Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[rainheart]

I assume you you are serious. Well I'm not including god tiers so no Veldora. You do realize that Carrera can fight Zegion for days on end right? So clearly he's not just immediately beating her although she hasn't beaten him. She even says that she doesn't even scratch his body in their battles and Ultima confirms that Zegion one shots them if they are hit.

You are also acting like those people who just think Diablo can do anything because of hype. You can't say that Diablo would avoid something just because he's smart or a skilled fighter. None of characters we are talking about fight unintelligently or carelessly so let's throw that point out of the window. The Judgement Bullet is relativistic in speed if not lightspeed by some translation we'll have revised V15 soon. Regardless its not an attack can dodged or easily avoided. It can't really be blocked either. There's no build up either, so you literally don't know when she'll use it.

Anyways I don't actually want to get into Carrera vs Diablo or anything. My stance is that Diablo is all hype by which I mean that he needs better feats or more conclusive concrete and relevant statements. Carrera and Zegion simply are better in both categories. I'm saying Diablo isn't or is any level of strength. I'm saying he's too much of an unknown to really be meaningful. Testarossa is similar position except she just less statements and shitty matchups. Either too strong or too weak.

Also I hope you don't think Diablo can **** with Veldora.

I Mean zegi second typo Xd

 

[rainheart]

Also I hope you don't think Diablo can **** with Veldora.

Its just Typo.. But even so IM not hyping Diablo tho im more into beni or Zegi but even So Diablo is experience j. Fight even Guy and feldway hate him for always interupting.. and we dont even no can judgment bullet kill Diablo or know. If carrera dont use the judgment bullet quickly Diablo ciuld use hes World System skill Temptation World where he has the absolute control and Carrera cant fo a thing even with that Gun.. Yeah ik Judgment bullet is OP but im not overhyping that gun.. even Kondo sayd that its better to kill the enemy Off guard using Judgment bullet just like kkndou do to veldora veldora was ofguard.. Peliod also was ofguard about carrera existence and he died before even noticing Carrera... What carrera do is just killing two bugs and u guys overhyping that pistol

 

[rainheart]

I wonder how something extreme like that would happen in the labyrinth, I say, Dino is strong, but the situation is still not very favorable, Vega I take a step back, I don't think he's a big deal,

Vega would likely became 6th True dragon just like zero in WN..

 

[Catpija]

Diablo is clearly one and veldora second carrera 3rd even if carrera judjment bullet is broken Diablk isnt a guy that underastimated his opponent he would analyze the outcome and destroy hes enemy quickly while Zegion would Use hes US/Illusion before Carrera even relize..

Bro is delusional, how is Diablo above Veldora

 

[rainheart]

Bro is delusional, how is Diablo above Veldora

Typo i mean Zegi lol..

 

[rainheart]

Typo i mean Zegi lol..

And anyways im more Hyping about Shion US.. i hope it gonna be OP just like the WN..

 

[Community_Gamer]

Its just Typo.. But even so IM not hyping Diablo tho im more into beni or Zegi but even So Diablo is experience j. Fight even Guy and feldway hate him for always interupting.. and we dont even no can judgment bullet kill Diablo or know. If carrera dont use the judgment bullet quickly Diablo ciuld use hes World System skill Temptation World where he has the absolute control and Carrera cant fo a thing even with that Gun.. Yeah ik Judgment bullet is OP but im not overhyping that gun.. even Kondo sayd that its better to kill the enemy Off guard using Judgment bullet just like kkndou do to veldora veldora was ofguard.. Peliod also was ofguard about carrera existence and he died before even noticing Carrera... What carrera do is just killing two bugs and u guys overhyping that pistol

The issue is that Judgement Bullet destroyed the core of whatever its targeting. That's why is kill people far stronger than herself. Even Zelanus said he'd die. She also destroyed Velgrynd's arm with it. Kondo did say that but because it can used only once and theirs a chance it can miss or potentially be avoided. Besides Kondo's Judgement Bullet isn't on the same level as Carrera's.

Also I don't see why Diablo wouldn't die if he took a direct hit. Besides even a direct hit from Disintegration or Melt Slash would kill him. This is disregarding barriers the interfere with Spirit Particles obviously.

