Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Peak]

She was the cause at that time but not originally. Because Masayuki didn't start to really resemble him until later when we hear about it in V13. Remeber that he randomly crossed over. Although because she affected history technically she was always there but obviously time works relatively. The story treats Velgrynd's escapes both as they already happened and they changing concurrently depending on the situation and perspective.

Regardless of how you look at it. Masayuki is not Rudra just like how the other reincarnations aren't him. They just have some of him within them. And remember that you can have multiple instances of a being in the same spacetime BUT just like with Chloe and Hinata they become dormant. Which is probably why there was no sign of it until much later in the story.

What's more confusing or just odd is that Rudra's fragment was probably inside Masayuki since he was born....and I guess it affected his appearance to resemble Rudra. But why would that be the case? We know that based on his skill, King of Heroes that Masayuki was destined or chosen by the world to be a backup for Rudra. I wonder if that was Veldanava's doing or If the World System deemed a necessary system to maintain the existence of the first Hero and disciple of Veldanava.

Idk there's a lot about Masayuki that's weird even disregarding Velgrynd

I think this whole mystery involving Masayuki is really cool and I think Veldanava has some kind of involvement in it too, actually I thought of something, if for some reason Masayuki manages to summon Veldanava, as he summons beings at their peak, will the skill be able to bring Veldanava before dropping his powers?

 

[ImmortalDread]

Peak common W

 

[ImmortalDread]

You have to play a lot to story stuff. Events story difficult as well. The Diablo one is very informative

Do you think we got a chance for a higher current tier tho?

 

[Community_Gamer]

Yes, the power scale is pretty stable, honestly, it's almost impossible for you to see someone with a top 10 that you agree with because it's not clear who is superior to whom, if I were to have any complaints, it would be the confusion related to speed and the information particle, but I think it's confusing because it's MTL straight from RAW, something I missed was Diablo in action as well, but I believe he, as well as Zegion will come into action as they are invading the labyrinth, and I believe Dino will be in trouble with Zegion's curse, or he might be able to handle that, Testarossa is missing too but she is in Ingracia so I think she will be sidelined again

I only wanted Diablo to have a pitched battle against Zalario but Fuse cucked that fight. Unfortunately I don't think Diablo participating in any other fight will interesting. Zegion's obviously gonna get his moment. He has plenty of great statements that confirm my placement and ideals about him. Testarossa does need a good fight and more supportive statement IF we are to believe she's Diablo's foil and top tier.

I'm not worried about the speed stuff because it hasn't contributed anything so its not affecting my enjoyment or scaling. Its only worth talking about for crossverse scaling. I just wish VSW recognized Inaccessible speed.

I think the path I would like was for Rimuru to stay at the end of space-time for a while, I don't think Fuse sent him there for nothing, if I were to say, I think Chloe's role will be to defeat one of the main villains, she winning Ivaraj, Zelanus or something like that would already make me satisfied, and I think Milim is the most special case in Tensura, since from what I remember she is the only one who can beat the godtiers with sheer raw power, I mean, Rimuru was shuddering just from facing Milim, this is sinister

I agree. I just want Chloe to continue the role she's been playing. Which I think she will, she's probably going to a time god at this point that can overcome any obstacle.

Also, do you think that with so many quotes of planets and stars being able to be destroyed so casually even in a "strong world" having a divine tree and the Veldanava system itself protecting does anything help on the possible 3-A statement in volume 17 or do you still think it's 4-C?

Definitely 4-C. Milim's the strongest enemy with the most mana and highest output from I deduced and she only threatening to destroy stars (not necessarily all at once). So I don't really see any room for universal since Guy, Rimuru, and Velgrynd all consider this a worthy threat.

I also wonder if HGR will be taken down with the information that destroying the core infinite regeneration won't work, what do you think of that?

HGR? I'm blanking

 

[Community_Gamer]

Well, I don't think Vega and Dino will be enough for this expedition, as Diablo is there, I think something else will happen for the Feldway side, besides, I'm curious for the next move from Feldway, he's definitely lost any sense of sanity, but I don't think he's going to ultimately destroy the world, this was just a distraction, not least because he wants to preserve the world of Veldanava and eliminate only those who live there

I think Fenn, Dagruel and Glassord can merge and take on Veldora, Fenn was having work with Ultima and Adalman/Wenti and Glassord was held up by Albert so I don't think they will be much Useful in battle if they don't merge, on the other hand, Veldora is absurd, I don't think Dagruel can handle it, Ramiris I think she should be able to really calm Milim down again, I don't see anyone else there free to do that, Guy is busy with Velzard, Veldora with Dagruel, Velgrynd wouldn't be able to besides that the planet wouldn't resist, we have Chloe who can reverse Milim even when she was calm too, but the options to stop Milim are few

I'd rather Milim find control herself and her fight Feldway or something. The Evil God seems stronger than Veldora at least but weaker than Adult Ramiris. I'm not sure how well Dagruel will do against Veldora we don't know all of their abilities.

