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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

RimuruSama076 said:
She doesn't have her Cthugha here yet, since she was still fighting Rimuru here (correct if i am wrong, I forgot most of it)

And from what it said here :
"Velgrynd continued to travel.
Yesterday, today, and tomorrow too.

The footsteps never stopped, and Velgrynd kept moving forward."

She casually Walked, Ran, Moved or (whatever tf you refer it) with her own body without involving any Ult skill
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she already had Cthugha at that time, and no, all that you say is debunked by the narrative itself in volume 17, furthermore, she doesn't use immeasurable speed at any point in later volumes
Velgrynd took her first leap into the strange space between unknown worlds.


There, she found herself unbounded by time and confronted her inner self. By doing so, she made the Ultimate Skill ‘Divine Flame King’ (Cthugha) completely her own.


The Ultimate Skill ‘Divine Flame King’ (Cthugha) had the power to track Rudra’s soul. Strictly speaking, the effect was to discover an entity once specified.


Velgrynd can now find pieces of her beloved Rudra’s soul, no matter how remote or far away they are, even beyond time and space.


All she has to do now is “jump” for it.


It is a perfect combination of Spacetime Manipulation and Dimension Leap, a technique that is only possible with the Ultimate Skill’s ever-growing power.


However, it was impossible to jump to a specific time and place because the target coordinates could not be determined. In other words, the ‘Spacetime Leap’ is only possible when there is a destination.


However, this does not apply if the time and space are the same.


Even ‘Instantaneous Movement’ was possible because it could travel over any distance without regard to time.


That is why Velgrynd relied on her own authority to pursue Rudra.
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So I believe that the skill has immeasurable range, but not the speed
 
Anyway, is it possible that Masayuki can travel to the past or future in the same timeline? Ever since Velgrynd gathered Rudra's shards and when he saw Masayuki, he was teleported to the past of the cardinal world, and not only that, but did he exist at the same time as Rudra, which was supposed to be theoretically impossible since Veldanava's system doesn't allow it? Wouldn't that make Rudra special?

As far as I know, the chronological order is:Rudra is alive in the present > in the future Masayuki is teleported after Velgrynd gathers Rudra's soul fragments > Rudra and Masayuki exist in the same line at the same time even having the same soul > Rudra dies > Velgrynd goes to past, present and future to gather Rudra's soul fragments > meets Masayuki > is teleported to the present along with Masayuki
 
Peak said:
Anyway, is it possible that Masayuki can travel to the past or future in the same timeline? Ever since Velgrynd gathered Rudra's shards and when he saw Masayuki, he was teleported to the past of the cardinal world, and not only that, but did he exist at the same time as Rudra, which was supposed to be theoretically impossible since Veldanava's system doesn't allow it? Wouldn't that make Rudra special?

As far as I know, the chronological order is:Rudra is alive in the present > in the future Masayuki is teleported after Velgrynd gathers Rudra's soul fragments > Rudra and Masayuki exist in the same line at the same time even having the same soul > Rudra dies > Velgrynd goes to past, present and future to gather Rudra's soul fragments > meets Masayuki > is teleported to the present along with Masayuki
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That is just a paradox
 
Thunderian said:
Velgrynd also seems to need to gain immeasurable Speed.

In Epilogue Volume 15, she literally walks through time. Stepping into the past, present and future. It will probably get Immeasurable travel speed.

Her attack, Space-Time Continuous Attack, reaches and transcends space-time. This is when she eliminates Cornu in volume 16.
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She has immeasurable speed attacks and can transcend time and space to reach her target.
 
Peak said:
I think as long as Rimuru is connected to Veldora through the hall of souls, he can go back, or someone can send him the coordinates, but I hope it's not that easy lol
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That would mean the soul corridors ignore causality or transcends continuity. We know that they transcend time and space that Velgrynd can use Soul Corridor to Rudra just to different universes even different points in time. She even tracked Masayuki back forward in time after meeting him before he left.....from different universe entirely.

So while I'd want something more original, unless Feldway severed their soul corridor, which would be insane, I don't see anything else happening.

My hopium is the god of time, strongest Hero, actual protagonist Chloe saves her boo again. I want her to show up and just manipulate time to take then after they left.
 
