Stop denying context. They are caught by suprise because they cornered them and didn't expect them to use Spinjitzu
Dude what?
They are built faster than Zane, they would've just dodged it if they were fast enough. Heck Cryptor can react to him without looking
No?
The fact he hits them doesn't disprove the fact he see them as slow
Yes and they might be able to act as multiple ninjas even without the Spinjitzu without it but we never get a point of reference for.
If by comparable you mean "got absolutely demolished" then sure.
Literally bigger than their entire body while their normal attacks are usually the size of like, a sword lmao.
Yeah. Except instead of being focused on 1-2 targets it's completely surrounding the..
No.
Hmm could it be this random vague hyperbole doesn't meant Spinjitzu is a 100x speed amp? No, they must ne aim dodging already moving projectiles several times beyond got perception speed?
I genuinely don't understand what do you not get about it. This is such a common figure of speech for saying someone strong
Bro nobody is denying the context. It's just that the context doesn't change anything. The panel literally verbatim on screen word for word says "CAUGHT BY SURPRISE the skeletons have no time to react". Like they canonically couldn't react because they got caught by surprise, is black on white in the picture.
I'm telling you the scan sucks ass because you can't see what's going on in it.
Again, you're saying something that means completely nothing.
He literally shoots them with green energy balls that they fail to avoid in the same video..................................
First of all, nothing in the scene implies he sees them as slow.
4 Ninjas is referring to Kai, Zane, Jay, and Cole. If you can count, you would notice that apparently there are 4 Ninjas as well! Hmmmm, I wonder what 4 Ninjas statements refers to... definitely not Kai, Zane, Jay, and Cole, nuh uh
They never get absolutely blitzed
Spinjitzu is just an amp aura, its range is Standard Melee LOL
Ok?
Yes
The numbers are pretty explicit
Aim dodging exists for that. You can dodge a bullet via aim-dodging easily.
Again, number are pretty exactI genuinely don't understand what do you not get about it. This is such a common figure of speech for saying someone strong
That snake is on Wu's lvl of speed, who can consistanly react to Spinjitzu in base like here and here
Same snakes get speedblitzed by the Ninjas like here and here
Pythor is the Ninjas level in Speed, hell he ended up speedblitzed Nya here, and Anacondrai in general are fast enough to react to the Master of Speed who is the fastest of all the EMs
Lacks the combat speed to even do anything anyways
Anacondrai are fast enough to react to Turner, same guy was stated to be able to counter the Slow Mo Timeblade which massively slowed the Ninjas Spinjitzu
Same opponent with the element of Time and Time Acceleration Hax?
By an EM on his lvl of speed
95% of your examples are done by people who are faster than the Ninjas or on par with Wu
Show us an example of Skeletons having a combat speed reletive to Spinjitzu users (non-existent)
Again you just keep strawmanning what I say because you can't actually address the argument.
Another strawman, I never said they did.
Again it's visibly bigger than their entire body and completely covers them. We even have see the inside of the Spinjitzu and it's visibly larger than their own body.
Numbers being explicit doesn't mean it's not a hyperbole lmao. I can say "I am million times stronger than you" and the numbers will be even mode explicit but the statement would still be a blatant hyperbole.
So you don't know what aim dodging is then.
Wtf kind of poor argument attempt even is this? 99% of hyperboles have an exact number assigned to it. Numbers being "exact" doesn't make it not a figure of speech
So it's a contradiction because when the snake uses Spinjitzu he doesn't blitz the other Spinjitzu users. By your logic his Spinjitzu should have made him 100x faster than the other 4 ninja
Ironically we literally see one of the snakes turn their head around towards the Spinjitzu as it goes towards him. Proving he can both percieve it and move in relation to it, when a 100x speed amp should make it completely invisible.
Again they're visibly moving as the Spinjitzu comes near them.
That's not speed blitzing that's outpacing since she clearly dodged the first attack.
I don’t care....?
So? That doesn't mean anything by itself.
Yep, I don't see how that's any relevant to him perceiving something that should be 100x faster than him. Unless he scales 100x above-mentioned the ninja where again, he would have perception blitzed them before they even used Spinjitzu to begin with.
Cool, that means Kai should have perception blitzed him if it was a 100x amp and if the EM scales to Spinjitzu Kai he should have perception blitzed Kai before he even activated Spinjitzu.
No, most of the examples are fodder grunts.
1:09 2 skeletons see an incoming Spinjitzu amped Zane and can percieve him and run away
The idea is that there is 4 of them but to the skeletons it seems as if there were 400 of them. Which like you said doesn't imply a multiplier and is usually just a figure of speech.
