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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Diablo_ said:
Fuse called him "Lolicon " most likely because he was so obsessed with Chloe .
I don't think he is literally a Lolicon .
By the way he is also the Editor of Class room of the Elite
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Community_Gamer said:
Oh COTE is my favorite LN. Already he's cool
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Coincidentally I am reading COTE but this editor is not really amazing? The two works he participates as editor are among the 10 best selling works of the last years
 
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Pokemonfan807 said:
let me get this straight

WN Rimuru: Good guy

LN Rimuru: Mix of good guy and bad guy. (said he was worse than yuuki sometimes)

Anime Rimuru: ?
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In the Webnovel I don't remember well, but in the light novel Rimuru was never a bad guy, even in war he chooses to revive the enemy if possible and still forgives and frees them as he did with as he did with the soldiers of the empire, the only time he cruelly killed was the army of Farmus, and well, he had great reasons for that, Rimuru's aim is noble and he is pacifist, this to the point of forgiving the empire, he also gave a a peaceful ending to Michael, revealing Ciel to show he is not the only Manas, and forgiving Yuuki and his companions, among other things. Yuuki's aim is noble but he is arrogant and never had mercy on executing plans that harmed innocent people, in the end he dies as an anti-hero but doesn't come close to Rimuru's kindness, anyway, naturally I spoke superficially without saying deeply about each one, but I think I could understand the differences between Rimuru and Yuuki
 
Oh yes, about the anime, I would say that it looks nicer than usual because they put more comedy than usual while in the manga and novel it is more reduced
 
LoganKroos said:
damn, 42 pages, I noticed a thing, if you see all the notifications right then you will continue to receive notifications, but if you ignore at least one of them you will stop receiving notifications, that's something I noticed today
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yeah VSB is really trash with notifications
 
Peak said:
I always confuse the names, but I was referring to the true heroes

Hinata managed to become a full saint, I just don't remember when, I think it was against Granbell, but back to the main topic, I thought it went something like this:wise> >saint>hero egg>true hero

but apparently being a saint doesn't interfere with anything regarding the hero's egg, I accept this easily because a true demon lord like Gabiru couldn't evolve into a full spiritual lifeform, this concept is interesting too, actually world building by Tensura is something I've never seen the same, it's an absurd richness, this immersion that I feel reading and discovering about the work is something I only felt watching mushoku tensei
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Hinata has the power of a full Saint whenever she uses her holy spirit armor. She doesn't do this against Granbell mainly because he was weaker than her and didn't have an opportunity to. Granbell really showed his skill (technical ability) and experience. But yeah whether you become a spiritual lifeform is actually based on race and potential. Rimuru/Raphael is essentially Elder Kai for his subordinates, ultimately unlocking their maximum potential and optimizing their attributes which they may have not on their own.

This concept of racial potential was set up in V8 when they gave exposition about Fairies. Most races descend from them. So their lifespans and abilities are derived from them. Evolutions are simply unlocking this "Physic Power" which is bringing them closer to the disposition of incarnated spirits aka faires which makes them semi-spiritual beings. But not everyone has the ability or potential to become spiritual lifeforms.

Think about it, Gabil started as a Lizardmen, not a Dragonewt. A Dragonewt isn't a semi-spiritual lifeform. Same with Geld. This is mainly why the Kijin/Oni had the advantage since they started out closer to their max potential.

I could go on but you get the idea.
 
Peak said:
Scaling Chloe to immeasurable above baseline gg

I wonder why Fuse made Chloe so OP in LN, she wasn't like that in WN, right? Maybe it was the editor's request lol
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She was pretty ridiculous in the WN too but she was more so Base Milim and Velzard level yeah. I mean explained the with the hope narrative thing, take that and combine that with Chloe being the strongest hero it makes sense. Chloe is the chosen one, she's what the typical anime protagonist is supposed to be. She'd be relatively bland and generic IF not for framing the story from Rimuru's perspective (really the entire story is from the villain or demon lord perspective....the Heroes kinda suck, same with the angels. Its obviously not that black and white, but you get the idea).

Anyway she is hope so she'll probably always overcome.
 
Peak said:
It makes me think aloud of Granbell as well, as he was able to acquire Sariel on his own, but didn't know how to use it properly, from what was said in the battle against Luminas, Sariel's specialty is also life and death, but it seems Chloe has elevated that to something else, this should be another skill that Ciel should explain better in the next volume as he is analyzing the skill.

And the characters should give more credit to Chloe's feat, they were impressed that Ciel altered Veldanava's abilities, but Chloe in addition to doing that, got out of the domination system without losing Sariel, and was also able to change his own ability to God level, something only Ciel had achieved
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Yeah agreed. Micheal could've potentially managed something greater than what he did if wasn't so single-minded and arrogant. He didn't even realize or care to think about the fault in his abilities until it became immediately relevant. He also made a similar mistake to Dino. He wasn't properly utilizing his most important ability. That being his domination, considering how Saladphon worked so well will King of Justice he could have probably done more with King of Justice had he tried. Instead, he tried to simply rely on abilities he wasn't fully familiar with or skills of combat he hadn't actually honed. Kinda like Feldway in that manner, which reflects nicing on Manas being similar to their hosts as they are a part of them.
 
