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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Crazy how Rudra is the only one so far who can crush Castle Guard easily by overpowering it🔥🔥🔥
its even crazier when you considered Rudra was using a weak frail body of a middle school teenager, and somehow can momentarily blitz Feldway who can keep up with Velgyrnd. They had to nerf him or else he solos everyone in the verse
 
Michael was not a digital lifeform when he faced Obera, in the battle against Rimuru it is said that he got the time stop after analyzing Velzard's power completely, if he had the time stop and was a digital lifeform at that time, he could just activate the SW and clear out Obera and the soldiers before she escapes.
I'm not sure about that being true but I see your point.
 
its even crazier when you considered Rudra was using a weak frail body of a middle school teenager, and somehow can momentarily blitz Feldway who can keep up with Velgyrnd. They had to nerf him or else he solos everyone in the verse
Chloe > Rudra

I love Rudra but the strongest hero still beats the first hero. ALTHOUGH if Rudra had Uriel and for some had King of Heroes.....yikes.
 
Sauce? I shall verify. Although I don't really care much for author statements but still interesting.
For the verse to reach High1A, it would have to be proven that the transcendental worlds surpass 5D so it would be a clear proof that there was a hierarchy, so instead of 2B it would be 1B, there are worlds beyond directions and worlds without directions, if the first hypothesis is correct then it would be 0D and low 1A, there can be more than 1 world low 1A, if the spiritual world really encompasses the material worlds including low1A then it would be 1A, and as there are spiritual worlds more powerful than each other such as the world of ghosts, cryptds and Insectars, the promised land is beyond the totality of the spirit worlds 1A, so the promised land would be High1A, and depending on the verse it can climb some layers if the cosmology continues, and if it doesn't hear any contradiction and veldanava actually be the omnipotent in its verse without seeing any possibility of seeing someone above him or a limit he can reach then he would be tier 0, of course the hypotheses need to be proven
 
Chloe > Rudra

I love Rudra but the strongest hero still beats the first hero. ALTHOUGH if Rudra had Uriel and for some had King of Heroes.....yikes.
Fuse could very well create a story about Rudra's backstory and his feud between him and Guy, plus the stories of Clhoe's adventures through the timelines, would be awesome
 
I was joking when I said that Veldanava has chance of being 1-A.But L1-C is definitely possible

Anyway I honestly will be happy if he balances the god tiers .I won't mind new abilities but I am not interested in tier boost beyond L2-C now .
Power scaling alone can rune an anime's or character's reputation (Goku for example )
I don't understand why anyone would like to power scale Tensura would want them to be higher than universal. Currently I think universal is stretch but it could totally happen. Tensura survives better at lower tiers anyway (if you are into crossverse for any reason).

I want better and more intricate hax like Reverse Fate.
 
Fuse could very well create a story about Rudra's backstory and his feud between him and Guy, plus the stories of Clhoe's adventures through the timelines, would be awesome
Yeah people seem to over look the fact Chloe is already a Hero and fully grown adult by the time they start the loop. So there's clearly missing information from beyond the 2,000 years we know about from her.

I don't think there's much else you could do with Guy and Rudra's relationship but early Rudra and his journey would be nice. How he met Velgrynd and more Lucia.
 
I don't understand why anyone would like to power scale Tensura would want them to be higher than universal. Currently I think universal is stretch but it could totally happen. Tensura survives better at lower tiers anyway (if you are into crossverse for any reason).

I want better and more intricate hax like Reverse Fate.
man for me it doesn't matter if rimuru is 1A or 2C, I follow slime for the story that is magnificent, truly a masterpiece, now about rimuru's powers, I will have to disagree, Rimuru with his hax is absolute for most multiversal beings , and if he was 1A it would still be no different, if rimuru was 1A with six hax you can count on your fingers the verses that would have characters to even give him a dispute, literally most would die just with his presence
 
Michael was not a digital lifeform when he faced Obera, in the battle against Rimuru it is said that he got the time stop after analyzing Velzard's power completely, if he had the time stop and was a digital lifeform at that time, he could just activate the SW and clear out Obera and the soldiers before she escapes.
michael should already be an DLF since he born as a manas..
 
