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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

JV_DLS said:
have you finished reading? have nothing to confirm or raise any skill in Slime?
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I finished it a few hours ago and no, I didn't see anything significant, there were many planetary and stellar deeds and declarations, but at no time did it go beyond that, In fact, Fuse even created the so-called "Stellar Particle" in this volume, Milim used it as a defense and no one could get through it, it was said to be superior to Uriel's defense too, in terms of hax, the most interesting was manipulation of the void I think, had the power that Zelanus used against Milim's dragon nova too and stuff like that, but nothing that raises the level
 
Ah yes, speed dozens of times above sound was treated as impressive, which is strange for me, being that in the previous volume Rimuru followed a battle that happened without time difference, probably an anti-feat
 
Peak said:
I finished it a few hours ago and no, I didn't see anything significant, there were many planetary and stellar deeds and declarations, but at no time did it go beyond that, In fact, Fuse even created the so-called "Stellar Particle" in this volume, Milim used it as a defense and no one could get through it, it was said to be superior to Uriel's defense too, in terms of hax, the most interesting was manipulation of the void I think, had the power that Zelanus used against Milim's dragon nova too and stuff like that, but nothing that raises the level
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So basically how was the issue of immeasurable speed? was it limited to the suspended world? Did you have any anti done? nothing was shown? and Ivaraj?
 
JV_DLS said:
So basically how was the issue of immeasurable speed? was it limited to the suspended world? Did you have any anti done? nothing was shown? and Ivaraj?
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It didn't have any feat of immeasurable speed in volume, in fact, it didn't even have any feat that surpassed the speed of light, the god tiers always have the speed referred to as "tremendous speed" or things like that, but it never gives the exact value, about the suspended world, there was also nothing to do with speed, but it was confirmed that you don't need to be a digital lifeform to move, and speaking of digital lifeform, there was nothing about it, there was a quote about digital lifeform but it was referring to Kondou who was summoned by Masayuki, Ivarage also did not appear in the volume at any time, he was quoted, but they were quotes referring to history and not to the power itself, as for speed, the fact of not having immeasurable speed at any time for me is already an anti-feat
 
Peak said:
It didn't have any feat of immeasurable speed in volume, in fact, it didn't even have any feat that surpassed the speed of light, the god tiers always have the speed referred to as "tremendous speed" or things like that, but it never gives the exact value, about the suspended world, there was also nothing to do with speed, but it was confirmed that you don't need to be a digital lifeform to move, and speaking of digital lifeform, there was nothing about it, there was a quote about digital lifeform but it was referring to Kondou who was summoned by Masayuki, Ivarage also did not appear in the volume at any time, he was quoted, but they were quotes referring to history and not to the power itself, as for speed, the fact of not having immeasurable speed at any time for me is already an anti-feat
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well I'm halfway through Vol, and from what I understand the immeasurable speed just wasn't used or something, For me Rimuru not using the immeasurable speed is not in itself an anti made, it's more like having and not wanting to use or something like that, but despite that it's very strange since everything could have been resolved with her, otherwise my fear of the supposed immeasurable speed being linked to the suspended world is confirming, now it's almost 1 year for a new Volume, ahhhh this love- hate relationship with Fuse 😅😅
 
Is there any solid anti feat like someone realizing or managing to hit Rimuru while supposedly moving at immeasurable speed?
 
Well, there's a moment where Rimuru wonders if he's going to give time to save Luminas from Dagruel (which is a spiritual life form) and Rimuru was in the suspended world, which makes it even more likely that Rimuru may not have infinity at all, it's strange, even reading it I can't tell if they pass the speed of light or not, Fuse didn't even pay much attention to digital lifeform and treated it as if it were the same thing as spiritual lifeform, I don't know if it's inconsistency or we misunderstood these last two volumes
 
Yohata said:
I have a question for you guys
What are the tiers of the characters in the LN rn (Rimuru / demon lords / dragons / top tier rimuru subordinates )
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Current Rimuru is stellar level

Awakened demon lords are safely continental, the above average tend to reach planetary or stellar at best

True dragons are also stellar

Rimuru's subordinates are planetary level with the exception of Carrera who has a stellar level gun.

