have * beside them are chars that I am not sure where to place them .

Apart from defeating Michael's parallel existence effortlessly she has only been resting and sleeping .

Well I can definitely see her giving Feldway hard time .The BFR probably won't even work due to her spacetime God .
 
Btw i hate the fact that i have to wait for a year again just cuz i need to confirm about veldora time and space leap does he use speed or nah and cosmology😭.. and i realy cant wait shion Vs dagruel and veldora vs ashura mode fuse 3 giant titan.. and about the world rimuru in..
For me the most important things now are, to explain the difference between digital beings and spiritual beings (since Draguel showed not to have that much difference)

Cosmology, (I honestly just want a definitive answer, how many worlds are there? tens, thousands or infinite? Is there a higher world like the possible world that Velgrynd visited?)

worlds is it a planet or a universe? (this would be really good if it were answered)

Origin of Veldanava and the creation of the universe

And what will become of Ivaraj

I hope Fuse can explain all this without sounding like he's rushing things
 
Well I wanted to be safe so put an( *) .The one that have * beside them are chars that I am not sure where to place them .

Apart from defeating Michael's parallel existence effortlessly she has only been resting and sleeping .

Well I can definitely see her giving Feldway hard time .The BFR probably won't even work due to her spacetime God .
Oh I didn't understand the meaning of (*) so I thought it was just a correction so it was a good list

yes, although I didn't really understand what Fuse meant by emphasizing that it was a 20% power existence, physical ability is useless in the suspended world, defense is useless in the suspended world, Michael's skills are useless in the suspended world, speed of digital beings are the same so also then would not give more speed, what would really change if it was Michael 100% would be another beating in the same way, I think he did it just to make an excuse for Michael to be alive and discredit Chloe

And yes, I don't see BFR working on Chloe and so far all the skills that Feldway has, Chloe does too, but I wonder if Feldway doesn't have some ultimate skill of her own, we know angels don't need it because they can already manage the world without it, but the ultimate skills aren't just for changing the laws, it must have a hidden one and the end of space-time must be a sub-skill maybe
 
For me the most important things now are, to explain the difference between digital beings and spiritual beings (since Draguel showed not to have that much difference)

Cosmology, (I honestly just want a definitive answer, how many worlds are there? tens, thousands or infinite? Is there a higher world like the possible world that Velgrynd visited?)

worlds is it a planet or a universe? (this would be really good if it were answered)

Origin of Veldanava and the creation of the universe

And what will become of Ivaraj

I hope Fuse can explain all this without sounding like he's rushing things
Of all this, what I want to know the most is the difference between digital lifeform and spiritual lifeform, what can happen is actually to be revealed that Dagruel is also a digital lifeform, so it can move, and the reason it doesn't use infinite speed is because it just didn't want to, which is plausible with the context, as for Veldora also being able to move, it could have been Ciel's work helping or informing about the time stop, I don't know, either it's something like that or Fuse will give some new explanation, or he will simply ignore the rules he built and leave it at that

Cosmology I think is very likely to be explained now or at the end of the series, to be 2-A it would have to be confirmed that it is infinite worlds, since the world is not infinite in size was already discarded in volume 17, but I think it will stick with the description of "uncountable" anyway, what 2-B would be, we'll find out in the next few days when the translation of volume 15 comes out (by the way it's a shame no one had time to apply the updates from volume 14 in profiles)

Veldanava was probably born out of nowhere, but it's intriguing to think that the palace existed before him (please don't be anything involving Rimuru), universe creation should be something like WN, using spirits and maybe TD 1 will come to Rimuru LN if all goes well

Ivaraj I don't know if we will have an answer, Ivaraj has only gained consciousness now, so not even he must know his own origin

Maybe don't be rushed, volume 20 had more than 400 pages, if Fuse keeps that size in the next volumes then it can be good, I just hope the final villain has a satisfying outcome, different from Yuuki and Michael
 
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Of all this, what I want to know the most is the difference between digital lifeform and spiritual lifeform, what can happen is actually to be revealed that Dagruel is also a digital lifeform, so it can move, and the reason it doesn't use infinite speed is because it just didn't want to, which is plausible with the context, as for Veldora also being able to move, it could have been Ciel's work helping or informing about the time stop, I don't know, either it's something like that or Fuse will give some new explanation, or he will simply ignore the rules he built and leave it at that

Cosmology I think is very likely to be explained now or at the end of the series, to be 2-A it would have to be confirmed that it is infinite worlds, since the world being of infinite size was already discarded in volume 17, but I think it will stick with the description of "uncountable" anyway, what 2-B would be, we'll find out in the next few days when the translation of volume 15 comes out (by the way it's a shame no one had time to apply the updates from volume 14 in profiles)

Veldanava was probably born out of nowhere, but it's intriguing to think that the palace existed before him (please don't be anything involving Rimuru), universe creation should be something like WN, using spirits and maybe TD 1 will come to Rimuru LN if all goes well

Ivaraj I don't know if we will have an answer, Ivaraj has only gained consciousness now, so not even he must know his own origin

Maybe don't be rushed, volume 20 had more than 400 pages, if Fuse keeps that size in the next volumes then it can be good, I just hope the final villain has a satisfying outcome, different from Yuuki and Michael
honestly I see very well fuse applying immeasurable speed in the LN, mainly because statements like "transcend space-time" are common, and the chance only increases if Rimuru manages to get out of the end times using speed

Cosmology I still have hope for something greater that 2-B, something like 2-A or probably low 1-C, this would be quite plausible given some statements from Vol 15 and 17.