Fennir isn't really using Glepnir atm and won't win a battle of attrition against him especially when he has 53,372,360 EP.

Glassword seemed to weak to me when I was reading and thinking about the lore but then they revealed he had sealed his power. Due has energy rivaling Carrera and Rimuru which makes more sense. Albert is holding on but losing. Skill and experience wouldn't save him here.

Honestly I want Ramiris to fight the Evil God who wants to be a god killer and surpass the creator. She's the only other Mediator so it should be het. She's forgotten about that but she maintains balance in the world.

Inb4 Ramiris > Great Spirits

 

[Community_Gamer]

I think this whole mystery involving Masayuki is really cool and I think Veldanava has some kind of involvement in it too, actually I thought of something, if for some reason Masayuki manages to summon Veldanava, as he summons beings at their peak, will the skill be able to bring Veldanava before dropping his powers?

Probably not since Masayuki is providing for their powers by creating Digital Lifeforms versions of them. They aren't the real entity and besides Rudra was one that really summoned them. Veldanava is to sizable of an existence for him to handle besides it ruins the story

 

[Community_Gamer]

Do you think we got a chance for a higher current tier tho?

No not at all, not from what I've seen

 

[Peak]

I only wanted Diablo to have a pitched battle against Zalario but Fuse cucked that fight. Unfortunately I don't think Diablo participating in any other fight will interesting. Zegion's obviously gonna get his moment.

It's been so long since Diablo has had a good fight that I don't even know what level he is anymore, if Diablo is as powerful as Zalario, then he would be close to Leon's level, honestly I expect more from him, so i want him to have some proper fight

Testarossa does need a good fight and more supportive statement IF we are to believe she's Diablo's foil and top tier.

I don't think she is stronger than Diablo, although they are comparable, I have more doubts about Carrera, but with that Kondou weapon I even question if Carrera is top 1 or 2 of Rimuru's subordinates, at times it even seemed like she's superior to Zegion, I honestly don't know, but I'm actually happy with how Fuse left Verse well matched in power

I'm not worried about the speed stuff because it hasn't contributed anything so its not affecting my enjoyment or scaling. Its only worth talking about for crossverse scaling. I just wish VSW recognized Inaccessible speed.

Yes, actually, at least this was the 2nd best volume of Slime, it was really a full plate for Tensura fans, I'm just scared if the story ends up being rushed as Fuse confirmed there are only 2 volumes left, about speed, I don't really say about it itself, I think it's going to be infinite combat speed, but my biggest doubt is about the real difference between digital lifeform and spiritual lifeform, apparently both can move in the time stop and both can have the same speed interfering with the information, so I wanted to know what is the difference between them

Definitely 4-C. Milim's the strongest enemy with the most mana and highest output from I deduced and she only threatening to destroy stars (not necessarily all at once). So I don't really see any room for universal since Guy, Rimuru, and Velgrynd all consider this a worthy threat.

Yes, it's definitely stellar at best, at least in the cardinal world, since Velgrynd's statement is about destroying "weak worlds" by releasing all the force, but true dragons can already do that in the cardinal world which is a "strong world", maybe there's something to be discussed about it when we release good translations

HGR? I'm blanking

high-godly regeneration, we know that Rimuru has it because it was said by Raphael that he can regenerate his soul and physical body even receiving the meltslash, that's because he has infinite regeneration, but in volume 20 it was said that Shion (who also has infinite regeneration) cannot regenerate if his heart (core) is destroyed, wouldn't that be mid-godly regeneration? Also because infinite regeneration also only works because the skill is stored in the core too

 

[Peak]

I'd rather Milim find control herself and her fight Feldway or something. The Evil God seems stronger than Veldora at least but weaker than Adult Ramiris. I'm not sure how well Dagruel will do against Veldora we don't know all of their abilities.

We can't rule out that Ramiris may be overestimating herself as she usually does too, as this is often used as a comedy

Fennir isn't really using Glepnir atm and won't win a battle of attrition against him especially when he has 53,372,360 EP.

Glassword seemed to weak to me when I was reading and thinking about the lore but then they revealed he had sealed his power. Due has energy rivaling Carrera and Rimuru which makes more sense. Albert is holding on but losing. Skill and experience wouldn't save him here.

True, I also wonder if he can move on time stop

Glassord won by difference in energy and raw power I think, Albert may be more skilled than Benimaru and Agera in the sword by the looks of it, the trio Adalman is wonderful, a being of less than 1M competing for some time against a being of 10M

Honestly I want Ramiris to fight the Evil God who wants to be a god killer and surpass the creator. She's the only other Mediator so it should be het. She's forgotten about that but she maintains balance in the world.

Inb4 Ramiris > Great Spirits

I think she'll only be able to do something with some help, I just can't imagine who, I'd like to see Velgrynd fighting seriously after her evolution too, but it looks like I won't

 

[Peak]

Probably not since Masayuki is providing for their powers by creating Digital Lifeforms versions of them. They aren't the real entity and besides Rudra was one that really summoned them. Veldanava is to sizable of an existence for him to handle besides it ruins the story

That's what I thought, Masayuki's power is still part of the system so I think it's more likely that he can only bring it to the peak of the system itself

 

[luis3333]

What are the 10 strongest characters today?