Peak said:
Again saying, the skill gets immeasurable because of that, but it's not Velgrynd's own speed, and well I think we can expect good things in the next volume as Rimuru was sent by Feldway to the same place as Velgrynd and Rimuru also says he didn't know if he was in the past, present or future, so we'll probably get more explanation about that, as well as the space between the worlds
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I thought he was joking with that question tbh
 
Dread said:
There is bad news, you need to be in the highest level of the game to get info, right now I only can get first chapter and second, and tbh nothing is new lol
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You have to play a lot to story stuff. Events story difficult as well. The Diablo one is very informative
 
Peak said:
Anyway, is it possible that Masayuki can travel to the past or future in the same timeline? Ever since Velgrynd gathered Rudra's shards and when he saw Masayuki, he was teleported to the past of the cardinal world, and not only that, but did he exist at the same time as Rudra, which was supposed to be theoretically impossible since Veldanava's system doesn't allow it? Wouldn't that make Rudra special?

As far as I know, the chronological order is:Rudra is alive in the present > in the future Masayuki is teleported after Velgrynd gathers Rudra's soul fragments > Rudra and Masayuki exist in the same line at the same time even having the same soul > Rudra dies > Velgrynd goes to past, present and future to gather Rudra's soul fragments > meets Masayuki > is teleported to the present along with Masayuki
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No. Firstly don't assume that continuities of other universes align. Masayuki and Rudra do exist at the same time but remember that they aren't the same person.

Also Masayuki doesn't have Rudra's soul within at first. Velgrynd is changing history remember but she's effecting different space-time continuums. There's no paradox here. If Velgrynd never leaves the Rudra is never in Masayuki and he's lost forever.

Masayuki course of events doesn't change either he will always see Velgrynd then get isekaied, become a Chosen Hero, even have his hair change color, and Velgrynd save him.

But that doesn't have until Velgrynd leaves in present. Masayuki's timeline is only real effected ij his original world.

Basically its not same kind of grandfather's paradox with the mask. Because we provide a cause and effect for every event and action. As well as trace the origin.
 
Anyways if u Use rimuru Compo He should easily gets 2A cuz LN turn has infinite energy... Hmm hm i just hope that the LN would reach 2A...
 
Peak said:
Masayuki will rule the world one day🗿🍷
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King of hero's could've been more OP if it didn't have just one restriction .Unfortunately Masayuki can only summon people he knows if he could summon any fictional characters he wanted that would've been ...
 
Diablo_ said:
King of hero's could've been more OP if it didn't have just one restriction .Unfortunately Masayuki can only summon people he knows if he could summon any fictional characters he wanted that would've been ...
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Rudra knows a lot of people though, including Veldanava himself
 
rainheart said:
Well compo LoL since LN turn null does has infinite energy unlike the WN... So if we use compo rimuru coild created Infinite universe due Turnnull is infinite..
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No the only thing having infinite energy will grant is infinite stamina .
Infinite stamina ≠infinite output .

Rimuru himself said in volume 16 that increasing your energy doesn't matter if the output is the same .
 
Rock Le-Dora

I urged Veldora to demonstrate.


With a proud look on his face, Veldora smugly began taking off his coat.

No way, could it be that…?

My body, which would not have been sweating, felt like a cold sweat had fallen.

Veldora began to laugh loudly.

“Kuahahaha! Take a good look. This is my true power—!!!”

With a thud, his coat fell to floor, and with another thud, the wristbands on Veldora’s arms and legs rolled off, shaking the ground.

H-Hey…

Taking off your heavy clothes…doesn’t mean the numbers will go up…
 
Community_Gamer said:
That would mean the soul corridors ignore causality or transcends continuity. We know that they transcend time and space that Velgrynd can use Soul Corridor to Rudra just to different universes even different points in time. She even tracked Masayuki back forward in time after meeting him before he left.....from different universe entirely.

So while I'd want something more original, unless Feldway severed their soul corridor, which would be insane, I don't see anything else happening.

My hopium is the god of time, strongest Hero, actual protagonist Chloe saves her boo again. I want her to show up and just manipulate time to take then after they left.
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Yes, if BFR could cut the link it would be another level, and I think it would be predictable for him to come back using Veldora, maybe Ciel will do something using the skills he gathered, since it seems like he hasn't analyzed everything yet, not least because he only used Michael's domination despite having about 10 or so skills


Chloe would be too broke to be able to save Rimuru like this, in fact, just the fact that she located Rimuru would be difficult
 
Community_Gamer said:
No. Firstly don't assume that continuities of other universes align. Masayuki and Rudra do exist at the same time but remember that they aren't the same person.

Also Masayuki doesn't have Rudra's soul within at first. Velgrynd is changing history remember but she's effecting different space-time continuums. There's no paradox here. If Velgrynd never leaves the Rudra is never in Masayuki and he's lost forever.

Masayuki course of events doesn't change either he will always see Velgrynd then get isekaied, become a Chosen Hero, even have his hair change color, and Velgrynd save him.