Anyways let's move on

 

[Community_Gamer]

Vega would likely became 6th True dragon just like zero in WN..

Lets hope not

 

[Peak]

I don't think Ivarage has the scaling to above Milim although he may later. He probably won't have as much energy as Milim. I don't think anyone will.

And funny enough Velzard fought Milim longer Rimuru and wasn't really shook or impressed by her full power. She was minimizing the damage while fighting her. Velzard definitely on same level as Guy and Rudra. She's probably slightly inferior due to Guy's immense skill level. Because we know she's over twice as strong as him. Guy is literally like Ultima fighting Fenn but better.

Inb4 Chloe obliterates Feldway and Zelanus eats him.

I agree, but I believe that Ivaraj will be the top 2 in energy in verse, if Fuse doesn't decide to put Rimuru superior in everything in LN

Who are you scaling Zelanis for? We know he was able to even fight Milim battle form and was still treating her lightly, but I don't know if he would be able to match Rimuru for example

By the way, about Fuse's declaration of having only 2 more volumes, here it is, it's from his blog

 

[Peak]

So Rimuru was sent to the end of the times Hum, in WN when this happened Rimuru left from there extremely op, although I do not think this will happen in the LN

(unless the fuse make you stay there until the end of the story, which would ever be interesting since Rimuru would not have to end the fights or be sure of victory for being the protagonist as it was on Vol 19, allowing his subordinates to evolve even more alone)

I think at least we can know more about Slime's cosmology, because at this point in WN was revealed about the worlds created by Veldanava, and meanwhile it was mentioned by Velgrynd in Vol 17, it would also make sense to be mentioned again on the Vol 21, because Rimuru needs to find a way to get out of this world, either to transcend space-time get out of there with a true immeasurable speed (not probably limited now) or he use the same ability or a skill similar to Velgrynd, analyzing information from other worlds to get out of there, now as a DLF that can not only analyze and manipulate Information particles, but they are also made of them

it would also be interesting if the end of time rather than in WN where it was only a world where space and time ceased, it was a 5D dimension where the possible uncertainty from where and when, it would be because the world transcends space-time

I saw some theories and honestly felt some fear that it was true, they theorized that Rimuru/Ciel would fuse all angelic skills and so get Veldanava's power (yes, well-traveled theory, I know it may be unlikely, but I don't doubt it), but if Rimuru is going to stay in that place for a long time, he will definitely come back OP, Rimuru is not at the top because Ciel hasn't finished analyzing the skills yet, but spending a little time he should finish analyzing everything

 

[rainheart]

The issue is that Judgement Bullet destroyed the core of whatever its targeting

but u relize that even if diablo core is destroyed he still can regenerate it... and even revive instantly

 

[rainheart]

I saw some theories and honestly felt some fear that it was true, they theorized that Rimuru/Ciel would fuse all angelic skills and so get Veldanava's power (yes, well-traveled theory, I know it may be unlikely, but I don't doubt it), but if Rimuru is going to stay in that place for a long time, he will definitely come back OP, Rimuru is not at the top because Ciel hasn't finished analyzing the skills yet, but spending a little time he should finish analyzing everything

thats just like my theory LMAO.. i do rlly think the same... but what the skills name gonna be.. is it from chtulu.. ohw i think it gonna Be Origin akasthic record.. and also i rlly hype for Primitve magic i hope it will be in the LN

 

[rainheart]

The issue is that Judgement Bullet destroyed the core of whatever its targeting. That's why is kill people far stronger than herself. Even Zelanus said he'd die. She also destroyed Velgrynd's arm with it. Kondo did say that but because it can used only once and theirs a chance it can miss or potentially be avoided. Besides Kondo's Judgement Bullet isn't on the same level as Carrera's.

Also I don't see why Diablo wouldn't die if he took a direct hit. Besides even a direct hit from Disintegration or Melt Slash would kill him. This is disregarding barriers the interfere with Spirit Particles obviously.

