Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I hope they won't try to make a Netflix Adaptation

looks like crunchyroll is best place to watch it

 

[Tempestdragon6]

Imaginary blade is really op

 

[JV_DLS]

Imaginary blade is really op

I was a little disappointed with this scam when he was stopped by the castle guard, what exactly does he do?

 

[Peak]

well remembered, i would like to know if primal magic will be added to LN? As I recall primitive magic is the user's will that triggers a specific phenomenon, working even in SW

the issue is that Rimuru WN doesn't resist SW from LN, and LN doesn't have primal magic yet

 

[Peak]

I don't think Rimuru LN could handle Rimuru WN's Immortality 9 and Acas 4, apart from the energy issue because if it turns into a battle of resistance, Rimuru WN has a mana reactor and the Morbius System as "unlimited" energy generators, besides that Rimuru WN has more resistances because of the Akash Recorder

Rimuru WN doesn't have type 9 immortality but type 8, causality 4 wouldn't help that much in this case, Rimuru doesn't use causality and fate manipulation on the character, and well it doesn't look like it would be a battle of resistence here

 

[Peak]

I would agree if Carrea didn't have better feats and statements besides that their experiences aren't too dissimilar. If anything Carrea has Kondo's help so I'd still lean towards Carrea regardless. Testarossa is like Diablo, albeit less so, a lot of hype but not an equal amount of evidence to support it.

She had very few opportunities after being awakened, she limited herself to fighting Vega so as not to destroy Ingracia and had no chance to fight Velgrynd (although that would be a stomp even with her awake).

 

[Peak]

She's stronger than Guy, that's blatantly said. Over twice as strong actually BUT I'm talking about combat proficiency.

Nah, I disagree, Guy managed to take his first fight against her to something that could be decided depending on stamina, this when Guy hadn't been nominated by Rudra and was fighting with a unique skill, besides getting an ultimate skill and depleting Rudra's energy after being named, afterwards he often fought Rudra and stole his techniques, and in his fight against Velzard in El Dorado he was suppressing Velzard while trying to maintain barriers and holding back so as not to destroy Leon's nation, for me Guy is scalable above Velzard for now, and well above as Velzard hasn't shown evolution since his first fight against Guy

 

[Peak]

I forgot about Imaginary Blade, not sure if that'd actually work but he doesn't need it since Azaoth can seamlessly consume entire areas of reality.

Tensura characters tend to have some sort of absorption resistance, requiring Rimuru to 'let their guard down from the enemy' in order to absorb, Of course, this should only apply to the Tensura god tiers, as Leon was absorbed without any problems, however, imaginary blade seems to negate any resistance, despite the castle guard overcoming, but we're talking about the best defense of verse so it's understandable

 

[Peak]

Anyway, Rimuru LN change reality for his imaginary space and isolate from abroad like he did with Michael, uses any technique of Azathoth and gg

 

[Peak]

I was a little disappointed with this scam when he was stopped by the castle guard, what exactly does he do?

It's an absorption technique, Rimuru puts turn null on the sword and so he can devour everything he touches, including the soul, only the castle guard didn't work because it's special, but Velzard's defenses that Michael used for example were negated completely with Rimuru simply eating the barrier, we can deduce that Ciel learned to bypass barriers after fighting Feldway or simply the castle guard cannot be devoured or affected by anything other than higher energy like Rudra did against Feldway

 

[Diablo_]

Nah, I disagree, Guy managed to take his first fight against her to something that could be decided depending on stamina, this when Guy hadn't been nominated by Rudra and was fighting with a unique skill, besides getting an ultimate skill and depleting Rudra's energy after being named, afterwards he often fought Rudra and stole his techniques, and in his fight against Velzard in El Dorado he was suppressing Velzard while trying to maintain barriers and holding back so as not to destroy Leon's nation, for me Guy is scalable above Velzard for now, and well above as Velzard hasn't shown evolution since his first fight against Guy

I thought the same but .....that was most likely child version of Velzard .

 

[JV_DLS]

Rimuru WN doesn't have type 9 immortality but type 8, causality 4 wouldn't help that much in this case, Rimuru doesn't use causality and fate manipulation on the character, and well it doesn't look like it would be a battle of resistence here

yes he has Immortality 9 on his WN profile

but as you said I don't think it would resist a 4D time stop, just a question what exactly makes the LN time stop 4D?