Peak said:
In the Webnovel I don't remember well, but in the light novel Rimuru was never a bad guy, even in war he chooses to revive the enemy if possible and still forgives and frees them as he did with as he did with the soldiers of the empire, the only time he cruelly killed was the army of Farmus, and well, he had great reasons for that, Rimuru's aim is noble and he is pacifist, this to the point of forgiving the empire, he also gave a a peaceful ending to Michael, revealing Ciel to show he is not the only Manas, and forgiving Yuuki and his companions, among other things. Yuuki's aim is noble but he is arrogant and never had mercy on executing plans that harmed innocent people, in the end he dies as an anti-hero but doesn't come close to Rimuru's kindness, anyway, naturally I spoke superficially without saying deeply about each one, but I think I could understand the differences between Rimuru and Yuuki
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what about anime rimuru.
 
Community_Gamer said:
Hinata has the power of a full Saint whenever she uses her holy spirit armor. She doesn't do this against Granbell mainly because he was weaker than her and didn't have an opportunity to. Granbell really showed his skill (technical ability) and experience. But yeah whether you become a spiritual lifeform is actually based on race and potential. Rimuru/Raphael is essentially Elder Kai for his subordinates, ultimately unlocking their maximum potential and optimizing their attributes which they may have not on their own.

This concept of racial potential was set up in V8 when they gave exposition about Fairies. Most races descend from them. So their lifespans and abilities are derived from them. Evolutions are simply unlocking this "Physic Power" which is bringing them closer to the disposition of incarnated spirits aka faires which makes them semi-spiritual beings. But not everyone has the ability or potential to become spiritual lifeforms.

Think about it, Gabil started as a Lizardmen, not a Dragonewt. A Dragonewt isn't a semi-spiritual lifeform. Same with Geld. This is mainly why the Kijin/Oni had the advantage since they started out closer to their max potential.

I could go on but you get the idea.
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yes, i got it, the same can be said in reverse, there are beings that are not something special in strength, but because they are derived from spirits, they are already spiritual lifeform since forever, like demons for example
 
Community_Gamer said:
She was pretty ridiculous in the WN too but she was more so Base Milim and Velzard level yeah. I mean explained the with the hope narrative thing, take that and combine that with Chloe being the strongest hero it makes sense. Chloe is the chosen one, she's what the typical anime protagonist is supposed to be. She'd be relatively bland and generic IF not for framing the story from Rimuru's perspective (really the entire story is from the villain or demon lord perspective....the Heroes kinda suck, same with the angels. Its obviously not that black and white, but you get the idea).

Anyway she is hope so she'll probably always overcome.
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I found this interesting, I mean, usually in isekai the demon lord is usually some kind of final villain and the protagonist who is the hero like Chloe, here we are already on the side of the demon lords while there are 2 antagonists who are heroes (Granbell, Rudra) and angels like in Tenma war, this is pretty crazy, at least i can say that Fuse tried to innovate in the world system lol
 
Peak said:
I found this interesting, I mean, usually in isekai the demon lord is usually some kind of final villain and the protagonist who is the hero like Chloe, here we are already on the side of the demon lords while there are 2 antagonists who are heroes (Granbell, Rudra) and angels like in Tenma war, this is pretty crazy, at least i can say that Fuse tried to innovate in the world system lol
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yeah i agree on what you said fuse is really creative in his work
 
Community_Gamer said:
Yeah agreed. Micheal could've potentially managed something greater than what he did if wasn't so single-minded and arrogant. He didn't even realize or care to think about the fault in his abilities until it became immediately relevant. He also made a similar mistake to Dino. He wasn't properly utilizing his most important ability. That being his domination, considering how Saladphon worked so well will King of Justice he could have probably done more with King of Justice had he tried. Instead, he tried to simply rely on abilities he wasn't fully familiar with or skills of combat he hadn't actually honed. Kinda like Feldway in that manner, which reflects nicing on Manas being similar to their hosts as they are a part of them.
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Michael was by far the most flawed character, he reminds me of Ultima and Carrera who relied only on strength and didn't pay attention to perfecting their own skills and technical abilities, they needed advice from Diablo and beatings from Velgrynd to finally realize they can't win just by pushing with raw power, the difference is that Michael never learned even when he saw his own flaws, that's why despite the great EP and having the skills of Velgrynd and Velzard, I still think he loses to Guy, Velzard and maybe even Rudra
 
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Diablo_ said:
Well Carrera was stated to be really diligent by Ultima .She was just too haughty to pay any attention to perfect her skills
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Yes, but that changed, with Ultima being the last of the trio to notice, so she became the least powerful of the trio, Carrera at least trained her technical skills using the sword for example
 
LoganKroos said:
web novel has more hax until volume 19, but after Ciel assimilates angelic abilities with the castle guard, the light novel almost certainly wins
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Was the powers of angelic skills explained? For now I don't think they are that powerful to the point of going against Rimuru WN's haxs
 
Does Rimuru being able to manipulate information that is the fundamental aspect of Tensura give some kind of conceptual manipulation or am I very wrong?
 
