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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Diablo_ said:
In the same way how a 3-D being can resist 4-D time stop .The important thing to notice here is that time stop caps at 4-D .So even if someone were to stop time at a 5-D scale it will only be a feat of range unless it is described to be some sort of superior time stop or anything .

I don't think you need to 4-D to resist SW. It's just that no one has standard time stop resistance in Tensura now(Well if you must become DLF to move in SW theory is true ) .So they have to become DLF to overcome the weakness .
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I understand, thanks for the explanation, and well i really believe that only digital beings can move at time stop, so at least standard resistance shouldn't be enough
 
Peak said:
I understand, thanks for the explanation, and well i really believe that only digital beings can move at time stop, so at least standard resistance shouldn't be enough
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Well fiction doesn't always follow real life logic so Suspended world being some kind of higher time stop or anything isn't completely impossible though
 
LoganKroos said:
Guy, Rudra and Rimuru are anomalies, you can't apply logic with them, Rudra to say, he had just been reincarnated, he was in masayuki's weak body, in the middle of a totally unfavorable battlefield, without weapons, strategy or spells prepared for that occasion, and only with improvisation he managed to turn the situation completely in his favor, summon and command everyone in the room, protect the civilians in addition to smashing Fedway No Diff which is possibly the 3 or 4 strongest in the work so far. the moment, the guy is too sinister, i'm almost sure that in his heyday he's stronger than rimuru volume 19
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While I don't agree with what you said I understand what you are trying to convey
 
Catpija said:
The wiki doesnt use that theory
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I see .So in this wiki Time itself is just a single dimension and the combination of spacetime is 4-D

So "Time is 4th dimension" theory is actually problematic due to the fact that Time isn't necessarily always the 4th dimension.
 
Diablo_ said:
So "Time is 4th dimension" theory is actually problematic due to the fact that Time isn't necessarily always the 4th dimension.
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As far as i know, the flaw in that theory is that it considered the first, second, and third dimension to be timeless, not that good at explaining it so instead here someone who could

 
Peak said:
so...the conclusion is that there is a 3D time stop?
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Listen. Time is part is a construct outside space. It is composed of temporal dimensions which are irregular dimensions because we cannot perceive them nor comprehend them. So there is no 2D, 3D, etc Time stop.

You have different levels of time in fiction for sure but they aren't related or even similar to spatial dimensions.

Unless you are saying "4-D time stop" to mean time that can effect 4-D being, otherwise its just incoherent.

That's how feel at least.
 
Community_Gamer said:
Listen. Time is part is a construct outside space. It is composed of temporal dimensions which are irregular dimensions because we cannot perceive them nor comprehend them. So there is no 2D, 3D, etc Time stop.

You have different levels of time in fiction for sure but they aren't related or even similar to spatial dimensions.

Unless you are saying "4-D time stop" to mean time that can effect 4-D being, otherwise its just incoherent.

That's how feel at least.
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now I understand, thanks for the explanations and for the patience
 
if your existence is 4D, do your haxs and powers also become 4D or do you need hard evidence that they are 4D too? In other words, do digital lifeform haxs remain 3D or become 4D?
 
Peak said:
They being composed of information particles that transcend time and space by nature wouldn't give 4D in dimensionality?
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trascending time and space doesnt mean anything, especially when the context said that its only give resistance

Either way, you can only choose one interpretation

A. Digital Being trascend time-space, they are 4D
B. Digital Being trascend time-space, and the only thing that can move beyond light speed, they have immeasureable speed
C. Digital Being trascended time-space as they unaffected, they can move regardless of time, thus they have resistance to time manipulation, which makes sense considering the narrative for Rimuru to move at Suspended World

so yeah, personally i think its only resistance imo
 
Catpija said:
trascending time and space doesnt mean anything, especially when the context said that its only give resistance

Either way, you can only choose one interpretation

A. Digital Being trascend time-space, they are 4D
B. Digital Being trascend time-space, and the only thing that can move beyond light speed, they have immeasureable speed
C. Digital Being trascended time-space as they unaffected, they can move regardless of time, thus they have resistance to time manipulation, which makes sense considering the narrative for Rimuru to move at Suspended World

so yeah, personally i think its only resistance imo
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Hmm so do you personally believe that digital lifeform has infinite rather than immeasurable speed? I confess I was thinking a little out loud and I thought that digital lifeform had the 3 factors together instead of having just one type of interpretation
 