 

[Peak]

What are the 10 strongest characters today?

very difficult question, I think each one has a different list because the godtiers are well balanced, but for now i leave it like this and i can change over time

1-Veldanava
2-Feldway
3-Ivaraj
4-Milim
5-Chloe
6-Guy
7-Masayuki/Rudra prime
8-Rimuru
9-Velzard
10-Zelanus

Actually, I don't know if Rimuru is above or below Guy, but Guy managed to suppress Milim for about 3 days as I recall while Rimuru was barely hanging on for a few hours, and Masayuki/Rudra prime is probably equal to or better than Guy I think

 

[LoganKroos]

very difficult question, I think each one has a different list because the godtiers are well balanced, but for now i leave it like this and i can change over time


Actually, I don't know if Rimuru is above or below Guy, but Guy managed to suppress Milim for about 3 days as I recall while Rimuru was barely hanging on for a few hours, and Masayuki/Rudra prime is probably equal to or better than Guy I think

Rudra at his peak is the same level as Fedway, don't forget that even nerfed he is easily stronger than Fedway's secondary body in addition to being comparable to true dragons, when he is at the peak of his ep with uriel and the new skill of masayuki he can easily be the strongest after veldanava, he is not god's apprentice and favorite for nothing

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

very difficult question, I think each one has a different list because the godtiers are well balanced, but for now i leave it like this and i can change over time


Actually, I don't know if Rimuru is above or below Guy, but Guy managed to suppress Milim for about 3 days as I recall while Rimuru was barely hanging on for a few hours, and Masayuki/Rudra prime is probably equal to or better than Guy I think

May I know the best haxes of them. Kinda curious

 

[Community_Gamer]

It's been so long since Diablo has had a good fight that I don't even know what level he is anymore, if Diablo is as powerful as Zalario, then he would be close to Leon's level, honestly I expect more from him, so i want him to have some proper fight

I don't Leon is as strong as Zalario. Zalario was holding back quite a bit and was reluctant to fight. They are only comparable in their fighting ability and Zalario doesn't rely on skills (mainly because he didn't have one) so Leon is more proficient with his skills in comparison. Also Zalario's ultimate attack surpassed Leon's and Soei's combined.

For reference: Zalario >= Zegion > Zess > Carrera >= Diablo (mainly just Rimuru hype)

Diablo is kind of implied to be around Leon's level from V18. Maybe slightly higher but I don't think by much. But Leon's abilities are a direct counter to demons so that's not surprising especially with his new US.

I don't think she is stronger than Diablo, although they are comparable, I have more doubts about Carrera, but with that Kondou weapon I even question if Carrera is top 1 or 2 of Rimuru's subordinates, at times it even seemed like she's superior to Zegion, I honestly don't know, but I'm actually happy with how Fuse left Verse well matched in power

I don't Testarossa is stronger than Diablo but she similar hype like him and interesting implications about her power. At least up to V16. Anyways we'll see. Carrera has always been best in my mind. Not the best fighter but definitely the strongest. She has only been increasing her skill level and ability since evolving. If she reaches Zegion's level then she'll definitely be the strongest under Rimuru. I wouldn't be surprised if she can fight evenly with Veldora. For now I have her #2, Zegion is clearly #1.

Yes, actually, at least this was the 2nd best volume of Slime, it was really a full plate for Tensura fans, I'm just scared if the story ends up being rushed as Fuse confirmed there are only 2 volumes left, about speed, I don't really say about it itself, I think it's going to be infinite combat speed, but my biggest doubt is about the real difference between digital lifeform and spiritual lifeform, apparently both can move in the time stop and both can have the same speed interfering with the information, so I wanted to know what is the difference between them

Speed is all about the manipulation of information particles. If Dagruel can manipulate information particles as easily as in Suspended World that'd explain his movements. Information Particles always exist but its easier to transfer and discover their position because no other particles will have activity or movement when time is stopped. I don't know if Fuse will develop this further. It makes you wonder how Chloe completely blitzed Rimuru and Ciel for example.

I don't know where he confirmed two volumes. He changes his mind a lot and didn't say anything in this Afterword.

high-godly regeneration, we know that Rimuru has it because it was said by Raphael that he can regenerate his soul and physical body even receiving the meltslash, that's because he has infinite regeneration, but in volume 20 it was said that Shion (who also has infinite regeneration) cannot regenerate if his heart (core) is destroyed, wouldn't that be mid-godly regeneration? Also because infinite regeneration also only works because the skill is stored in the core too

No one can regenerate if their core is erased because that's core of who they are. And only True Dragons and Primordials can come back if they core is destroyed. So it may sense that Rimuru wouldn't be able to come back from that.

