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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

EldemadeDityjon said:
I could see solid infinite Combat speed (but like you said grasping information particles thing is hard for someone who hasn't read the series) well it will be hard for you guys to explain this to others

For immesurerable Speed need more context.
From what I see it looks like infinite combat speed because it seems it is limited to certain space not whole linear time. Well i may be wrong. Good luck I hope offical translation explain it better.
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Yes, you are correct, however, I think it really is immeasurable, before I say why, I also have to show you the limitation of this speed in Tensura, volume 20 reaffirms that you can only go to a recognizable space, and shows in real time that for you to have infinite speed you must know the coordinates of the location, and that's why I don't know how the wiki is going to treat it
Spatial Transportation' in Time Stop is basically impossible because it requires flying "information particles" to understand the surrounding information. It is basically impossible. Although it is possible to move within the visible range, it is meaningless because it is faster to move normally.

This is because, regardless of the distance, the coordinates of the destination must be read by interfering with the "information particle".

If the "information particle" has to be moved back and forth, it would be faster to move itself.
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I really don't know how this is going to be handled, but moving on, it's been shown that as long as you know the coordinates, you can go anywhere you want, and based on statements about information particles, I believe that as long as Rimuru (for example) knew the coordinates of the information particle from a place outside linear time, this could fit, but as you can see, would still be limited, mainly because we also don't know if the information particles exist in space outside the suspended world (time stop)
 
Thunderian said:
Velgrynd also seems to need to gain immeasurable Speed.

In Epilogue Volume 15, she literally walks through time. Stepping into the past, present and future. It will probably get Immeasurable travel speed.

Her attack, Space-Time Continuous Attack, reaches and transcends space-time. This is when she eliminates Cornu in volume 16.
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Well, her skill would be immeasurable, but that wasn't speed so it doesn't fit, it's something similar to Rimuru WN, the difference is that Velgrynd's skill is limited to the entity she chooses
 
Dread said:
Where? I don't see it.
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The battle was, in a word, tremendous.



As it turned out while watching the battle, the speed of the ‘information particle’ was constant.



Conversation had been established and the reaction speed of vision was also constant. This was as clear a physical phenomenon as the fact that ‘all things cannot exceed the speed of light.’



In that case, why did the “information particles” exceed the speed of light?



This was not a matter of the speed being exceeded.



It was as if the information particles, which were supposed to be at different coordinates, were transferring information to each other with zero time difference. Regardless of how far they were from each other, as long as the information particles existed in the recognizable space, there was no time difference. In other words, an ‘information particle’ transcended time and space.
 
V2001 said:
Oh, thanks for your information for reminding me of my memory, I don't seem to remember. Didn't take much detail from this chapter.
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I think you can use as an example in the manga the scene of the massacre against the soldiers of Farmus, where there was an extra chapter that shows their point of view
 
Peak said:
Well, her skill would be immeasurable, but that wasn't speed so it doesn't fit, it's something similar to Rimuru WN, the difference is that Velgrynd's skill is limited to the entity she chooses
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Well i think veldora leap trought time using skill would u agree... Diferent case than Velgrynd Which she use Ctugha.. and also Spatial Tele isnt leaping trought time and space just transportation.. i dont think its also Time and space manipulation or it can be.. cuz diablo and trio Demons also have it..
 
And also if Spatial Tele Or Space and time manip than what so special about velgrynd ctugha to honest every on can Time leap with that..
 
Feldway sent Rimuru to the end of spacetime .If Rimuru uses immeasurable speed to come back that would be great
 
Diablo_ said:
By the Way Dagruel was moving instantaneously and Shion wasn't able to perceive him at all .That could be due to SW and I think Infinite or immeasurable speed is probably still safe .
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In fact, the best part about it is that it doesn't involve the suspended world because Rimuru or other characters in the work didn't comment on this, just when he was going to kill Luminas was when he activated the time stop for the first time, so in this scene of Shion and Dagruel, maybe Dagruel used the information particle to move around.
"Hmm. You're looking down on me with a lot of composure, aren't you?"