But that doesn't have until Velgrynd leaves in present. Masayuki's timeline is only real effected ij his original world.

Basically its not same kind of grandfather's paradox with the mask. Because we provide a cause and effect for every event and action. As well as trace the origin.
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But didn't masayuki go to another world because Velgrynd placed Rudra's soul fragments in Masayuki? If that's the case, it should be from the start, but as in Tensura it is impossible to have two of the same soul at the same time, naturally your logic would make more sense
 
rainheart said:
Anyways if u Use rimuru Compo He should easily gets 2A cuz LN turn has infinite energy... Hmm hm i just hope that the LN would reach 2A...
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I can't believe you're serious about it using this logic, mostly saying about turn null and after seeing Rimuru's explanation about knowing how to control power output on volume 20
 
Peak said:
Yes, if BFR could cut the link it would be another level, and I think it would be predictable for him to come back using Veldora, maybe Ciel will do something using the skills he gathered, since it seems like he hasn't analyzed everything yet, not least because he only used Michael's domination despite having about 10 or so skills


Chloe would be too broke to be able to save Rimuru like this, in fact, just the fact that she located Rimuru would be difficult
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I agree. I just finished V20. I really like the state of the story as well as the scaling. I feel like all the tiers are quite healthy with little to no imbalance.

But yes I want Chloe to be OP. She's the Hero of the story. I like Milim being the undisputed pinnacle of power and Chloe being her foil. Rimuru, Guy, Prime Rudra, Velzard, Feldway, and probably Velzard are more so in the mix with contention between them. I think this would be ideal for the final stages of the LN. I don't want it to be too clear-cut between the god tiers.
 
Community_Gamer said:
I agree. I just finished V20. I really like the state of the story as well as the scaling. I feel like all the tiers are quite healthy with little to no imbalance.

But yes I want Chloe to be OP. She's the Hero of the story. I like Milim being the undisputed pinnacle of power and Chloe being her foil. Rimuru, Guy, Prime Rudra, Velzard, Feldway, and probably Velzard are more so in the mix with contention between them. I think this would be ideal for the final stages of the LN. I don't want it to be too clear-cut between the god tiers.
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the story is excellent, a true masterpiece, now something I'm almost sure now, is that Zelanus will ally with Ivaraj and he will receive several buffs when the evil god wakes up
 
Peak said:
Also, I was happy that actually Veldanava's hair is black and not blue, it looks like there won't be anything involving Veldanava's reincarnation, at least not involving Rimuru
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Let's hope so. Although attacking the Labyrinth seems pointless especially if they don't need the Dragon Factor. Unless the Dragon factors are gonna be used for something else. It seems like Feldway just wants to destroy the world but he doesn't need Ivarage to do that. I wonder if Ramriris is gonna have a bigger role to play as a Mediator. The discussion about the evil god, in reference to Dagruel, Glassord, and Fennir as one is definitely set up. It makes me wonder who created them. I bet the Great Spirit of Darkness is responsible.

Anyway, Ramrirs may not be capping when she said she was stronger than Veldora especially if the evil god was weaker than her. I never really gave her adult form much credit due to the vagueness of her assistance in the past. But it seems she deserves more credit. I want Ramriris to able to access her adult form whenever or just be in it permently. Unfortunately, I can only imagine Fuse chucking her for kicks.
 
LoganKroos said:
the story is excellent, a true masterpiece, now something I'm almost sure now, is that Zelanus will ally with Ivaraj and he will receive several buffs when the evil god wakes up
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I'm not sure about Ivarage's involvement, but the invasion should be interesting. I need some love for Apito, Treyni, Charys, Dragon Lords, and obviously the goat Zegion.
 
Peak said:
But didn't masayuki go to another world because Velgrynd placed Rudra's soul fragments in Masayuki? If that's the case, it should be from the start, but as in Tensura it is impossible to have two of the same soul at the same time, naturally your logic would make more sense
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She was the cause at that time but not originally. Because Masayuki didn't start to really resemble him until later when we hear about it in V13. Remeber that he randomly crossed over. Although because she affected history technically she was always there but obviously time works relatively. The story treats Velgrynd's escapes both as they already happened and they changing concurrently depending on the situation and perspective.

Regardless of how you look at it. Masayuki is not Rudra just like how the other reincarnations aren't him. They just have some of him within them. And remember that you can have multiple instances of a being in the same spacetime BUT just like with Chloe and Hinata they become dormant. Which is probably why there was no sign of it until much later in the story.