Another hope is that duality in LN is explained enough for TD 2, ( I believe in you Fuse 🙏). I hope that Ivaraj is really the final villain, worthy of the title destroyer of worlds (universes), but I'm still afraid of a possible forced return of Yuki
 
overall I agree, but I think Guy is superior to Rimuru, Guy was able to fight for 7 days and 7 nights with Milim while Rimuru didn't seem to take that much, he would probably get tired before, Feldway is probably superior to Milim, especially if he uses the BFR on her, Michael I would rank below Zelanus for the glaring difference in technical skills, and if you consider that Velgrynd already moves in the suspended world then yes, but if not, Veldora would take the place
Rimuru does have inexhaustible energy from Turn Null and overflow from Veldora plus he uses his reserves from True Dragon Release if necessary. So I don't think he'd get tired from fighting Milim since he has significantly more energy than Guy. Guy is definitely more skilled than Rimuru though. But I believe Rimuru could last that long as well but I don't think Ciel or Rimuru would allow the fight to go that long. Because they fight with maximum efficiency and the planet would be at risk.

So I could move Guy, Rimuru, Rudra, and Velzard around.

Feldway could probably beat Milim, I just doubt he's stronger than her atm.
 
honestly I see very well fuse applying immeasurable speed in the LN, mainly because statements like "transcend space-time" are common, and the chance only increases if Rimuru manages to get out of the end times using speed

Cosmology I still have hope for something greater that 2-B, something like 2-A or probably low 1-C, this would be quite plausible given some statements from Vol 15 and 17.

Another hope is that duality in LN is explained enough for TD 2, ( I believe in you Fuse 🙏). I hope that Ivaraj is really the final villain, worthy of the title destroyer of worlds (universes), but I'm still afraid of a possible forced return of Yuki
immeasurable speed I still believe it has, even if limited, only it was strange that Fuse didn't detail the speed of any godtier (or on purpose perhaps?)

I still don't think the information is enough for 1-C so I'll keep thinking it's 2-B, but no one fits that cosmology anyway

TD 2 at the end of the series would be cool, it wouldn't be something that would spoil the story or something
 
Rimuru does have inexhaustible energy from Turn Null and overflow from Veldora plus he uses his reserves from True Dragon Release if necessary. So I don't think he'd get tired from fighting Milim since he has significantly more energy than Guy. Guy is definitely more skilled than Rimuru though. But I believe Rimuru could last that long as well but I don't think Ciel or Rimuru would allow the fight to go that long. Because they fight with maximum efficiency and the planet would be at risk.

So I could move Guy, Rimuru, Rudra, and Velzard around.

Feldway could probably beat Milim, I just doubt he's stronger than her atm.
were good points, but for now I don't think Rimuru would use any of these things on the character, turn null at least he doesn't seem to be able to substitute his magiculas yet and he says he feels more and more exhausted facing Milim, and well, it was not specified what Guy's state was after he finished facing Milim, but it was still 7 days and 7 nights, ignoring the stamina case, he still managed to hold Milim protecting the planet and obviously unwillingly to kill Veldanava's daughter, I think if Guy has a one-shot technique like Chloe for example I think he would have a chance, long term battle against Ciel really is a headache

But I would also really put them pretty evenly matched, in fact the top 7 are pretty close to each other in power
 
were good points, but for now I don't think Rimuru would use any of these things on the character, turn null at least he doesn't seem to be able to substitute his magiculas yet and he says he feels more and more exhausted facing Milim, and well, it was not specified what Guy's state was after he finished facing Milim, but it was still 7 days and 7 nights, ignoring the stamina case, he still managed to hold Milim protecting the planet and obviously unwillingly to kill Veldanava's daughter, I think if Guy has a one-shot technique like Chloe for example I think he would have a chance, long term battle against Ciel really is a headache
Well Guy wasn't protecting the planet, that was Velzard, Rain, Misery, and Dagruel. Maybe he was minimizing his own damage but he definitely didn't have the luxury to protect anything.

But I would also really put them pretty evenly matched, in fact the top 7 are pretty close to each other in power
Yep
 
Well Guy wasn't protecting the planet, that was Velzard, Rain, Misery, and Dagruel. Maybe he was minimizing his own damage but he definitely didn't have the luxury to protect anything.
true, although Rimuru's case is similar, with the difference that it was just Velgrynd protecting and Milim hadn't unleashed all the suppressed power against Rimuru yet.
 
Bawhahaah

I hope Fuse could stick it to Supersonic Majority speed, with a couple of Relativistic+ and 1% Infinite/Immeasurable

So the likes of Ichigo or Boruto would speed blitz 80% of the verse
 
Bawhahaah

I hope Fuse could stick it to Supersonic Majority speed, with a couple of Relativistic+ and 1% Infinite/Immeasurable

So the likes of Ichigo or Boruto would speed blitz 80% of the verse
Before they can even blitz they'll have to deal with 6-7 passives .

Lmao even Mikey from TR and according to some extraordinary genius people's calc even Ayanokoji will blitz 80% of the verse otherwise
 
Btw i kinda wanna see Zegi vs Zela i wnna see Zegi in action.. well ik prolly he will have to protect the Labyrinth and fight with vega(My prediction is vega became the 6th TD just like zero in WN and also there us some similiarity between them.. They both has azi dahaka) and vega would prolly be stronger surpassed trio demons. But if that the case i hope Zegi go solo in action unlike the WN 4 vs 1... Prolly dino also gonna help Zegi.. cuz dino commanded to go with vega so yeah prolly my theory will be true... But i need some feats for zegi beating zela 1 on 1 cuz zegi only has statement thats hes strong but no particulary feats that can proof that.. and for beni he prolly would rematched with jahil 1v1 i hope so....
 
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