 

[Community_Gamer]

We can't rule out that Ramiris may be overestimating herself as she usually does too, as this is often used as a comedy

Normally that's what I would've thought of but Benimaru is taking her words seriously about the Evil God's power. And with this being brought through exposition from Ramiris it'd make sense if it were true. Especially when think Rimuru asking for Ramiris. It reinforces that Ramiris had to be strong to interfere like she did in the past. Being the presence of Milim and Guy's full power ain't no joke.

On of that I think Fuse is setting Ramiris up. Veldora us no longer with her, I think Diablo will leave for one reason or another. After all Luminas could use more help. Feldway is probably going to attack some else too. Ramiris is going to be in similar head space as V16. I also think it was interesting that Ramiris spoke Rimuru last.

His disappearance is more dire and concerning this time over the WN. We are in the climax and there several unchecked and unaccounted dangers. Feldway, Milim, Zelanus, Ivarage, Jahil and potentially Evil God returning.

Glassord won by difference in energy and raw power I think, Albert may be more skilled than Benimaru and Agera in the sword by the looks of it, the trio Adalman is wonderful, a being of less than 1M competing for some time against a being of 10M

Glassord is pretty impressive for understanding the importance of not relying on purely but yeah Luminas already said that Albert would lose either way.
Benimaru has already been confirmed to above Albert in skill. Benimaru above Hakuro, Hinata, and Rimuru. Rimuru thinks Feldway is at best comparable to Benimaru. Albert is just above Hakuro. Agera wasn't above Kondou whom was inferior to Hakuro until his last attack against Carrera where he surpassed him.

Fused Adalmann was definitely capping when he said he wouldn't lose to anyone besides Benimaru, Zegion, and Diablo. I don't like the implication that Benimaru top 3 either. I like him a pillar because of his talents as general and leader. He's only one who could command the Patrons and it actually be successful. But he's clearly weaker than Carrera and even Ultima has better feats especially this volume. So odd statement, I don't want Fuse to force Benimaru to be top 3 like WN. That was weird and unnatural.

I think she'll only be able to do something with some help, I just can't imagine who, I'd like to see Velgrynd fighting seriously after her evolution too, but it looks like I won't

I love best dragon Velgrynd but honestly I know everything about her and her abilities that I don't need her to fight. Just helpful is enough. I just like her having screen time is enough. I don't think she'll fight anyone stronger than Feldway. She was minimizing damage to planet, but hey maybe she'll fight Milim for a bit. Although I don't think temporary body Feldway could do that and she's weaker than him. Then again I could underestimating that Feldway especially he still would have Michael's powers minus the DFs. And that Feldway was only shown inferior to Rudra but not completely. Since he didn't go all out, relied on Castle Guard, and was only critically injured nothing more.

 

[Community_Gamer]

very difficult question, I think each one has a different list because the godtiers are well balanced, but for now i leave it like this and i can change over time


Actually, I don't know if Rimuru is above or below Guy, but Guy managed to suppress Milim for about 3 days as I recall while Rimuru was barely hanging on for a few hours, and Masayuki/Rudra prime is probably equal to or better than Guy I think

I don't think Ivarage has the scaling to above Milim although he may later. He probably won't have as much energy as Milim. I don't think anyone will.

And funny enough Velzard fought Milim longer Rimuru and wasn't really shook or impressed by her full power. She was minimizing the damage while fighting her. Velzard definitely on same level as Guy and Rudra. She's probably slightly inferior due to Guy's immense skill level. Because we know she's over twice as strong as him. Guy is literally like Ultima fighting Fenn but better.

Inb4 Chloe obliterates Feldway and Zelanus eats him.

 

[JV_DLS]

So Rimuru was sent to the end of the times Hum, in WN when this happened Rimuru left from there extremely op, although I do not think this will happen in the LN

(unless the fuse make you stay there until the end of the story, which would ever be interesting since Rimuru would not have to end the fights or be sure of victory for being the protagonist as it was on Vol 19, allowing his subordinates to evolve even more alone)

I think at least we can know more about Slime's cosmology, because at this point in WN was revealed about the worlds created by Veldanava, and meanwhile it was mentioned by Velgrynd in Vol 17, it would also make sense to be mentioned again on the Vol 21, because Rimuru needs to find a way to get out of this world, either to transcend space-time get out of there with a true immeasurable speed (not probably limited now) or he use the same ability or a skill similar to Velgrynd, analyzing information from other worlds to get out of there, now as a DLF that can not only analyze and manipulate Information particles, but they are also made of them

it would also be interesting if the end of time rather than in WN where it was only a world where space and time ceased, it was a 5D dimension where the possible uncertainty from where and when, it would be because the world transcends space-time

 

[Zegion]

very difficult question, I think each one has a different list because the godtiers are well balanced, but for now i leave it like this and i can change over time


Actually, I don't know if Rimuru is above or below Guy, but Guy managed to suppress Milim for about 3 days as I recall while Rimuru was barely hanging on for a few hours, and Masayuki/Rudra prime is probably equal to or better than Guy I think

Ivaraj that high? Did he do something in volume 20?