Yes, I found Rimuru a bit annoying to be way above all of verse in the webnovel, but in the webnovel it's possible he doesn't even get 2-B to make things more balanced, and I wouldn't hate that to be honest
Rimuru is totally annoying in the WN and its very much not earned or satisfying. I'd rather be some contention on who's actually the strongest. Feldway, Chloe, Velzard, Milim, Zelanus, and Ivarage being the most worthy imo.
 
michael should already be an DLF since he born as a manas..
No that doesn't mean his body is made of Information Particles. We know it wasn't because it was just Parallel Existence within Rudra's body. So he wasn't until after evolved from absorbing the Dragon Factors. Specifically Velzard's and analyzed her skills.
 
michael should already be an DLF since he born as a manas..
and he is, but only in consciousness and not in body, in the same way that Ciel was already a digital life form but rimuru was not, so much ciel when Michael need to modify the body of rimuru and Rudra to be digital, just like the rudra practically turned into a kind of Manas for Masayuki making him have all that power, although the skill is Masayki's full merit
 
a and if you are looking for verses with the quality of Slime I recommend "Lord of the Mysteries", along with Slime easily one of the most magnificent works I've ever read in my life, search the title and put images for you to see what works by art
 
and he is, but only in consciousness and not in body, in the same way that Ciel was already a digital life form but rimuru was not, so much ciel when Michael need to modify the body of rimuru and Rudra to be digital, just like the rudra practically turned into a kind of Manas for Masayuki making him have all that power, although the skill is Masayki's full merit
Well its not their DLF's because that's implying their spiritual lifeforms made if information particles. Its just that Manas as sentient collections of information particles. But yeah you have the right idea.
 
I'm not sure about that being true but I see your point.
I think so because of this scene

At this point, there was no point in stopping time.





Michael lifted the ‘Time Stop’ and decided to crush Rimuru with an overwhelming difference in power. The ‘Time Stop’ had been obtained by analyzing Velzard’s ‘Patience King Gabriel,’ but it was useless to someone who could manipulate information particles at will. Since maintaining it would only consume unnecessary energy, he decided that it would be more advantageous to fight in a straightforward manner.





In fact, Michael has gained great power by taking in the factors of the two “True Dragons.” His body had been strengthened to the point of invincibility, and he was overflowing with energy.





And that wasn’t all.





Michael, as befitting of the head of the Angelic Ultimate Skills, was able to fully display all the powers he had analyzed and taken in.





From Velzard’s ‘Patience King Gabriel,’ the concept of ‘fixation’ had given him an unrivaled and powerful defensive ability. It was not as powerful as Castle Guard, but it was more useful in that it could be used to attack at the same time. Moreover, the concept of “fixation” had given him the ultimate “time stop” ability. As long as he had this, it was as if he could never be defeated by any entity.





Another example was Velgrynd’s ‘Charity King Raguel’ which boasted the ultimate offensive capabilities.
in the battle against Obera, he had Velzard's powers, but still he didn't use the 'time stop', for me that would be the only coherent explanation, if it is argued that he did not want to use the time stop, then the same could be used to say about speed, both were ways to neutralize every enemy to perfection.
 
Sauce? I shall verify. Although I don't really care much for author statements but still interesting.
Well, I found the statement this time interesting because it makes me confident about the ending, he says several times that he recognizes the mistakes of the webnovel and that he didn't think much while writing the webnovel, this is really good because it gives the feeling that he is being more careful with the story this time
 
I don't think so because he referenced trading it recently when they had their other fights irrc
I decided to check it out and Rudra only used Michael when he fought Guy, he says that since the 1st battle against Guy, he can't control Michael
“I mean, the truth is…I couldn’t control ‘Justice King Michael’ with all my might during the first battle. Even now, I can only control it for a few dozen seconds.”