Anyways let's move on

ok lets stop with this..
Now Beni Prominence ACC vs Carrera Judgment Bullet who would wins..
And Daily reminder Shion WN>Carrera(In timestop)

 

[JV_DLS]

I saw some theories and honestly felt some fear that it was true, they theorized that Rimuru/Ciel would fuse all angelic skills and so get Veldanava's power (yes, well-traveled theory, I know it may be unlikely, but I don't doubt it), but if Rimuru is going to stay in that place for a long time, he will definitely come back OP, Rimuru is not at the top because Ciel hasn't finished analyzing the skills yet, but spending a little time he should finish analyzing everything

honestly I don't care much about the skills that Rimuru gets anymore, unless it's something as strong as Chloe's Reverse Fate, it doesn't even make much sense to create expectation, what I most wanted is for him to get out of there with sheer immeasurable speed, transcending space-time without being limited by SW, and also that before leaving there he would talk about the cosmology of the universe, as this happened when he was at WN

 

[rainheart]

honestly I don't care much about the skills that Rimuru gets anymore, unless it's something as strong as Chloe's Reverse Fate, it doesn't even make much sense to create expectation, what I most wanted is for him to get out of there with sheer immeasurable speed, transcending space-time without being limited by SW, and also that before leaving there he would talk about the cosmology of the universe, as this happened when he was at WN

The Place where rimuru in should be end of space time.. since rimuru said he dont know wether its Future,Past,Present..

 

[JV_DLS]

The Place where rimuru in should be end of space time.. since rimuru said he dont know wether its Future,Past,Present..

So, as I commented before, I would like this uncertainty of where and when Rimuru is, if it was because the world transcends space-time, that is, instead of just being a place where space and time ceased like in WN, it was something like a 5D world.

 

[rainheart]

PPL in tiktok sayin Midley> BENI just cuz Carrera sayd hes Comparable to Zegi lol..But the fact he dont even have an US and Beni Prominence ACC >Milims Heavenly kings..

 

[Peak]

Btw does anyone have any idea where most of the insectar generals scales to?

most i believe are demon lord seed level, others seemed to be demon lord level and the main ones like Peliod and Zess seemed to be planet level, Zelanus is indisputably star level, this is how i see it, the names of each demon lord seed level i won't remember because they died quickly

 

[Peak]

PPL in tiktok sayin Midley> BENI just cuz Carrera sayd hes Comparable to Zegi lol..But the fact he dont even have an US and Beni Prominence ACC >Milims Heavenly kings..

They say in the anime, and actually Midley in the anime would beat up Benimaru without any effort.

 

[rainheart]

They say in the anime, and actually Midley in the anime would beat up Benimaru without any effort.

anime midley would easily beat beni.. but In LN hell no.. Beni have the possiblity to use/move in SW dues link soul corridor with rimuru and midly dont even have an US lol.. i dunno what wwong with this ppl..

 

[Peak]

Really Rimuru is not necessary now, since it has Rudra, Chloe, Guy and Milim (when recovering totally) to face Feldway and the rest of the enemies, although I do not think any of them has power to end Feldway for now Chloe can use reverse destination.

And that's why it would be good, if Rimuru stayed out of battle for a while, taking the whole issue of the protagonist to win the villains at that moment, leaving this task for those who have no great made, like Diablo, Ramiris, Zegion and especially Benimaru, who disappointed me a little at LN.

So despite being cliché, I would like Rimuru to return only to face the last villain of work, where Rimuru despite being op (because I'm almost sure he'll be there for a long time, gaining skills) I wish he would suffer to defeat the final enemy, this is quite predictable but if done the right way would be good, Even because I don't see any other end, if not for rimuru beating the last villain for whatever reason

I doubt Fuse will let Rimuru beat only the the last villain, but I also wish it were like that, Fuse built an amazing cast enough to not depend on Rimuru to sustain the story

 

[rainheart]

And btw im starting to wonder why Tensura Fans is the only fans that toxic with the Same community like all tensura fans have different Opinion bout tensura chara who is stronger blah blah blah and starting to debate and began to being Toxic.. FR dude unlike DB fans that always support each others or other Anime comunity..

 

[Peak]

anime midley would easily beat beni.. but In LN hell no.. Beni have the possiblity to use/move in SW dues link soul corridor with rimuru and midly dont even have an US lol.. i dunno what wwong with this ppl..