 

[Community_Gamer]

So Rimuru was sent to the end of the times Hum, in WN when this happened Rimuru left from there extremely op, although I do not think this will happen in the LN

(unless the fuse make you stay there until the end of the story, which would ever be interesting since Rimuru would not have to end the fights or be sure of victory for being the protagonist as it was on Vol 19, allowing his subordinates to evolve even more alone)

I think at least we can know more about Slime's cosmology, because at this point in WN was revealed about the worlds created by Veldanava, and meanwhile it was mentioned by Velgrynd in Vol 17, it would also make sense to be mentioned again on the Vol 21, because Rimuru needs to find a way to get out of this world, either to transcend space-time get out of there with a true immeasurable speed (not probably limited now) or he use the same ability or a skill similar to Velgrynd, analyzing information from other worlds to get out of there, now as a DLF that can not only analyze and manipulate Information particles, but they are also made of them

it would also be interesting if the end of time rather than in WN where it was only a world where space and time ceased, it was a 5D dimension where the possible uncertainty from where and when, it would be because the world transcends space-time

Hopefully the LN doesn't run on entropy like WN. The of time and space wasn't even actually the end in a metaphysical sense. Just to stopping of expansion of space-time.

Anyways I'm not sure if well Fuse will use Rimuru but I don't really need him to anything in the war. But he'll probably defeat Feldway.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Ivaraj that high? Did he do something in volume 20?

No. I think it's mainly assumptions about his evolution. We don't actually know how strong he is currently.

 

[Zegion]

No. I think it's mainly assumptions about his evolution. We don't actually know how strong he is currently.

Here i thought he did something bro's been hyped up too much

 

[Zegion]

Btw does anyone have any idea where most of the insectar generals scales to?

 

[JV_DLS]

Hopefully the LN doesn't run on entropy like WN. The of time and space wasn't even actually the end in a metaphysical sense. Just to stopping of expansion of space-time.

Anyways I'm not sure if well Fuse will use Rimuru but I don't really need him to anything in the war. But he'll probably defeat Feldway.

Really Rimuru is not necessary now, since it has Rudra, Chloe, Guy and Milim (when recovering totally) to face Feldway and the rest of the enemies, although I do not think any of them has power to end Feldway for now Chloe can use reverse destination.

And that's why it would be good, if Rimuru stayed out of battle for a while, taking the whole issue of the protagonist to win the villains at that moment, leaving this task for those who have no great made, like Diablo, Ramiris, Zegion and especially Benimaru, who disappointed me a little at LN.

So despite being cliché, I would like Rimuru to return only to face the last villain of work, where Rimuru despite being op (because I'm almost sure he'll be there for a long time, gaining skills) I wish he would suffer to defeat the final enemy, this is quite predictable but if done the right way would be good, Even because I don't see any other end, if not for rimuru beating the last villain for whatever reason

 

[Peak]

Rudra at his peak is the same level as Fedway, don't forget that even nerfed he is easily stronger than Fedway's secondary body in addition to being comparable to true dragons, when he is at the peak of his ep with uriel and the new skill of masayuki he can easily be the strongest after veldanava, he is not god's apprentice and favorite for nothing

yes, but the time he can stay using Masayuki's body is short, but inwardly I also put him up there

 

[Peak]

May I know the best haxes of them. Kinda curious

Most of the godtiers' hax are very satisfying, in the case of Masayuki, his skill passively manipulates luck, gives him the power to summon heroes in their prime in a fictional way and Masayuki can also let one of the most powerful beings in verse take control of his body

 

[Community_Gamer]

Really Rimuru is not necessary now, since it has Rudra, Chloe, Guy and Milim (when recovering totally) to face Feldway and the rest of the enemies, although I do not think any of them has power to end Feldway for now Chloe can use reverse destination.

Yeah however Chloe recovering from evolution and Rudra can't come out anymore, not for the time being. I do think Chloe can take care of everything herself too so it's good she's chilling rn.

And that's why it would be good, if Rimuru stayed out of battle for a while, taking the whole issue of the protagonist to win the villains at that moment, leaving this task for those who have no great made, like Diablo, Ramiris, Zegion and especially Benimaru, who disappointed me a little at LN.

I think Benimaru has done great. They really emphasized his intelligence, diligence, competence as a general, and his skill as a warrior. It doesn't feel nearly as forced WN where's he's just top 3 for no reason. He's more like top 5 or 6 which is good considering there 18 Million Class/Awakened Demon Lord class fighters in Tempest and 10 Demon Lord level figures. For a random orge in the forest he's griwth has been insane, not just physically but his influence as well.

I like that pretty much all the Demon Lords that have met him respect him. That goes for world leaders too. He's great.