It was a surprising admission, and Guy couldn’t hide his surprise.



“What? You can’t be serious, can you?”


“No, that’s the truth. After all, this power is on loan from Veldanava.”


Rudra shrugged and began to speak.


Guy listened to Rudra’s story, and thought it felt irrelevant, he was convinced of Rudra’s strength.


If it was a part of Veldanava’s power, then it was no wonder that he was capable of defeating him.


However, as he listened to Rudra, he realized that there was a misunderstanding.


“This is a secret, but I’ll tell it to you. What I’ve acquired through my abilities is called ‘Covenant King Uriel,’ which is the crystallization of my beliefs, my vow to unite the world, and the thoughts of my friends who responded to that vow. It is manifested as my ultimate skill.”


While he claimed to have done it on his own, he actually had help from Veldanava. Even so, it was quite amazing, and ‘Covenant King Uriel,’ the embodiment of Rudra’s heart, was of a higher power in the angelic system.


“So, I borrowed the ‘Justice King Michael’ in exchange for it, but this was also troublesome. My ‘Covenant King Uriel’ was simple and easy to use, with the powers to ‘destroy’ and ‘protect.’ But this ‘Justice King Michael’ has the mysterious power of domination.”


He could borrow the skills of those he had placed under his control and dominate the holders of those skills. It was a power fit for a king.

 
Chloe > Rudra

I love Rudra but the strongest hero still beats the first hero. ALTHOUGH if Rudra had Uriel and for some had King of Heroes.....yikes.
Well, reverse fate is still the most powerful hax of verse and Chloe hadn't even acquired the spacetime god yet, no way, Chloe is the only one I think can beat Rimuru these days, that's not counting Ivarage
 
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I don't understand why anyone would like to power scale Tensura would want them to be higher than universal. Currently I think universal is stretch but it could totally happen. Tensura survives better at lower tiers anyway (if you are into crossverse for any reason).

I want better and more intricate hax like Reverse Fate.
Exaggerated AP can create outliers very easily, if Fuse is going to do something crazy involving dimensionality and a lot of AP, I hope it's already in the after story when all of the main story is already finished
 
I was trying to reread volume 13 and it just doesn't work, I think it's the worst volume of the work fired, it's 300 pages summed up to a massacre with resurrection at the end, the volume is loaded by the charisma of the primordials but I still don't like it very much, at least he knew how to make better use of the later volumes and got much better to read
 
I think so because of this scene


in the battle against Obera, he had Velzard's powers, but still he didn't use the 'time stop', for me that would be the only coherent explanation, if it is argued that he did not want to use the time stop, then the same could be used to say about speed, both were ways to neutralize every enemy to perfection.
This is precisely why I said what I said. Show me something that implies he further analyzed Patience King AFTER evolving from his sleep in V18. If not, I don't think there's any compelling reason to believe he wasn't a DLF the entire time.
 
I decided to check it out and Rudra only used Michael when he fought Guy, he says that since the 1st battle against Guy, he can't control Michael

Ah, I see. Also, Rudra is an idiot for taking a skill that he doesn't embody within himself. I would've never dropped Uriel.
 
Well, reverse fate is still the most powerful hash of verse and Chloe hadn't even acquired the spacetime god yet, no way, Chloe is the only one I think can beat Rimuru these days, that's not counting Ivarage
I'm so glad you said that. Because a lot of people don't realize if she can speed blitzes him, which she can, he's kind of ******. What's crazy is that Chloe evolved even further and we still don't have the results of that yet. Combined with what Fuse said and depending on how bad of time Milim gives Rimuru and Velzard to Milim in return; I can see that Fuse is committed to keeping things relatively close and contentious.
 