The voice came from behind Shion.

This is the top of the long wall, the front line but also a defense base. Naturally, the 'Anti-Demonic Intrusion Barrier' was in operation, and the area around Shion in particular was lined with multiple layers of the 'Multilayer Barrier'.

Ignoring all of that, I would not be standing here...no, more importantly....

The problem is that Shion was unaware of any of them until he was spoken to here.

We have been monitoring him.

Even with a Skill like 'Spatial Transportation', he should be able to detect some anomalies. Shion, who could perform 'Spatial Domination', had his surroundings well protected.
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I believe this goes to show that apparently Dagruel used the speed of the information particle, as Shion also states below that it was not something using interference from space, and it makes sense that she doesn't know what happened because she doesn't know and can't perceive the piece of information, so that would be a good thing in the end, the limitation would be because of perception but it's not limited to the suspended world, so I believe that infinite/immeasurable combat speed we will have safely
(Some kind of skill, or a trick...there must be a reason for this phenomenon, even if there is a difference in their abilities ! )

If the movement is based on spatial interference, there must be traces left behind. Even if it was a high-speed movement, it is impossible that there is not even an oscillation of the air.

Shion tells himself not to be fooled by Dagruel's bluff.

But if this...

(Huh, what's the point in even thinking about it? If it does, I'll just let it go!)

-Shion opens his eyes.

If the answer was as bad as Shion imagined, then admitting it would be tantamount to defeat. Since further protests would be pointless, he decided that there was no point in even thinking about it.
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Dread said:
Is the game for free? I can try to download and find every relevant information for you guys.
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I was told that the game is boring, I don't play it because it doesn't have a translation into my native language 🥲
 
Bro What do u think
Peak said:
Well i think veldora leap trought time using speed would u agree... Diferent case than Velgrynd Which she use Ctugha.. and also Spatial Tele isnt leaping trought time and space just transportation.. i dont think its also Time and space manipulation or it can be.. cuz diablo and trio Demons also have it..
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That's
Peak said:
In fact, the best part about it is that it doesn't involve the suspended world because Rimuru or other characters in the work didn't comment on this, just when he was going to kill Luminas was when he activated the time stop for the first time, so in this scene of Shion and Dagruel, maybe Dagruel used the information particle to move around.

I believe this goes to show that apparently Dagruel used the speed of the information particle, as Shion also states below that it was not something using interference from space, and it makes sense that she doesn't know what happened because she doesn't know and can't perceive the piece of information, so that would be a good thing in the end, the limitation would be because of perception but it's not limited to the suspended world, so I believe that infinite/immeasurable combat speed we will have safely
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That's great now there's a chance of immeasurable or infinite sped without SW /
 
rainheart said:
The battle was, in a word, tremendous.



As it turned out while watching the battle, the speed of the ‘information particle’ was constant.



Conversation had been established and the reaction speed of vision was also constant. This was as clear a physical phenomenon as the fact that ‘all things cannot exceed the speed of light.’



In that case, why did the “information particles” exceed the speed of light?



This was not a matter of the speed being exceeded.



It was as if the information particles, which were supposed to be at different coordinates, were transferring information to each other with zero time difference. Regardless of how far they were from each other, as long as the information particles existed in the recognizable space, there was no time difference. In other words, an ‘information particle’ transcended time and space.
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Eh, IDK the author always uses transcend time and space…
 
rainheart said:
Well i think veldora leap trought time using skill would u agree... Diferent case than Velgrynd Which she use Ctugha.. and also Spatial Tele isnt leaping trought time and space just transportation.. i dont think its also Time and space manipulation or it can be.. cuz diablo and trio Demons also have it..
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I can't say, the translation of that passage is bad, but at least it was something caused by the piece of information, let's wait for the other MTL to understand better
 