So despite being cliché, I would like Rimuru to return only to face the last villain of work, where Rimuru despite being op (because I'm almost sure he'll be there for a long time, gaining skills) I wish he would suffer to defeat the final enemy, this is quite predictable but if done the right way would be good, Even because I don't see any other end, if not for rimuru beating the last villain for whatever reason

Inb4 Chloe and co beat everyone without him. I don't want them to fail against the finial villain only for him to solo. I wouldn't mind if he got the finishing blow or it was a collective effort. Or maybe it'll be strategic and coordinated not simply overpowering someone. I just don't want Rimuru to be the strongest. I want a close race with several contenders.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Btw does anyone have any idea where most of the insectar generals scales to?

All are at least Special S from what I gather. But they vary in strength quite a bit.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Most of the godtiers' hax are very satisfying, in the case of Masayuki, his skill passively manipulates luck, gives him the power to summon heroes in their prime in a fictional way and Masayuki can also let one of the most powerful beings in verse take control of his body

What's crazy is Prime Rudra is strong without relying on magicules. Or even much spiritual particles. Then again much like Secret of Faith and Grace, its obvious that the beliefs of trillions surpasses most things in series.

 

[Peak]

I don't Leon is as strong as Zalario. Zalario was holding back quite a bit and was reluctant to fight. They are only comparable in their fighting ability and Zalario doesn't rely on skills (mainly because he didn't have one) so Leon is more proficient with his skills in comparison. Also Zalario's ultimate attack surpassed Leon's and Soei's combined.

For reference: Zalario >= Zegion > Zess > Carrera >= Diablo (mainly just Rimuru hype)

Yes, but at the very least I would say Leon is comparable to Zalario

Anyway, why do you put Zess above Carrera when Carrera beat Zess and has a weapon that hit-killed Peliod (even if he was caught off guard) which was claimed superior to Zess and made Zelanus wary? Peliod I would even understand, but I don't see how Carrera could be below Carrera

Diablo is kind of implied to be around Leon's level from V18. Maybe slightly higher but I don't think by much. But Leon's abilities are a direct counter to demons so that's not surprising especially with his new US.

I can't disagree with that, but I don't know if Fuse will just let Diablo down so low, I think Diablo is Rimuru's most hyped subordinate

Speed is all about the manipulation of information particles. If Dagruel can manipulate information particles as easily as in Suspended World that'd explain his movements. Information Particles always exist but its easier to transfer and discover their position because no other particles will have activity or movement when time is stopped. I don't know if Fuse will develop this further. It makes you wonder how Chloe completely blitzed Rimuru and Ciel for example.

I don't know where he confirmed two volumes. He changes his mind a lot and didn't say anything in this Afterword

I agree with that too, about the two volumes, i had the source but i lost it, i'll try to find it later

No one can regenerate if their core is erased because that's core of who they are. And only True Dragons and Primordials can come back if they core is destroyed. So it may sense that Rimuru wouldn't be able to come back from that.

So in that case do you agree with me that Rimuru's regeneration should be downgraded?

 

[Peak]

Normally that's what I would've thought of but Benimaru is taking her words seriously about the Evil God's power. And with this being brought through exposition from Ramiris it'd make sense if it were true. Especially when think Rimuru asking for Ramiris. It reinforces that Ramiris had to be strong to interfere like she did in the past. Being the presence of Milim and Guy's full power ain't no joke.

On of that I think Fuse is setting Ramiris up. Veldora us no longer with her, I think Diablo will leave for one reason or another. After all Luminas could use more help. Feldway is probably going to attack some else too. Ramiris is going to be in similar head space as V16. I also think it was interesting that Ramiris spoke Rimuru last.

I wonder how something extreme like that would happen in the labyrinth, I say, Dino is strong, but the situation is still not very favorable, Vega I take a step back, I don't think he's a big deal, in Ingracia he was using the underground people and Testarossa and Hinata were restricted so as not to destroy the nation, so it was kind of unfavorable, for now i don't know if that will be enough, Feldway should send some reinforcement to the maze if Fuse wants to take advantage of Ramiris' potential

His disappearance is more dire and concerning this time over the WN. We are in the climax and there several unchecked and unaccounted dangers. Feldway, Milim, Zelanus, Ivarage, Jahil and potentially Evil God returning.

Yes, in the webnovel everything was resolved in one chapter because the enemy was only Yuuki, but now this situation becomes kind of impossible, even with Rimuru getting an upgrade, I doubt that Fuse would push it enough to the point where he would solve everything with ease, not after all the effort to balance things out

Glassord is pretty impressive for understanding the importance of not relying on purely but yeah Luminas already said that Albert would lose either way.
Benimaru has already been confirmed to above Albert in skill. Benimaru above Hakuro, Hinata, and Rimuru. Rimuru thinks Feldway is at best comparable to Benimaru. Albert is just above Hakuro. Agera wasn't above Kondou whom was inferior to Hakuro until his last attack against Carrera where he surpassed him.

Fused Adalmann was definitely capping when he said he wouldn't lose to anyone besides Benimaru, Zegion, and Diablo. I don't like the implication that Benimaru top 3 either. I like him a pillar because of his talents as general and leader. He's only one who could command the Patrons and it actually be successful. But he's clearly weaker than Carrera and even Ultima has better feats especially this volume. So odd statement, I don't want Fuse to force Benimaru to be top 3 like WN. That was weird and unnatural.