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

he stares into your soul and kills you

 

[Peak]

I thought the same but .....that was most likely child version of Velzard .

nor was it, Guy says that Velzard has always fought in her adult form, and not only that, there's a snippet where Velzard states that she will change to her child form to let more aura leak out, that is, if she had to change then logically she was in adult form

Edit:looks like she fought in dragon form but Rimuru once said that this is the most powerful form true dragons have because of their big size and stuff like that

The temperature in the surrounding area dropped to an extreme level due to the demonic energy leaking from the Velzard. From then on, the castle had become too frigid for the weak to invade.




Living in the castle, Velzard’s dragon form was inconvenient.


When Guy pointed this out, Velzard easily transformed into human form.


In her adult form, Velzard had complete control over her youki, but instead, she chose to maintain a slightly younger form.


In this way, the youki that leaked out would become cold air, and the castle’s defense would be perfect.


Although, there was no one who would attack the castle in the extreme cold, where not even monsters could easily survive…

 

[Peak]

yes he has Immortality 9 on his WN profile

but as you said I don't think it would resist a 4D time stop, just a question what exactly makes the LN time stop 4D?

Ohh it's true, now that I've seen Rimuru have type 9 immortality


In LN only beings that transcend time and space (digital lifeform) could move in it, even high level spiritual beings like Velgrynd at most were only able to recognize

 

[JV_DLS]

Ohh it's true, now that I've seen Rimuru have type 9 immortality


In LN only beings that transcend time and space (digital lifeform) could move in it, even high level spiritual beings like Velgrynd at most were only able to recognize

Although technically information particles can go anywhere in spacetime, I wonder if this could be used to reach Rimuru's real body in imaginary space? or is it not attainable because it is beyond the plane in which it resides?

 

[Peak]

Although technically information particles can go anywhere in spacetime, I wonder if this could be used to reach Rimuru's real body in imaginary space? or is it not attainable because it is beyond the plane in which it resides?

I wonder... I mean, I really don't know how to answer your question, because Rimuru has immortality 9 because of parallel existence I believe, and Michael was also using parallel existence and even so it was denied for some reason with Ciel putting the imaginary space in the real world reality, it didn't look like it was something that reached Feldway and rather that he just killed him, so maybe Ciel LN knows how to handle it

 

[JV_DLS]

Now that I think about it, is a Rimuru WN vs Rimuru LN battle possible with the timeline versions?

because it was said that time itself resets itself every time Chloe used her ability, does it not mean that that world's time is reset and residual time, in which case the time when Rimuru is killed and the war takes place is kind of played aside thus creating an alternate timeline? this would explain why Rimuru would have thought of alternate timelines and discarded the idea right away as time and the universe were still the same and the time Chloe came from was transformed into another parallel universe, which Rimuru would have no perception of.

it's possible? or is that not how it works?

 

[Peak]

Now that I think about it, is a Rimuru WN vs Rimuru LN battle possible with the timeline versions?

because it was said that time itself resets itself every time Chloe used her ability, does it not mean that that world's time is reset and residual time, in which case the time when Rimuru is killed and the war takes place is kind of played aside thus creating an alternate timeline? this would explain why Rimuru would have thought of alternate timelines and discarded the idea right away as time and the universe were still the same and the time Chloe came from was transformed into another parallel universe, which Rimuru would have no perception of.

it's possible? or is that not how it works?

that's not how it works, if not, there could have been two Chloes and two Hinata, since theoretically it wasn't the same Chloe but an alternate line, Chloe and Hinata discussed this as I recall, and the battle of Rimuru who died would be the seed demon lord version, as he doesn't have evolves into true demon lord in the dying timelines

 

[Diablo_]

that's not how it works, if not, there could have been two Chloes and two Hinata, since theoretically it wasn't the same Chloe but an alternate line, Chloe and Hinata discussed this as I recall, and the battle of Rimuru who died would be the seed demon lord version, as he doesn't have evolves into true demon lord in the dying timelines

Time stop is automatically 4-D by default unless stated otherwise . 4-D time stop and 3-D time stop functions in the same way .There's no difference between them .There's a thread about this -4-D time stop

 

[Diablo_]

✴A 4-D hax is something that affects Time .

