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Teen Titans (cartoon) speed upgrade
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Direct scaling of flight speed to travel speed. Exactly what we needed.
Link to Feat 2 of Starfire isn’t working properly though.
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Tbf that might be legit, due to how relativity works. You can cross a bigger distance than you normally would be able to at a certain speed due to relativity iirc.
Downgrade Flash
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This one’s also broken. Mav gave another one though and considering Beast Boy started jumping when the light beam almost hit and seemed to move further than the lightbeam right after that moment this might even be an FTL feat which completely nukes the notion of Titans being slower than light.
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Yeah that’s no aim-dodging.
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In the first two links for Robin, is there proof that the attacks are lightspeed? Were they stated to be light or lightspeed like with the Dr. Light example?
As for Cyborg, I never commented on his travel speed. Him running past Starfire doesn't necessarily prove Movement Speed=Combat Speed.
As for Starfire, again, I never commented on her travel speed.
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You can aim dodge and still be close to getting hit. Just because the light was near BB when he moved doesn't mean Dr. Light shot it before BB turned into a bat.
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You’re grasping straws my dude. How can you aim dodge a laster that was already fired?
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No, but power scaling exists and these aren’t anti-feats.
Why would you be able to run faster than you can react? Imagine lazily shifting to the left and crashing into a wall.
Cyborg running > Starfire's flight speed, which is MFTL+.
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I never said they were anti-feats, I'm just asking for evidence that makes what you posted relevant. If you can find evidence, then more power to you.
I never said that. I only commented on combat speed which is different from reaction speed.
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We're going in circles. Prove the light was fired before BB moved or drop the example.
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You said "Him running past Starfire doesn't necessarily prove Movement Speed=Combat Speed."
Are you blind? The laser was right in front of his face, if he wasn’t any kind of light speed, then he would've gotten hit.
I have more examples for light speed while you have that one anti feat that could be an inconsistency since it's only one example.
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Yeah, I still agree with light-speed/FTL Teen Titans.
Also, when I would watch the show, I never thought there was that much an emphasis on powerscaling as much as there was on the skills/powers of a character being the best match for an opponent. This is why Raven can get clapped by someone in spite or being stronger than the others, but Starfire defeats a villain, or vice versa. Not sure if that's helpful, but I thought it was worth noting.
Also, when I would watch the show, I never thought there was that much an emphasis on powerscaling as much as there was on the skills/powers of a character being the best match for an opponent. This is why Raven can get clapped by someone in spite or being stronger than the others, but Starfire defeats a villain, or vice versa. Not sure if that's helpful, but I thought it was worth noting.
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Yeah there are random moments in the show where it’s shown one Titan > all the others. It happens with like, all of them.
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I also want to reiterate a point here:
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Links broken.
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Oh Red X pretty much blitzed (with a punch) Cyborg's reactions at one point. Guess twice who Red X's alter ego is. There's also the thing that if Cyborg's reactions were way above everyone else's combat speed then nobody would be able to hit him and well we usually assume combat speed to scale to reactions anyways if it ain't contradicted (I mean this ain't JoJo).
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Starfire keeping up with her clone Trigon made in speedy aerial battles & being able to react to and hit Blackfire should help prove the speeds can scale to reactions and/or combat speeds.
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There's also the thing that since the titans traveled from planet to planet they would also have to have manoevered through asteroid belts which would require reactions comparable to the ship's travel speed. + When Robin entered that thing's mouth he didn't crash into anything (and did acrobatics with the ship to get out) and if you say they were going slower than their average speed upon entering (which has no basis) then you have to increase the speed of the ship for the rest of the trip (+them landing on planets) and this for every obstacle they run into.
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Still broken
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What the ****? How?
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The OG message says there's no webpage for the given web address. You quoting me only has whitespace under it.
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I saw the entire show long ago, but I do not remember much.
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Well if you are interested it is episode 20 “Transformation”. I’m pretty sure we debunked pretty much all of his points (DDM also did not reply anymore for quite a lot of messages). It basically comes down to the plot of the episode not working if reactions don’t scale to flight speed, that if we account for reactions being much slower than flight speed like fighter jet example but much more extreme then they’d be relativistic+ in that episode (Probably more since my calc was lowballed) and that there are several times where Starfire’s flight speed scales to her other speed stats such as when fighting her sister and her clone and Cyborg even outsped Starfire’s flight speed at one point by running.
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I mean it looked a little weird but it was in the middle of a fight so don’t see why it wouldn’t count. Also the Titans react to each other’s clones as well so the Titans being comparable to Starfire(’s flight speed) is a consistent thing.
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Starfire telling Robin the secret to move faster than light sounds to me like it could be interpreted as characters like her being able to turn on & off the ability to do so, hence she and Robin don't normally move that fast at all despite being comparable and despite Starfire having just basically stated to be able to move that fast. Should this be the case then her ability to react to things while moving that fast is not a contradiction.
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Hmm it depends on if BB’s dodging of those light beams is calced at FTL or not and what exactly Firestar told Robin. But it does make some sense.
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That is most definitely an outlier, this guys and all the characters in the show who can keep up with them, meaning pretty much everyone, aren't above MHS+. Starfire and Robin entered a room, Star said that and then something else happened, it's both legit info she has and something meant to be funny. And of course she could be meaning as in only ships doing so but the context of it and the show puts it on a general sense.
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I mean why though? In Ben 10 everyone is FTL and you could probably extend this to basically every random alien in the verse. That doesn’t mean suddenly all feats become invalid.
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Interesting take. Not remotely the point though. I’m asking why we should randomly assume everyone caps at MHS+ without you providing any anti-feats for the characters scaling to the Titans since we don’t do that for any other verse on the site.
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The show's full of anti-feats that people have already pointed out before like Kid Flash moving at lightspeed blitzing everyone, Dr. Light portraying an attack at the speed of light as a super fast attack and hence not as fast as himself even tho he can keep up with the Titans, the environment being sometimes a factor to look over, not superhumans keeping up with superhumans, etc.
Ideally, there should be a blog with everything calc'd, its context explained and the anti-feats listed, but this help is pretty much as much as I can give to the verse given how I don't have it as a priority.
Starfire and Blackstar should have their normal speed as "normally" and next to it them being "Massivily FTL+ Reactions, Travel & Flight Speed when travelling faster than light", starting with what Star said to Robin and what I said above about this, then all their feats.
Ideally, there should be a blog with everything calc'd, its context explained and the anti-feats listed, but this help is pretty much as much as I can give to the verse given how I don't have it as a priority.
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