Ultima and Adalman went higher in my concept, I mean, I already liked both characters a lot, but I felt a greater value in them in relation to power in this new volume

I love best dragon Velgrynd but honestly I know everything about her and her abilities that I don't need her to fight. Just helpful is enough. I just like her having screen time is enough. I don't think she'll fight anyone stronger than Feldway. She was minimizing damage to planet, but hey maybe she'll fight Milim for a bit. Although I don't think temporary body Feldway could do that and she's weaker than him. Then again I could underestimating that Feldway especially he still would have Michael's powers minus the DFs. And that Feldway was only shown inferior to Rudra but not completely. Since he didn't go all out, relied on Castle Guard, and was only critically injured nothing more.

I wouldn't actually put her below Feldway in that body, Velgrynd was holding back so as not to destroy Ingracia and also worried about protecting Masayuki, she also lost by getting distracted by worrying about Masayuki kneeling down, and she was so limited in that moment that neither used any of her haxs nor parallel existence she could actually, so my fanatical Velgrynd side will defend her here, she was also stated to be able to suppress Milim for some time and at that point she was at 70% of her real strength, the difference being that she wouldn't be able to protect the planet in the process.

 

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Here i thought he did something bro's been hyped up too much

I'll answer the rest later because I'm out of time right now, but it's not even that I'm hyped, it's an estimate given the way they treat Ivaraj, at least I think he's the only one in the series who can reach the amount of energy of Milim

 

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For reference: Zalario >= Zegion > Zess > Carrera >= Diablo (mainly just Rimuru hype)

Diablo is clearly one and veldora second carrera 3rd even if carrera judjment bullet is broken Diablk isnt a guy that underastimated his opponent he would analyze the outcome and destroy hes enemy quickly while Zegion would Use hes US/Illusion before Carrera even relize..

 

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Diablo is clearly one and veldora second carrera 3rd even if carrera judjment bullet is broken Diablk isnt a guy that underastimated his opponent he would analyze the outcome and destroy hes enemy quickly while Zegion would Use hes US/Illusion before Carrera even relize..

For Zess and Period Carrera Still use prep time for period.. and Zess hes to underestimate hes opponent to much and dunno that Carrera has a trump Card.. and for now Beni could also wins fight agains Carrera if he use Prominence Acc but that gonna have to be A luck games if Beni misses those attack on carrera than carrera wins..

 

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So in that case do you agree with me that Rimuru's regeneration should be downgraded

Nahh Even that rimuru Can regenrate hes IP and soul,Skills.. and Rimuru also a true dragon and i dunno if this count but rkmuru should get Conceptual resistence due holding Veldora aura which almost erase rimuru Himself.. when rimuru wanna Ate veldora.. Cuz its stated than rimuru Body almost being erased From existence..

 

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Yes, but at the very least I would say Leon is comparable to Zalario

Leon EP likely Should be 19.000.000 can be low or higher thk sjnce it stated that not that far from zalario.. and leon still Below Diablo in term of strengh and experience more likely Diablo prolly hide hes true EP..So im guessing that hes true battle form like the WN can get a higher EP.

 

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Yes, but at the very least I would say Leon is comparable to Zalario

Nah. I don't think being able to output power over Soei and him combined would suggest otherwise as well the surrounding statements. They aren't comparable power wise. Leon and Soei even new they wouldn't be able to win.

Anyway, why do you put Zess above Carrera when Carrera beat Zess and has a weapon that hit-killed Peliod (even if he was caught off guard) which was claimed superior to Zess and made Zelanus wary? Peliod I would even understand, but I don't see how Carrera could be below Carrera

Carrera can beat Zess but she's not stronger than Zess and its not even clear that she would've one her battle of attrition. So overall I'd still have Zess above Carrera especially since Judgment is once a day (although she definitely used it multiple times in V15. I assume it was because of Kondo like it was in V20).

I can't disagree with that, but I don't know if Fuse will just let Diablo down so low, I think Diablo is Rimuru's most hyped subordinate

My problem is that Rimuru hypes up Diablo unreasonably at times. So the community is more inclined to believe Diablo can do just about anything some people really believed he could beat True Dragons. Diablo definitely up there among the top tiers but he's not even stomping the top of the top tiers.

I agree with that too, about the two volumes, i had the source but i lost it, i'll try to find it later

Ok

So in that case do you agree with me that Rimuru's regeneration should be downgraded?