However, the ones that are stellar level you can argue being 3-A if you use a statement from volume 17, but this is still being discussed

And in the In the case of demon lords, those that are stellar level are those comparable to true dragons, so it's hard to say overall, but in the lowest level of awakened demon lord it is continental and the lowest level of true dragon but in the lowest level of awakened demon lord it is continental and the lowest level of true dragon is stellar
 
Well, I think immeasurable speed will depend on how this snippet will be translated, but for now, it seems, it's immeasurable speed limited to the suspended world and not only that, apparently you can't move to any location you want, you must locate the information in the recognizable space and then transfer your information there, I honestly don't know how this will be handled by the wiki, while it can be infinite speed, it can also be immeasurable as long as you know the coordinates that information is (in this case, this information would have to be outside linear time), and well, at worst this could end up being space transport as was handled in this case
'Rimuru, can you hear me?

Veldora spoke to me on 'Telepathy Net'.

To be precise, 'thought information' is transmitted via 'Soul Corridor'. In "Suspended World", it is almost impossible to use magicule-based skills, so it is difficult to transmit even information, except for exceptions like us.

I mean, Veldora is not affected by Time Stop.

It's a wonder, of course...

'Yes, yes, I can hear you.

What are you talking about! The situation here is that Shion and Luminas are in danger ! Adalmann and the others are having a hard time too... but no one can stand against Dagruel's 'Time Stop'.

'Yeah? Was it Dagruel who stopped time?

'Yes, that's right. Dagruel was the one who wanted to end the game quickly!

I see. The culprit is suddenly revealed.

The fact that they are fighting with Shion's group, I guess they must have been 'Spatial Transportation' with their whole army, as I had feared. That's OK, Shion's group must have worked hard enough to make Dagruel take them seriously.

Suspended World' is only meant to cut off the legs of the weak, but it is very useful against those who can't cope with it. I got hit by it myself, and I didn't think I could even use Dagruel.

Now, what to do?

There are two problems here.

The first is that Shion and Luminas will be wiped out if no one comes to their rescue.

The second problem was the means of transportation.

Spatial Transportation' in Time Stop is basically impossible because it requires flying "information particles" to understand the surrounding information. It is basically impossible. Although it is possible to move within the visible range, it is meaningless because it is faster to move normally.

This is because, regardless of the distance, the coordinates of the destination must be read by interfering with the "information particle".

If the "information particle" has to be moved back and forth, it would be faster to move itself.

In this case, even if I go to the rescue now, Dagruel will finish his complete control of the area before I can reach Lubelius.

The result would be the same whether I went there or asked Veldora.

And since I was dealing with Milim, Veldora was the only one I could ask...

'Veldora, even if you can't make it in time, will you go to the rescue right now?

I've been waiting for you to say that!

I had hoped that Veldora would be in charge of the final defense of the labyrinth. However, now is not the time to talk about such things.

Now it's time to find a means of transportation.

Rimuru-sama, Ultima and 'thought' are connected. I'll send the coordinates to Veldora-sama.

Oh ?

It was Diablo who interrupted the conversation at this point.


" Spatial Transportation' is possible even in the 'Suspended World' as long as the coordinate information is known even at a long distance. ." "We have Ultima on site. Since Ultima is there, I shared the information with her senses."

I see.

You mean that's possible because you're connected to me through the Soul Corridor?


That's right .


You assured me so, but long-distance transfer during Time Stop is an illegal subterfuge.

It's not possible.

The fact that those who can recognize the Suspended World are connected to each other by the Soul Corridor is so exceptional that I was speechless.

In this case, anything is possible.

But I will not hold back.

'Ultima, please!

'Yes, sir! Rimuru-sama, leave it to me ! Veldora-sama, is this all right?

Thank you! Quahahaaha, my turn has come at last ! ' Veldora's laughter is so encouraging that I can't help but laugh.