Peak said:
Hmm so do you personally believe that digital lifeform has infinite rather than immeasurable speed?
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Well you could change my mind if you want to argue about it
Peak said:
I confess I was thinking a little out loud and I thought that digital lifeform had the 3 factors together instead of having just one type of interpretation
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Yeah thats straight up not possible, to put it in perspective, a random dude stated that he could survive from existence erasure, we can interpret this as

A. he have godly regeneration for being able to come back from erasure
B He have resistance since he can tank the ability and be unaffected
C. He have limited Nonexistent Physiology as he can survive being "non-exist" and able to do stuff after being erased
 
Peak said:
if your existence is 4D, do your haxs and powers also become 4D or do you need hard evidence that they are 4D too? In other words, do digital lifeform haxs remain 3D or become 4D?
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Since DLF's are entirely compared of matter that inherently transcend space and time. It would logically sound to assume that DLF's are also transcendent of space and time.

Well it does depend on interpretation. You'd have to create more credence for this to be the most likely interpretation. I think I could argue it but tbh it doesn't matter to me if the are 4D. Its definitely not a time stop resistance due how its explained.
 
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Peak said:
Interesting, last question, if a hax of a digital being works on another digital being then it will be a 4D hax, as in the case of reverse fate, right?
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No that's depends on the hax itself. If anything hax based physics shouldn't work on DLF's so if they do that's more telling. Levels of resistance and all that.
 
Catpija said:
Well you could change my mind if you want to argue about it
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Well, I don't know if I'll be able to convince you with the little information we have, actually having immeasurable speed in LN is incredibly difficult because you would have to have something like acausality type 4 or 5 for that, since Rimuru would have to travel to the past or future, but the system doesn't allow it because he can't co-exist with the other Rimuru from that timeline, or he can also travel to the past or future in another universe like Velgrynd did, this last option I believe is possible since Ciel started to investigate about it


Anyway, is there another way to concretely prove that immeasurable speed without the character being explicitly told that he is able to go to the past or future?
 
Catpija said:
Yeah thats straight up not possible, to put it in perspective, a random dude stated that he could survive from existence erasure, we can interpret this as

A. he have godly regeneration for being able to come back from erasure
B He have resistance since he can tank the ability and be unaffected
C. He have limited Nonexistent Physiology as he can survive being "non-exist" and able to do stuff after being erased
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Oh that was a good example, I've seen this kind of discussion around here
 
Community_Gamer said:
No that's depends on the hax itself. If anything hax based physics shouldn't work on DLF's so if they do that's more telling. Levels of resistance and all that.
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honestly, looking at how Fuse treats ultimate skills as something special (which in fact it is), I think anyone who has it can achieve a digital being, so I don't know how the resistance levels will be measured, in fact, digital lifeform can also just give abstract existence and higher speed instead of some kind of resistance
 
Peak said:
Well, I don't know if I'll be able to convince you with the little information we have, actually having immeasurable speed in LN is incredibly difficult because you would have to have something like acausality type 4 or 5 for that, since Rimuru would have to travel to the past or future, but the system doesn't allow it because he can't co-exist with the other Rimuru from that timeline, or he can also travel to the past or future in another universe like Velgrynd did, this last option I believe is possible since Ciel started to investigate about it


Anyway, is there another way to concretely prove that immeasurable speed without the character being explicitly told that he is able to go to the past or future?
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Well, if anyone can come close to getting the Acas 4 or 5, it's digital beings.

As for the immeasurable speed, for me it's very likely yes, but I'm not sure if the fuse will give an explicit proof of that, since it's been said that the particle information can go anywhere at any time with no time difference, but No I don't know if the fuse will make some character actually perform the feat of going to the future or the past, maybe some villain trying to achieve something at that specific moment in time
 
What exactly makes a character 4D? have freedom and be able to fully control space-time, not being affected in any way by it and being able to destroy it? or is it not exactly like that?
 
Helestias said:
What the hell is wrong with this notification system.lol
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If you don't check for a reason bit it just ***** itself. Some times it doesn't even matter if you or don't.

We really need to an official discord. General discussions, posting scans, and talking with multiple people at the same would be much easier.
 
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