Peak said:
I found this interesting, I mean, usually in isekai the demon lord is usually some kind of final villain and the protagonist who is the hero like Chloe, here we are already on the side of the demon lords while there are 2 antagonists who are heroes (Granbell, Rudra) and angels like in Tenma war, this is pretty crazy, at least i can say that Fuse tried to innovate in the world system lol
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Yeah Tensura has always been a spoof of the genre.
 
Peak said:
Michael was by far the most flawed character, he reminds me of Ultima and Carrera who relied only on strength and didn't pay attention to perfecting their own skills and technical abilities, they needed advice from Diablo and beatings from Velgrynd to finally realize they can't win just by pushing with raw power, the difference is that Michael never learned even when he saw his own flaws, that's why despite the great EP and having the skills of Velgrynd and Velzard, I still think he loses to Guy, Velzard and maybe even Rudra
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I can see Guy, and Rudra with his body, but Velzard idk we don't know enough about her to say how skilled she is compared to someone significant stronger than her. And we don't all her abilities and potential techniques. We'll find out next volume.
 
Peak said:
Yes, but that changed, with Ultima being the last of the trio to notice, so she became the least powerful of the trio, Carrera at least trained her technical skills using the sword for example
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Carrera is my favorite Primordial. She is probably beating all of the Patrons except Zegion and potentially Diablo imo.
 
Peak said:
With equal speed, who would win between Rimuru WN and LN?
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Excluding absorbing Michael.... WN still has Time Leap, at least Universal attacks with Turn Null. Although LN can absorb destruction energy so he could potentially defend against it.

The biggest advantage is that unlike WN, Azathoth can transition entire spaces into Imaginary Space without directing absorbing a target. But LN hits WN with Void Collapse, World of a Thousand Blooming Changes and absorbs with Azathoth GG.
 
Community_Gamer said:
Carrera is my favorite Primordial. She is probably beating all of the Patrons except Zegion and potentially Diablo imo.
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I think Testarossa can beat her too btw

She was the one Velgrynd took care of the most and has been compared to Diablo several times, and as Rimuru says, for demons, experience and skill with magic is everything, Carrera's advantage is its AP which is the highest of the primaries, second only to Guy
 
Community_Gamer said:
I can see Guy, and Rudra with his body, but Velzard idk we don't know enough about her to say how skilled she is compared to someone significant stronger than her. And we don't all her abilities and potential techniques. We'll find out next volume.
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There are people who scaled her above Guy in his adult form, but I already think it's crazy
 
Community_Gamer said:
Excluding absorbing Michael.... WN still has Time Leap, at least Universal attacks with Turn Null. Although LN can absorb destruction energy so he could potentially defend against it.

The biggest advantage is that unlike WN, Azathoth can transition entire spaces into Imaginary Space without directing absorbing a target. But LN hits WN with Void Collapse, World of a Thousand Blooming Changes and absorbs with Azathoth GG.
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Reality manipulation of turn null and static reduction with negative energy would be the biggest challenge here, I would consider acausality 3 with the body in imaginary space, but if Michael really is dead then Rimuru LN should be able to deny that
 
Peak said:
Rimuru LN has 4D time stop, imaginary Blade, World of a Thousand Blooming Changes and possibly acausality denial 3 if Michael really died
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I don't think Rimuru LN could handle Rimuru WN's Immortality 9 and Acas 4, apart from the energy issue because if it turns into a battle of resistance, Rimuru WN has a mana reactor and the Morbius System as "unlimited" energy generators, besides that Rimuru WN has more resistances because of the Akash Recorder
 
Peak said:
I think Testarossa can beat her too btw

She was the one Velgrynd took care of the most and has been compared to Diablo several times, and as Rimuru says, for demons, experience and skill with magic is everything, Carrera's advantage is its AP which is the highest of the primaries, second only to Guy
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I would agree if Carrea didn't have better feats and statements besides that their experiences aren't too dissimilar. If anything Carrea has Kondo's help so I'd still lean towards Carrea regardless. Testarossa is like Diablo, albeit less so, a lot of hype but not an equal amount of evidence to support it.
 
Peak said:
Reality manipulation of turn null and static reduction with negative energy would be the biggest challenge here, I would consider acausality 3 with the body in imaginary space, but if Michael really is dead then Rimuru LN should be able to deny that
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The fact that, Thousand Blooming Changes can disintegrate Micheal and he couldn't regenerate is quite crazy.
 
Peak said:
Rimuru LN has 4D time stop, imaginary Blade, World of a Thousand Blooming Changes and possibly acausality denial 3 if Michael really died
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I forgot about Imaginary Blade, not sure if that'd actually work but he doesn't need it since Azaoth can seamlessly consume entire areas of reality.
 
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would netflix really butcher the tensei slime series really badly?
 
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