✴So time stop is automatically 4-D hax because you can't stop time without affecting time .3-D or lower time stops doesn't exists

✴Time stop caps at 4-D .5-D or higher level of time stops means higher range .Even a 3-D being with Time stop resistance can resist 5-D or higher level of Time stop .

 

[Catpija]

Why would affecting time makes it 4D

 

[Peak]

Time stop is automatically 4-D by default unless stated otherwise . 4-D time stop and 3-D time stop functions in the same way .There's no difference between them .There's a thread about this -4-D time stop

I know that time stop is 4D by default, when I say 4D, I mean in terms of resistance to time stop, there are several beings in fiction that resist time stop and remain 3D, but in the case of the suspended world, if you don't have 4D resistance you can't move, otherwise anyone who resisted the time stop would automatically become 4D

That's how I learned it, but maybe I'm wrong?

 

[Peak]

I don't know, I can quote Goku who resists the time stop but is still 3D, a 3D being couldn't move in the suspended world if he doesn't become a 4D being, that's what I mean

 

[Peak]

✴A 4-D hax is something that affects Time .

✴So time stop is automatically 4-D hax because you can't stop time without affecting time .3-D or lower time stops doesn't exists

✴Time stop caps at 4-D .5-D or higher level of time stops means higher range .Even a 3-D being with Time stop resistance can resist 5-D or higher level of Time stop .

This is strange, how could a 3D being resist a 5D time stop if its existence is still 3D? Honestly, is there any thread about the time stop? now i'm confused

 

[LoganKroos]

Rimuru LN has 4D time stop, imaginary Blade, World of a Thousand Blooming Changes and possibly acausality denial 3 if Michael really died

anyone who has parallel existence denial can cancel type 3 acca, Michael lives in the real Fedway body that goes far beyond a simple type 3 acca

 

[Community_Gamer]

She had very few opportunities after being awakened, she limited herself to fighting Vega so as not to destroy Ingracia and had no chance to fight Velgrynd (although that would be a stomp even with her awake).

Yeah I know the excuses that doesn't really change my position. Anyways I don't really have a reason to prove anything here since I'm not trying to start that conversation.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Nah, I disagree, Guy managed to take his first fight against her to something that could be decided depending on stamina, this when Guy hadn't been nominated by Rudra and was fighting with a unique skill, besides getting an ultimate skill and depleting Rudra's energy after being named, afterwards he often fought Rudra and stole his techniques, and in his fight against Velzard in El Dorado he was suppressing Velzard while trying to maintain barriers and holding back so as not to destroy Leon's nation, for me Guy is scalable above Velzard for now, and well above as Velzard hasn't shown evolution since his first fight against Guy

Firstly, Velzard was testing Guy when they first fought and didn't go all out. She says so herself. As for V18 we don't have much to go on there. Also if you want to bring up Guy multitasking, so was Velzard with blizzard and distorting space.

Regardless I think Guy is a better fighter but I don't he's stronger in fact that's what said by the narrative. He's able to keep because of his combat experience and probably techniques (although we've never really seen them).

So Guy would more than likely beat Velzard but I don't think he's statistically stronger.

 

[Community_Gamer]

I thought the same but .....that was most likely child version of Velzard .

Unlikely besides the younger version is just Velzard when she's letting her aura leak really than perfectly controlling. It's not really significant difference in strength. At least that hasn't been shown.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Why would affecting time makes it 4D

It doesn't inherently. But since SW stops all phenomenal through all of space and time that would imply other universes as well. If I were to argue for 4-D that's the angle I'd take.

But personally I don't care about those things. Although I've always considered SW to multiversal in range.

 

[Peak]

anyone who has parallel existence denial can cancel type 3 acca, Michael lives in the real Fedway body that goes far beyond a simple type 3 acca

that's if michael is alive

 

[Peak]

Firstly, Velzard was testing Guy when they first fought and didn't go all out. She says so herself. As for V18 we don't have much to go on there. Also if you want to bring up Guy multitasking, so was Velzard with blizzard and distorting space.

Regardless I think Guy is a better fighter but I don't he's stronger in fact that's what said by the narrative. He's able to keep because of his combat experience and probably techniques (although we've never really seen them).

So Guy would more than likely beat Velzard but I don't think he's statistically stronger.