Yeah like I said, a 100x speed amp should completely statue and perception blitz anyone relative to the base ninja but almost every example in the show clearly shows even the fodders perceiving and reacting to the Spinjitzu in one way or another.
Four Ninjas is stated in the comic and there are 4 Ninjas. If you don’t think there are 4 Ninjas then you’re genuinely blind
Not by whole lot, still Standard Melee Range
Cool, still don’t see how this refutes multiplier
If the person is blatantly massively superior then the statement would be valid
We have a consistency of it being a blitz amp thoWtf kind of poor argument attempt even is this? 99% of hyperboles have an exact number assigned to it. Numbers being "exact" doesn't make it not a figure of speech
I have to mention that those Ninjas were weakened at the time
Appeal to visuals yet again
Why are Snakes with superpowers and strength capable of causing Earthquakes considered average humans?
They could've dodged if they are faster, like Lloyd and Cole does against Doubloon
What the hell is that assumption
We see Samukai being unable to do anything to Spinjitzu Wu, same thing with the S2 Ninjas fighting their pilots self, same thing with the Ninjas against Nindroids later on in the show, same thing with Garmadon speedblitzing Clouse before he does anything, same thing with Kai against Pirates, same thing with Cole against ghost Ninjas who were previously keeping up with his base, same thing with the Ninjas blitzing Vermillions who were also reletive to their base (Lloyd does it again here), same with the Ninjas blantly speedblitzing Vermillions again, same with Lloyd against some SOGs, same with Onis not even reacting to Jay and Kai's Spinjitzu, same with Nya blitzing Merlopians
He litterally scale to someone that can react to his Time Acceleration hax
Most of them are people faster or reletive than the main cast lol. You're examples involving EMs also doesn't work because they all have accelerated developement
This is contradicted by Jay's Spinjitzu
Let staff comment at this point. I don't want to chase them away with multiples pages of debate
That doesn't matter and is completely besides my point.
Not how hyperboles work. Connor McGregor is undeniably faster than me but that doesn't mean me saying "Connor is million times stronger than me" is not a hyperbole and makes him MHS+.
We don't have a consistency of it being a x100 amp nor even a perception blitz amp. We literally have the opposite, a massive amount of counter evidence.
Were they 100x slower than they normally would? Are there any feats supporting such a massive gap?
Wtf kind of made up logical fallacy is this?
They're not? Did you even read what I said?
How? By jumping off the stairs?
Wtf do you mean assumption? Legit none of what I said was an assumption.
Okay first of all, argumentum ad verbosium.
And how is that relevant here? Time acceleration hax don't really mean anything without further context.
If they are relative to the main casts base stats they should get perception blitzed and statued by a x100 speed difference.
Why?
How?
Yeah but the issue is that the argument wouldn't apply to their spinning speed while it's clearly wrong to in regards to movement speed
It is not. It is 100x multiplier.
My bad, I reread the thread. I still don't think that's enough for a multiplier, seeing the wording of the text.
6 or 7. Its better that way than a long ah thread that chase everyone away
Might be, it's common for fast characters to sometimes appear to either have many arms and legs or just seem like many because of their speed (after images), that statement could be that while spinning each ninja seems like many. But this interpretation would require the speed from their spin and the speed of their actual movement while spinning be different things so i'm not sure how would this be applicable in a fight or a profile
Wouldn't the multiplier only apply for combat speed as it is shown many times that the speed increase in combat with Spinjitzu is way higher than that of travel?
In fact, 95% of time when they actually use Spinjitzu fast for combat, they end up speedblitzing the other guy.
The issue with that interpretation is that, while its MUCH more consistent with everyone reacting to the travel speed of the Spinjitzu but not the combat speed inside of it, the statement doesn't say anything about that. It talks about how there "might as well be 400" ninja because of the skeletons getting caught offguard and the ninja swarming them, appearing as if they were everywhere at once.
I'm not sure, I would say something like
So I guess it would be like MFTL combat speed on a 3 meters range of the spin
Actually no. Even if we dismissed these issues
The rating probably be
I will agree that a full on 100x multiplier to spinjitsu that the OP wants has little evidence and a lot of anti feats, I don't really have any other ideia.
what about the light speed lloyd stuff?
The only concern I see is the unreliability of the source. Cole mentioned it could be either energy or light and based on the scans provided, neither possibility can be crossed out based on what I remember from our lightspeed requirements. I think 'possibly light speed' is the best option.
Oh I missed that, I should probably address that as well
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