Fuse: the manuscript was submitted and the information have been analysed,yay I might end it in apparently 5 to 6 more volumes, which I don't know. there's alot of errors in the web novels which I received from my locals, the one about "veldanava", "The great spirits" and finally "the world of void" I don't know but I kinda didn't focus in all those things during the writing and scripting of the novels for some reason and due to my belief in power and in experience rimuru being the strongest totally went out of sight,ha. it was kinda the wrong expression, I'm not planning to make rimuru to be as strong as the rimuru in the web novels, but I want to still find a way to do so,I can't think of anything rimuru in the web novel series can't have that the light novel piece would, maybe I'll conduct that soon, but verily verily, I am not planning to make rimuru the "strongest" since I also believe in supremacy,so that's where the role of "veldanava" kicks in. ah maybe you'll hear more from my future blogs be patient and thank you for your ease in this covid19 era

Well Probably since I don't know about the source
Does anyone already know if this supposed Twitch is real?
 
Exaggerated AP can create outliers very easily, if Fuse is going to do something crazy involving dimensionality and a lot of AP, I hope it's already in the after story when all of the main story is already finished
With world-building being one of Tensura's main aspects and honestly some of its best stuff from a writing standpoint. I don't really want to galaxy level with going somewhere or doing something that warrants that...plot wise.
 
in Michael's case, either he blindly trusted the castle guard thinking nothing would hit him, or he didn't know how to handle the new (less likely) power, or he just didn't use his immeasurable speed.

Honestly, I don't think he was a DLF in that part of the story, not so much for what it's said, but for the moment in the story it's told, because between Oberá's battle and Rimuru's fight against Michael there was a small gap that could have been the moment he became a DLF, and it would even make sense to reveal at this exact moment since Michael was fighting a really powerful enemy, unlike Oberá's army.
 
This is precisely why I said what I said. Show me something that implies he further analyzed Patience King AFTER evolving from his sleep in V18. If not, I don't think there's any compelling reason to believe he wasn't a DLF the entire time.
true, actually I really thought I had a statement like that but I was wrong, maybe DLF has some undisclosed limitation or that scene with Obera was an outlier
 
I'm so glad you said that. Because a lot of people don't realize if she can speed blitzes him, which she can, he's kind of ******. What's crazy is that Chloe evolved even further and we still don't have the results of that yet. Combined with what Fuse said and depending on how bad of time Milim gives Rimuru and Velzard to Milim in return; I can see that Fuse is committed to keeping things relatively close and contentious.
I feel like Fuse really did something good with the LN power system, I find it much more satisfying
 
Does anyone already know if this supposed Twitch is real?
I tried looking but couldn't find the source and Fuse doesn't seem to have twitter, but the way of writing seems typical of him and the user I got was always reliable
 
in Michael's case, either he blindly trusted the castle guard thinking nothing would hit him, or he didn't know how to handle the new (less likely) power, or he just didn't use his immeasurable speed.

Honestly, I don't think he was a DLF in that part of the story, not so much for what it's said, but for the moment in the story it's told, because between Oberá's battle and Rimuru's fight against Michael there was a small gap that could have been the moment he became a DLF, and it would even make sense to reveal at this exact moment since Michael was fighting a really powerful enemy, unlike Oberá's army.
yes, he was very confident with the castle guard, and he also realized that he had no knowledge about his own power (Michael is shown to be incredibly naive when it comes to battle, not knowing how to use any of their own powers), but still, him not activating the SW while Obera was trying to escape was something that wouldn't make sense if he had at that moment
 
yes, he was very confident with the castle guard, and he also realized that he had no knowledge about his own power (Michael is shown to be incredibly naive when it comes to battle, not knowing how to use any of their own powers), but still, him not activating the SW while Obera was trying to escape was something that wouldn't make sense if he had at that moment
that's exactly what i thought, if he had it, it wouldn't make sense for him not to use it, and technically he wouldn't need the SW, since particles alone have immeasurable speed, being able to move in the SW is just a consequence of them ignoring time, I think they use stopped time because in it no defense is applicable even those that in theory are already activated, because as the flow of time itself is stopped it seems that things like resistance, barriers and certain abilities are ignored, as opposed to using pure speed, for even if the person were standing still, their barriers or passive defenses would remain active
 