Even though it was stated that she was testing, we don't know how much she was holding back, it's possible that she just wasn't going to kill, and yet the disadvantages that Guy carried were huge and he knew how to deal well

About the blizzard and distorted space from Velzard, this is something she could do by releasing the aura, it's not something that was really treated as something difficult for her, but anyway, Guy probably won't have many feats, Fuse doesn't usually go deeper into his battles and techniques for some reason, while Velzard will likely get more prominence in the next volume

 

[Peak]

Unlikely besides the younger version is just Velzard when she's letting her aura leak really than perfectly controlling. It's not really significant difference in strength. At least that hasn't been shown.

I believe there is some difference beyond the control of the aura, as it felt like this was said implicitly, like Guy saying that she only fought in adult form against him because she didn't need to do the same against other opponents, whereas Guy was a special case

 

[Community_Gamer]

Even though it was stated that she was testing, we don't know how much she was holding back, it's possible that she just wasn't going to kill, and yet the disadvantages that Guy carried were huge and he knew how to deal well

About the blizzard and distorted space from Velzard, this is something she could do by releasing the aura, it's not something that was really treated as something difficult for her, but anyway, Guy probably won't have many feats, Fuse doesn't usually go deeper into his battles and techniques for some reason, while Velzard will likely get more prominence in the next volume

Yeah the point of what I was saying is that Guy is someone who can fight people who are stronger than him. It is quite blatantly said.

 

[Community_Gamer]

I believe there is some difference beyond the control of the aura, as it felt like this was said implicitly, like Guy saying that she only fought in adult form against him because she didn't need to do the same against other opponents, whereas Guy was a special case

Not necessarily, he could also simply recalling events. She literally has only fought him in her adult form. Besides even if its intentional that doesn't mean that the difference is anything more than what has been shown and what I said. After all they are close to each other in overall specs,, so even minor changes can make a difference.

 

[LoganKroos]

Yeah the point of what I was saying is that Guy is someone who can fight people who are stronger than him. It is quite blatantly said.

Guy, Rudra and Rimuru are anomalies, you can't apply logic with them, Rudra to say, he had just been reincarnated, he was in masayuki's weak body, in the middle of a totally unfavorable battlefield, without weapons, strategy or spells prepared for that occasion, and only with improvisation he managed to turn the situation completely in his favor, summon and command everyone in the room, protect the civilians in addition to smashing Fedway No Diff which is possibly the 3 or 4 strongest in the work so far. the moment, the guy is too sinister, i'm almost sure that in his heyday he's stronger than rimuru volume 19

 

[Diablo_]

This is strange, how could a 3D being resist a 5D time stop if its existence is still 3D? Honestly, is there any thread about the time stop? now i'm confused

In the same way how a 3-D being can resist 4-D time stop .The important thing to notice here is that time stop caps at 4-D .So even if someone were to stop time at a 5-D scale it will only be a feat of range unless it is described to be some sort of superior time stop or anything .

I don't think you need to 4-D to resist SW. It's just that no one has standard time stop resistance in Tensura now(Well if you must become DLF to move in SW theory is true ) .So they have to become DLF to overcome the weakness .

 

[Diablo_]

Why would affecting time makes it 4D

Made a mistake there .SW is 4-D because it stops time throughout the Universe (Spacetime continuum ) .

 

[Peak]

Yeah the point of what I was saying is that Guy is someone who can fight people who are stronger than him. It is quite blatantly said.

ah yes, now I understand what you mean, I agree because even though Guy is a special primordial, Velzard is still part of the physiologically most powerful race of Tensura, so it wouldn't surprise me if you were right

 

[Peak]

Guy, Rudra and Rimuru are anomalies, you can't apply logic with them, Rudra to say, he had just been reincarnated, he was in masayuki's weak body, in the middle of a totally unfavorable battlefield, without weapons, strategy or spells prepared for that occasion, and only with improvisation he managed to turn the situation completely in his favor, summon and command everyone in the room, protect the civilians in addition to smashing Fedway No Diff which is possibly the 3 or 4 strongest in the work so far. the moment, the guy is too sinister, i'm almost sure that in his heyday he's stronger than rimuru volume 19

Nah, I think only Chloe, Feldway and Ivarage could pose a threat to Rimuru with the skill of the angelic system