Diablo_ said:
Feldway sent Rimuru to the end of spacetime .If Rimuru uses immeasurable speed to come back that would be great
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I think as long as Rimuru is connected to Veldora through the hall of souls, he can go back, or someone can send him the coordinates, but I hope it's not that easy lol
 
so as far, the game has started and Rimuru is wall level

I am joking, I would say city level for now
 
Dread said:
so as far, the game has started and Rimuru is wall level

I am joking, I would say city level for now
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street level to be precise


Don't force yourself to play if you don't like it, some friends of mine played it and said they found it boring because the game is slow
 
Peak said:
street level to be precise


Don't force yourself to play if you don't like it, some friends of mine played it and said they found it boring because the game is slow
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I will just dig cosmology info and then stop playing it. Rn downloading 5GB to 8GB..
 
Dread said:
I will just dig cosmology info and then stop playing it. Rn downloading 5GB to 8GB..
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I hope you can find it, I honestly don't know if there's something like this being confirmed in the game, so I wish you good luck
 
Dread said:
Welp let's see. What is our current LN cosmology tier?
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2-C|2-B because of this statement:
Through it all, Velgrynd came to understand that there is no single world that Veldanava has created.


He created many worlds.


There was one world, and there were no parallel worlds. But there were other worlds.


There were ‘otherworlders,’ so she was aware of that fact, but Velgrynd had never imagined that there were so many different worlds.


They were governed by completely different laws, and there was no causality. It was a material world within a great spiritual world of many different civilizations.


From the familiar world where swords and magic are the norm, to the world where magic is non-existent and cannot be used. There was also a rare world where scientific civilization had developed and humankind had become mechanized.


There were weak worlds that could be blown away by a True Dragon if it unleashed all of its strength, and there were desolate worlds where angels and demons comparable to awakened Demon Lords were in constant conflict.
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"Velgrynd continued to travel.
Yesterday, today, and tomorrow too.

The footsteps never stopped, and Velgrynd kept moving forward.

At that time, the place where Velgrynd and Rimuru had flown to was an otherworld that had transcended even time, and after she had successfully merged with the 'parallel existence' that had been knocked out by Feldway, she found herself in the middle of an otherworld with no direction at all."
-Vol 15 (16?)

If "Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow" refers to Past, Present and Future, then would this be qualify for 'Immeasurable speed' since Velgrynd causally walked through it??
 
RimuruSama076 said:
"Velgrynd continued to travel.
Yesterday, today, and tomorrow too.

The footsteps never stopped, and Velgrynd kept moving forward.

At that time, the place where Velgrynd and Rimuru had flown to was an otherworld that had transcended even time, and after she had successfully merged with the 'parallel existence' that had been knocked out by Feldway, she found herself in the middle of an otherworld with no direction at all."
-Vol 15 (16?)

If "Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow" refers to Past, Present and Future, then would this be qualify for 'Immeasurable speed' since Velgrynd causally walked through it??
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Again saying, the skill gets immeasurable because of that, but it's not Velgrynd's own speed, and well I think we can expect good things in the next volume as Rimuru was sent by Feldway to the same place as Velgrynd and Rimuru also says he didn't know if he was in the past, present or future, so we'll probably get more explanation about that, as well as the space between the worlds
 
There is bad news, you need to be in the highest level of the game to get info, right now I only can get first chapter and second, and tbh nothing is new lol
 
Peak said:
Again saying, the skill gets immeasurable because of that, but it's not Velgrynd's own speed,
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She doesn't have her Cthugha here yet, since she was still fighting Rimuru here (correct if i am wrong, I forgot most of it)

And from what it said here :
"Velgrynd continued to travel.
Yesterday, today, and tomorrow too.

The footsteps never stopped, and Velgrynd kept moving forward."

She casually Walked, Ran, Moved or (whatever tf you refer it) with her own body without involving any Ult skill
 
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