Umm..maybe I'll have to look at definition and think about it

 

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I wonder how something extreme like that would happen in the labyrinth, I say, Dino is strong, but the situation is still not very favorable, Vega I take a step back, I don't think he's a big deal, in Ingracia he was using the underground people and Testarossa and Hinata were restricted so as not to destroy the nation, so it was kind of unfavorable, for now i don't know if that will be enough, Feldway should send some reinforcement to the maze if Fuse wants to take advantage of Ramiris' potential

Yeah I agree

Yes, in the webnovel everything was resolved in one chapter because the enemy was only Yuuki, but now this situation becomes kind of impossible, even with Rimuru getting an upgrade, I doubt that Fuse would push it enough to the point where he would solve everything with ease, not after all the effort to balance things out

Yeah I hope so

Ultima and Adalman went higher in my concept, I mean, I already liked both characters a lot, but I felt a greater value in them in relation to power in this new volume

Yeah they were good. But Gadra went harder in my opinion

I wouldn't actually put her below Feldway in that body, Velgrynd was holding back so as not to destroy Ingracia and also worried about protecting Masayuki, she also lost by getting distracted by worrying about Masayuki kneeling down, and she was so limited in that moment that neither used any of her haxs nor parallel existence she could actually, so my fanatical Velgrynd side will defend her here, she was also stated to be able to suppress Milim for some time and at that point she was at 70% of her real strength, the difference being that she wouldn't be able to protect the planet in the process.

The issue is that Velgrynd thought Phantom King was probably stronger than her in V17 and it blatantly says that Feldway had power surpassing Velgrynd AND Rudra says the Feldway was holding back because he didn't use JKM. Also a lot top and especially god tiers can control their destructive capabilities so its really a concern where they are fighting. Besides there was barrier up for the very purpose of minimizing damage.

Remember that 70% reference to energy reserves not strength. And that less important since Velgrynd learned to completely internalize energy consumption so unless she emitting energy out of body she doesn't run out of energy. Also she's able recover her energy from the atmosphere faster than before. Basically being a Parallel Existence doesn't change much besides a stamina.

I agree that its impressive that's she's minimizing damage. But we don't know how much and its not Milim was shooting Drago Nova's or Busters. Besides Rain, Misery, and Dagruel also helped stabilize the planet when Guy fought Milim. Along with Velzard too. Rain and Misery are complete fodder but they still helped. Dagruel is significantly weaker as well but he seemed more integral.

Velgrynd is my favorite True Dragon and one of my favorite characters but I'm not bias. I wouldn't mind her scaling higher but I think there's too much evidence saying she's weaker than Feldway regardless big AOE attacks. Those aren't even her most powerful attacks.

I think its more productive to scale temporary body Feldway higher. I think he ***** on Diablo and he was only really beat by someone on Milim/Guy's level. And even then he only left because he didn't except Castle Guard to have a weakness. Otherwise he scales to base Rimuru and above Carrera. It was also said that he's stronger than Zalario too. And thay he'd beat Fenn. So he's very strong.

 

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Diablo is clearly one and veldora second carrera 3rd even if carrera judjment bullet is broken Diablk isnt a guy that underastimated his opponent he would analyze the outcome and destroy hes enemy quickly while Zegion would Use hes US/Illusion before Carrera even relize..

I assume you you are serious. Well I'm not including god tiers so no Veldora. You do realize that Carrera can fight Zegion for days on end right? So clearly he's not just immediately beating her although she hasn't beaten him. She even says that she doesn't even scratch his body in their battles and Ultima confirms that Zegion one shots them if they are hit.

You are also acting like those people who just think Diablo can do anything because of hype. You can't say that Diablo would avoid something just because he's smart or a skilled fighter. None of characters we are talking about fight unintelligently or carelessly so let's throw that point out of the window. The Judgement Bullet is relativistic in speed if not lightspeed by some translation we'll have revised V15 soon. Regardless its not an attack can dodged or easily avoided. It can't really be blocked either. There's no build up either, so you literally don't know when she'll use it.

Anyways I don't actually want to get into Carrera vs Diablo or anything. My stance is that Diablo is all hype by which I mean that he needs better feats or more conclusive concrete and relevant statements. Carrera and Zegion simply are better in both categories. I'm saying Diablo isn't or is any level of strength. I'm saying he's too much of an unknown to really be meaningful. Testarossa is similar position except she just less statements and shitty matchups. Either too strong or too weak.

Also I hope you don't think Diablo can **** with Veldora.

 

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Leon EP likely Should be 19.000.000 can be low or higher thk sjnce it stated that not that far from zalario.. and leon still Below Diablo in term of strengh and experience more likely Diablo prolly hide hes true EP..So im guessing that hes true battle form like the WN can get a higher EP.

I think that a mistranslatuon. There were a lot of times it said things "weren't" or "were" something, when it meant the opposite.

It doesn't really make sense for Leon's EP to be that high and its odd that no one mentions its. Like that's True Dragon level of EP. Besides I don't he should've struggled with Slivia way the he did. As well as having over 4 times Dino's and over 3 times Luminas's EP doesn't seem right either.

Maybe if he was a Saint and Hero but he's not.

Its been consistent in the Octagram that the older members of them tend to have more energy. Which aligns with what Dagruel told Rimuru about how many years it took him and most to become demon lord and awakened demon lord level. Luminas talked about it too.

Another reason that I find it incomprehensible is how casually the Moderate Clown Troupe were treating him and Rimuru didn't have any reaction especially when they fought. He'd be ******** himself.