I don't know if having ultimate skill is really valid, beings like Peliod and Zess don't have it either and are powerful enough to deal with Carrera, Gabiru, Ranga and Gobta fused together, not to mention the others who helped as well, so having ultimate skill or not is something that shouldn't weigh too much for now

 

[rainheart]

I don't know if having ultimate skill is really valid, beings like Peliod and Zess don't have it either and are powerful enough to deal with Carrera, Gabiru, Ranga and Gobta fused together, not to mention the others who helped as well, so having ultimate skill or not is something that shouldn't weigh too much for now

Actually if u only using such a Combat ability u can beat even a US user.. but if ur likely a magic user orhave no Combat expirience u can beat a US user..

 

[Peak]

And btw im starting to wonder why Tensura Fans is the only fans that toxic with the Same community like all tensura fans have different Opinion bout tensura chara who is stronger blah blah blah and starting to debate and began to being Toxic.. FR dude unlike DB fans that always support each others or other Anime comunity..

Nah, everyone is toxic, in DB it is not toxic because Verse is not balanced, we know who is stronger than who there, in Tensura it is so balanced that opinions will naturally differ one with the other

 

[JV_DLS]

And btw im starting to wonder why Tensura Fans is the only fans that toxic with the Same community like all tensura fans have different Opinion bout tensura chara who is stronger blah blah blah and starting to debate and began to being Toxic.. FR dude unlike DB fans that always support each others or other Anime comunity..

For me this title goes with MG fans, I don't know how it is between them but in other communities they can be quite boring, (own experience) especially when it comes to Slime, they seem to have something against , if you come back a little bit on the pages you will see some of these fans posting things like images from Anos, or videos where it shows a random character from there beating everyone from Slime

 

[Peak]

I think Benimaru has done great. They really emphasized his intelligence, diligence, competence as a general, and his skill as a warrior. It doesn't feel nearly as forced WN where's he's just top 3 for no reason. He's more like top 5 or 6 which is good considering there 18 Million Class/Awakened Demon Lord class fighters in Tempest and 10 Demon Lord level figures. For a random orge in the forest he's griwth has been insane, not just physically but his influence as well.

I like that pretty much all the Demon Lords that have met him respect him. That goes for world leaders too. He's great.

yes I agree, it's made clear that no one in tempest is as good at commanding as Benimaru, since Falmus invaded Tempest, Benimaru has had a very satisfying evolution, I mean, even when Rimuru lost his senses when Veldora was captured and so far in volume 20 where even Rimuru was restless he still kept his cool and kept the war steady in Sarion, and for me that kind of control is better for tempest than any kind of force, so I don't think it should be OP either

 

[Peak]

What's crazy is Prime Rudra is strong without relying on magicules. Or even much spiritual particles. Then again much like Secret of Faith and Grace, its obvious that the beliefs of trillions surpasses most things in series.

yes I wonder if Dagruel would survive without the magical nullification barrier he has around, as he was completely defended by it, we don't know how effective this would be in the god tiers, but as it does not depend on the level of Luminas itself, but on the beliefs of its followers, I believe it must be a very high level too

 

[rainheart]

im starting to think that actually Beni would have the highest feats in rimuru patron after carrera.. why beni well beni able to harm Rimuru just a bit i think it already a high feats becous its not just Base Milim but her true battle form and in a wrath Condition.. Also prolly if its Base milim she would Get harm so badly with the Prominence ACC.. Even idont think Veldora can stand that attack unharm..

yes I agree, it's made clear that no one in tempest is as good at commanding as Benimaru, since Falmus invaded Tempest, Benimaru has had a very satisfying evolution, I mean, even when Rimuru lost his senses when Veldora was captured and so far in volume 20 where even Rimuru was restless he still kept his cool and kept the war steady in Sarion, and for me that kind of control is better for tempest than any kind of force, so I don't think it should be OP either

 

[rainheart]

Beni Prominence ACC>Carrera Judgment Bullet
any disagreement..

 

[Peak]

My problem is that Rimuru hypes up Diablo unreasonably at times. So the community is more inclined to believe Diablo can do just about anything some people really believed he could beat True Dragons. Diablo definitely up there among the top tiers but he's not even stomping the top of the top tiers.