that's exactly what i thought, if he had it, it wouldn't make sense for him not to use it, and technically he wouldn't need the SW, since particles alone have immeasurable speed, being able to move in the SW is just a consequence of them ignoring time, I think they use stopped time because in it no defense is applicable even those that in theory are already activated, because as the flow of time itself is stopped it seems that things like resistance, barriers and certain abilities are ignored, as opposed to using pure speed, for even if the person were standing still, their barriers or passive defenses would remain active
yes, as Rimuru says, defense concept in SW doesn't exist, since everything stops, so using barriers or anything like that is useless, that's why Guy and Chloe only activate SW when attacking and deactivate it afterwards while fighting, that served to bypass the defense and to test each other.

And the more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that Michael at least didn't have the time stop at that moment, or at least he didn't know how to use it, if he did, he's incredibly dumb, which would be inconsistent, Michael hasn't turned out to be any genius, but he's not an imbecile either
 
yes, as Rimuru says, defense concept in SW doesn't exist, since everything stops, so using barriers or anything like that is useless, that's why Guy and Chloe only activate SW when attacking and deactivate it afterwards while fighting, that served to bypass the defense and to test each other.

And the more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that Michael at least didn't have the time stop at that moment, or at least he didn't know how to use it, if he did, he's incredibly dumb, which would be inconsistent, Michael hasn't turned out to be any genius, but he's not an imbecile either
Well that just Guy at that time, Chloe just reacted and parried but its implied she can do so too. At least there's no reason she can't.
 
OK I was just rereading V8....I need get started on full reread actually (lucky #4).

But anyway. Its kind of odd to think about the whole royal bloodline of Sarion Dynasty.

First we have Elaude, he is Eren/Elwyne's father. But he's also the son of Elise Griwmald who is the heas of 13 dynasties AND Elmesia's grandmother.

Which means Elaude is Elmesia's uncle. Despite this she is ancient to him, as she's lived much longer.

But Elise had another son, Elaude's brother Sarion aka Laplace. He "died" before the creation of the kingdom. This ancient history even Elmesia, who's only ever known her identical mama.

Speaking of which, Slivia (the goat of family, Sarion cool too) she's obviously Sarion's wife, Elmesia's mother, and Elaude's sister in-law. But as we know, she is a True Elf ala a high elf created by the Divine Ancestor, Twilight Valentine.

This means that Slivia is the oldest elf which means Elmesia's mother is older than her Dad, her Uncle, and her grandmother Elise.

Easily the most confusing yet interesting bloodline we have. I'm sure Rudra's is a pretty headache inducing too but more straightforward.

Laplace getting on with his ancestor, so old she his grandmother thousands of times over.
 
OK I was just rereading V8....I need get started on full reread actually (lucky #4).

But anyway. Its kind of odd to think about the whole royal bloodline of Sarion Dynasty.

First we have Elaude, he is Eren/Elwyne's father. But he's also the son of Elise Griwmald who is the heas of 13 dynasties AND Elmesia's grandmother.

Which means Elaude is Elmesia's uncle. Despite this she is ancient to him, as she's lived much longer.

But Elise had another son, Elaude's brother Sarion aka Laplace. He "died" before the creation of the kingdom. This ancient history even Elmesia, who's only ever known her identical mama.

Speaking of which, Slivia (the goat of family, Sarion cool too) she's obviously Sarion's wife, Elmesia's mother, and Elaude's sister in-law. But as we know, she is a True Elf ala a high elf created by the Divine Ancestor, Twilight Valentine.

This means that Slivia is the oldest elf which means Elmesia's mother is older than her Dad, her Uncle, and her grandmother Elise.

Easily the most confusing yet interesting bloodline we have. I'm sure Rudra's is a pretty headache inducing too but more straightforward.

Laplace getting on with his ancestor, so old she his grandmother thousands of times over.
it is really messy
 
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