Veldora's laughter is encouraging.

Moreover, the fact that Diablo and Ultima are now able to recognize the "Suspended World" is also very reassuring in this situation.

And then I felt Veldora shift.

The world started moving again.


It seems that Veldora has done as I had believed.

I feel at ease and resume my mission.

I fly toward the barren land, trying to distract Milim, who is in a runaway state.
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What is strange about this change, in battle it can be used as speed and distance is used as space transport, Another thing I don't understand is what digital lifeform treatment is getting here, do they only have an advantage in the suspended world? Because Rimuru doesn't look different from the others, what is the difference between digital and spiritual life forms in the suspended world? I hope Fuse answers this in the next volumes, but I decided to share with you what I took from it.
 
Peak said:
Well, I think immeasurable speed will depend on how this snippet will be translated, but for now, it seems, it's immeasurable speed limited to the suspended world and not only that, apparently you can't move to any location you want, you must locate the information in the recognizable space and then transfer your information there, I honestly don't know how this will be handled by the wiki, while it can be infinite speed, it can also be immeasurable as long as you know the coordinates that information is (in this case, this information would have to be outside linear time), and well, at worst this could end up being space transport as was handled in this case

What is strange about this change, in battle it can be used as speed and distance is used as space transport, Another thing I don't understand is what digital lifeform treatment is getting here, do they only have an advantage in the suspended world? Because Rimuru doesn't look different from the others, what is the difference between digital and spiritual life forms in the suspended world? I hope Fuse answers this in the next volumes, but I decided to share with you what I took from it.
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For speed ig if im not wrong Veldora just actually leap Trought time Right..i guess its better to wait official MTL to confirm my feeling is actually Veldora leapt trought time by usi
ng hes Speed alone..or it could be just hes space time Manipulation...
 
Peak said:
Current Rimuru is stellar level

Awakened demon lords are safely continental, the above average tend to reach planetary or stellar at best

True dragons are also stellar

Rimuru's subordinates are planetary level with the exception of Carrera who has a stellar level gun.

However, the ones that are stellar level you can argue being 3-A if you use a statement from volume 17, but this is still being discussed

And in the In the case of demon lords, those that are stellar level are those comparable to true dragons, so it's hard to say overall, but in the lowest level of awakened demon lord it is continental and the lowest level of true dragon but in the lowest level of awakened demon lord it is continental and the lowest level of true dragon is stellar
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No tier 2 yet ?
 
"The evil dragon that had leapt through time and space, the invincible Veldora, whom Luminas hated but longed for, had blocked Dagruel's attack, which had been hopelessly powerful." Do u guy think veldora use spatial Teleportation or speed...cuz for me i think he use speed reason just like rimuru explain to use spatial teleportation veldora has to know the coordinates of Luminas were...
 
Dread said:
@Peak is the film Canon and the game as well? Btw I think the game may get us new abilities or perhaps a tier tho
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Game yes cuz The story still has conection with the real story and also the storg is created by Fuse.. also in the labyrinth there are infinite reflection of mirror and each of those reflection has a universe.. prolly just 2A...
 
rainheart said:
Game yes cuz The story still has conection with the real story and also the storg is created by Fuse.. also in the labyrinth there are infinite reflection of mirror and each of those reflection has a universe.. prolly just 2A...
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So why not upgrade? I would even help with it. We just need to do like xenoverse and create new verse page and redirect it to main verse.
 
Dread said:
So why not upgrade? I would even help with it. We just need to do like xenoverse and create new verse page and redirect it to main verse.
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Wanna play the game but tk many errors.. its hard to log in the game im lazy.. My old acaunt is gone damm..
 