I wouldn't even blame Rimuru for that, Diablo who always wants to take jobs he probably can't handle, even if he doesn't know his opponent's skills well, like it was with Michael, how it would probably be with Feldway and how it would be with Milim if he went to the battlefield, It seems that after Diablo lost to Michael, Rimuru realized that Diablo still couldn't handle godtiers, especially when we're talking about Milim

 

[Diablo_]

Will the HGR of Rimuru be downgraded

Beni Prominence ACC>Carrera Judgment Bullet
any disagreement..

Yeah I disagree .It lacks feat .It was trying to swallow milim but didnt succeed in landing even a scratch .Well up against the wrong opposition but I can't scale it with just that .While Carrera's Judgement clearly has more feats and statement

 

[Peak]

It doesn't really make sense for Leon's EP to be that high and its odd that no one mentions its. Like that's True Dragon level of EP. Besides I don't he should've struggled with Slivia way the he did. As well as having over 4 times Dino's and over 3 times Luminas's EP doesn't seem right either.

I wonder, is it not uncommon for beings of much lower EP to be able to at least match for some time against beings of much higher EP, Silvia for example was just holding Leon and it was implied that she would lose eventually, even though I don't like Leon's character, I think he is underrated in power, he was considered better at swordsmanship than Zalario and Metatron not bad, in fact, it's like an always-on meltslash, Rimuru also states that he would have a hard time dealing with one of the attacks Leon used on Milim, so for now I think it's plausible that he's close to Zalario in some way.

 

[Peak]

Vega would likely became 6th True dragon just like zero in WN..

I don't know if it would be interesting, in fact, I really don't like Vega's character, but it looks like I'll have to put up with him for a while longer

 

[Catpija]

Yeah I disagree .It lacks feat .It was trying to swallow milim but didnt succeed in landing even a scratch .Well up against the wrong opposition but I can't scale it with just that .While Carrera's Judgement clearly has more feats and statement

huh, when did i said "Will the HGR of Rimuru be downgraded"

 

[Peak]

thats just like my theory LMAO.. i do rlly think the same... but what the skills name gonna be.. is it from chtulu.. ohw i think it gonna Be Origin akasthic record.. and also i rlly hype for Primitve magic i hope it will be in the LN

I can't see how that would be good for the story, I definitely hope that doesn't happen, Ciel can merge the skills, but I don't want anything that puts him too far above the others, also, Feldway has the same haxs so maybe he can do something too, but I don't know, I just don't want something like akashic record in LN

 

[Peak]

ok lets stop with this..
Now Beni Prominence ACC vs Carrera Judgment Bullet who would wins..
And Daily reminder Shion WN>Carrera(In timestop)

Although it is implied that Ciel is not alone with Benimaru, and this magic is not from Benimaru, if he wants to use this magic, he will depend on Ciel for it and the same goes for any subordinate, so I don't see how Benimaru would get the top 3 here

 

[Peak]

honestly I don't care much about the skills that Rimuru gets anymore, unless it's something as strong as Chloe's Reverse Fate, it doesn't even make much sense to create expectation, what I most wanted is for him to get out of there with sheer immeasurable speed, transcending space-time without being limited by SW, and also that before leaving there he would talk about the cosmology of the universe, as this happened when he was at WN

Rimuru's skills are always powerful so I don't think we need to worry about that, and I think him going out with immeasurable speed would be bad too, he might get that in the after story or the last volume, but having it now could mess things up too much, I mean, Fuse just introduced infinite speed so I don't think we need to worry too much about that

 

[rainheart]

Although it is implied that Ciel is not alone with Benimaru, and this magic is not from Benimaru, if he wants to use this magic, he will depend on Ciel for it and the same goes for any subordinate, so I don't see how Benimaru would get the top 3 here

I rlly hope Beni gets a Buff... Like it unfair Beni is the First rimuru Loyal Sub that follows rimuru from the anime until now and hes not even the strongest...

 

[Peak]

For me this title goes with MG fans, I don't know how it is between them but in other communities they can be quite boring, (own experience) especially when it comes to Slime, they seem to have something against , if you come back a little bit on the pages you will see some of these fans posting things like images from Anos, or videos where it shows a random character from there beating everyone from Slime

yes, this is really annoying, but at least here on vsb there are some really nice people who support the tensura verse, so i won't generalize, but outside of here there aren't any MGK fans that are worth it