What's more confusing or just odd is that Rudra's fragment was probably inside Masayuki since he was born....and I guess it affected his appearance to resemble Rudra. But why would that be the case? We know that based on his skill, King of Heroes that Masayuki was destined or chosen by the world to be a backup for Rudra. I wonder if that was Veldanava's doing or If the World System deemed a necessary system to maintain the existence of the first Hero and disciple of Veldanava.

Idk there's a lot about Masayuki that's weird even disregarding Velgrynd
 
Peak said:
I don't know how I would react to Veldanava being summoned lol
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Better than Rimuru being Veldnava. I'd take it. I'd be ********.....its like Goku always having the Zeno button except worse because it would effect like all the events in the series rather the just the current ones.
 
LoganKroos said:
Rudra is broken to a ridiculous level, and released new character images, masayuki's vizual appeared, minutes and agera
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Miltz posted Jahil's look today too, but seriously, Masayuki is ridiculously broken, and I love it, the two strongest heroes beat almost every cast (maybe even including Rimuru), imagine Masayuki with Rudra in control summoning Granbell, Kondou and Damrada at the same time against an opponent in Tensura lol
 
Community_Gamer said:
I agree. I just finished V20. I really like the state of the story as well as the scaling. I feel like all the tiers are quite healthy with little to no imbalance.

But yes I want Chloe to be OP. She's the Hero of the story. I like Milim being the undisputed pinnacle of power and Chloe being her foil. Rimuru, Guy, Prime Rudra, Velzard, Feldway, and probably Velzard are more so in the mix with contention between them. I think this would be ideal for the final stages of the LN. I don't want it to be too clear-cut between the god tiers.
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Yes, the power scale is pretty stable, honestly, it's almost impossible for you to see someone with a top 10 that you agree with because it's not clear who is superior to whom, if I were to have any complaints, it would be the confusion related to speed and the information particle, but I think it's confusing because it's MTL straight from RAW, something I missed was Diablo in action as well, but I believe he, as well as Zegion will come into action as they are invading the labyrinth, and I believe Dino will be in trouble with Zegion's curse, or he might be able to handle that, Testarossa is missing too but she is in Ingracia so I think she will be sidelined again

I think the path I would like was for Rimuru to stay at the end of space-time for a while, I don't think Fuse sent him there for nothing, if I were to say, I think Chloe's role will be to defeat one of the main villains, she winning Ivaraj, Zelanus or something like that would already make me satisfied, and I think Milim is the most special case in Tensura, since from what I remember she is the only one who can beat the godtiers with sheer raw power, I mean, Rimuru was shuddering just from facing Milim, this is sinister

Also, do you think that with so many quotes of planets and stars being able to be destroyed so casually even in a "strong world" having a divine tree and the Veldanava system itself protecting does anything help on the possible 3-A statement in volume 17 or do you still think it's 4-C?

I also wonder if HGR will be taken down with the information that destroying the core infinite regeneration won't work, what do you think of that?
 
Community_Gamer said:
Let's hope so. Although attacking the Labyrinth seems pointless especially if they don't need the Dragon Factor. Unless the Dragon factors are gonna be used for something else. It seems like Feldway just wants to destroy the world but he doesn't need Ivarage to do that. I wonder if Ramriris is gonna have a bigger role to play as a Mediator. The discussion about the evil god, in reference to Dagruel, Glassord, and Fennir as one is definitely set up. It makes me wonder who created them. I bet the Great Spirit of Darkness is responsible.

Anyway, Ramrirs may not be capping when she said she was stronger than Veldora especially if the evil god was weaker than her. I never really gave her adult form much credit due to the vagueness of her assistance in the past. But it seems she deserves more credit. I want Ramriris to able to access her adult form whenever or just be in it permently. Unfortunately, I can only imagine Fuse chucking her for kicks.
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Well, I don't think Vega and Dino will be enough for this expedition, as Diablo is there, I think something else will happen for the Feldway side, besides, I'm curious for the next move from Feldway, he's definitely lost any sense of sanity, but I don't think he's going to ultimately destroy the world, this was just a distraction, not least because he wants to preserve the world of Veldanava and eliminate only those who live there

I think Fenn, Dagruel and Glassord can merge and take on Veldora, Fenn was having work with Ultima and Adalman/Wenti and Glassord was held up by Albert so I don't think they will be much Useful in battle if they don't merge, on the other hand, Veldora is absurd, I don't think Dagruel can handle it, Ramiris I think she should be able to really calm Milim down again, I don't see anyone else there free to do that, Guy is busy with Velzard, Veldora with Dagruel, Velgrynd wouldn't be able to besides that the planet wouldn't resist, we have Chloe who can reverse Milim even when she was calm too, but the options to stop Milim are few
 
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