rainheart said:
For speed ig if im not wrong Veldora just actually leap Trought time Right..i guess its better to wait official MTL to confirm my feeling is actually Veldora leapt trought time by usi
ng hes Speed alone..or it could be just hes space time Manipulation...
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the speed that Veldora used is the same that Michael, Chloe and Rimuru use in volume 19, the thing is, the speed is limited because, for example, in Veldora's case, he couldn't go to Dagruel with sheer speed, because it's simple, Veldora can't locate the information particle because his perception doesn't reach that recognizable space, that's why at that moment, Ultima was pivotal, as he passed the coordinates to Veldora, and then he was able to transfer into battle with zero time difference, and this is treated as velocity because the particle does not jump, but moves to the other coordinate, this kind of statement referring to having to recognize space was also used in volume 19, but continuing, so far I believe it is not complicated to understand how the information particle works, the problem comes next

Is the information particle in space a feature of the suspended world? In other words, without the suspended world, are there information particles in space as well? If it is something exclusive to the suspended world, then the speed will be even more limited, working only in the suspended world.

The other question is, how important is digital lifeform and how is it different from spiritual lifeform? This question is due to the fact that, apparently, spiritual lifeform can move in the suspended world, like Dagruel and Veldora (unless it is confirmed at some point that for some reason they became a digital lifeform)

And the interaction with information in Tensura is common so I don't think it refers to abstract existence, so what kind the digital lifeform advantage does it have? Can anyone theorize something related to this?
 
Yohata said:
No tier 2 yet ?
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Nah, the only tier 2 being in Tensura is Veldanava for creating all the worlds, but he doesn't even have a profile so it's useless, but don't be surprised by this, the author was never one to give high tier to the characters even in WN, Rimuru WN himself only got 2-B in the last chapter if he doesn't tell the afterstory, and well, there are still 2 volumes to finish, so verse can continue star level or they can go up suddenly how was it on WN
 
Dread said:
@Peak is the film Canon and the game as well? Btw I think the game may get us new abilities or perhaps a tier tho
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the game and movie stories are written and supervised by the author, so I think it can be scaled like that, but I'm not really into the game so I don't know if there's anything there
 
What tier do you guys scale Ultimate Slime Light Novel Rimuru to currently?
 
I think some people hd misunderstood the statement, Diablo & Ultima can't move on 'Suspended world', Rimuru only said they can "Perceive" it, just like how Luminas can stay Conscious but can't move.

And they're also communicating through Soul corridor using Information thingy
 
RimuruSama076 said:
I think some people hd misunderstood the statement, Diablo & Ultima can't move on 'Suspended world', Rimuru only said they can "Perceive" it, just like how Luminas can stay Conscious but can't move.

And they're also communicating through Soul corridor using Information thingy
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Nah they do can move there are Prove.. That ultima just sayd leave it To me rimuru sama.. its mean tgat Ultima does can move.
 
Can anyone send the immesurerable speed chapter or scans I have been hearing LN Rimuru is immeasurable speed everywhere. I couldn't find it in the profile.
 
RimuruSama076 said:
So what do you guys think of "inexhaustible Nihilistic energy" so unlike WN, LN Turn null is infinite?
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No, Turn null is actually very similar to WN, the question is not whether it is infinite or not, but how much Rimuru/Ciel can control, just like in WN he had infinite stamina and Turn null but couldn't destroy infinite universes for example, but let's wait for more details, Turn null has not yet been fully explored
 
Peak said:
so what kind the digital lifeform advantage does it have?
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I think DLF able to Control/Manipulate Information at will.. and also imea speed should still be Cuz thats the natur Of DLF they transcend time and space Just like the nature of IP they can go to any point with no time Lag..
But we still need info.. damm we have tk wait again for more infk about DLF.
 
Phoenks said:
no way, Ultimate Slime Rimuru is faster than the speed of sound???
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This is also being discussed, but Rimuru has infinite/immeasurable reaction and probably limited infinite/immeasurable speed, this is also being discussed
 
RimuruSama076 said:
I think some people hd misunderstood the statement, Diablo & Ultima can't move on 'Suspended world', Rimuru only said they can "Perceive" it, just like how Luminas can stay Conscious but can't move.

And they're also communicating through Soul corridor using Information thingy
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I don't think anyone is using them but Veldora and Dagruel who are spiritual lifeform and can move in the same way as digital beings
 
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