Karlof using the same powers Chen has couldn't reflect Fire blasts from Kai when he was hit at the same spot
Why would the light need to touch Morro if the Metal surface is the one directly interacting with the light projectile?
Light Projectiles can be built for combat (in fact we got irl laser based weapons who blows on contact)
Would be too long considering the number of things to be updated in the verse
Just want to point out that Ninjago characters evading Light Projectiles isn't uncommon in the verse and happened throught sum part of S2, all of S3 and a part of S4
You'd have to show the exact scene since this is heavily context dependent.
Because the light isn't interacting with the metal surface?
I never said light can't be designed for combat, I said light doesn't behave like a physical object with mass.
Well on the contrary, now ALL of your changes are stuck until the controversial stuff gets sorted out. It's been a week since the thread was opened specifically because we were discussing the multiplier issue and we barely even tackled anything else.
I'm not saying it isn't. Idrc whether it is rn. There are a lot of other, bigger issues that would have verse wide impact here
Yeaah, completely different from Lloyds scene. Lloyd sent a ball which got deflected exactly like a ball would. Kai was shooting a fire beam instead.
No, you're misunderstanding. Somehow....
Yes???? Light being designed for combat doesn't mean it can't be tangible.
Kai also shoot fire which Karlof used his metal hands to stop them and there was no reflection
Because he didn't throw it back? Not doing so doesn't mean he couldn't.
What? What are you talking about? Light shouldn't work as a physical projectile to begin with, by saying it does you're admitting it's not light.
I mean, do I actually have to even say this?
Chen wasn't throwing it back either, he just covered himself in metal.
Energy balls just release energy in contact with people and disappear, harming them, but only with metal it gets reflected
Stop nitpicking for a single word "projectile", bruh.
Reminder ur argument was about Chen having Attack Reflection
By saying the blast got deflected by metal? What the hell is that reply?
Dodging his blast means dodging the light emitted around the ball as well
No???? Brother throwing a ball isn't automatically some attack reflection hax.
What?
Light rays are not connected with the surrounding light rays like a physical object. Meaning since only a portion of the ball interacted with the blade, only that small portion of the ball should be reflected and everything that's not directly touching the blade should keep going in a straight line.
No it doesn't?????????????? Are you trolling me here? Do you also think dodging a turned on flashlight requires you to dodge light itself?
No???? Chen bent backwards and threw it back with his body.
Not reflected but reflected.
That's… not what the word nitpicking means. Stop throwing around pointless buzzwords.
No it doesn't. First of all, that debunks the "beam reflecting off of the metal blade" argument since it could just he his NPI.
Chen having attack reflection is disproved by the fire scenes
"Shaky camera" now "It could just be his NPI" excuse? The sword itself doesn't have NPI, Morro's body does
The blast being reflected on metal surfaces doesn't imply that at all
Me: "I didn't say he has attack reflection hax"
Oh great so the light should have continued in a straight line in the parts where it didn't touch the blade. Since it didn't and acted like a physical ball with mass it's not light.
Yeah bro just let it go at this point. You're not even addressing the arguments I'm making.
Because he said the light stuff should only be "possibly" before my debunks, and said I'm making good points later on making his agreement on it even more shaky.
Fair enough, forgot
Excuse me?
You just nitpicked that Lloyd said “projectile”. He meant beam. Stop ridiculously overcomplicating things and stick to the main point.
Metal Blade is unfortunately not part of Morro’s body.
I’m not sure we’re talking about the same scene right now. Mind sending it? If you’re talking about Morro’s “body”, then he is not a normal human and has NPI, so not a disqualifier.
"Trolling"
Read ur own arguments again. The ability to reflect projectiles normally is attack reflection, so yes, you are talking about it
Ur not proving it has mass using that feat lol
Why is Orange point being ignored?
Start by stopping going circular
Not only that, but when Pythor, a guy with a physical body, is in the same situation as Morro, not only is Lloyd's blast reflected on the metal of his staff, but he clearly affected and pushed back as well, so this is another supporting evidence that the Light not really affecting Morro was due to NPI, and further back up my metal reflection claim. Morever, we see his energy beam refracting on a liquid such as water alongside other sources of light too (u can see it more clearly here), which is another qualifier for Light
Combat based light projectiles can blow up without being tangible whatsoever (Used by irl military such as the US). Same case with Lloyd (His blast has explosion manip too as shown here, here, here and here), so them blowing up on people isn't illogical nor a disqualifier. Morever, light does exert force, I don't see why hitting targets would imply it has mass whatsoever
Meant to say deflected but my autocorrect screwed me over lmao
I'm not? I don't even remember Lloyd calling it a projectile. I'm calling it a projectile because it is one by definition.
Already addressed this. If the blade doesn't have NPI then any part of the ball that wasn't touching the blade directly (which was like 80% of it) should have kept moving forward towards Moro in a straight line. By his blade not having NPI you basically prove the ball isn't light.
Here the blast visibly blows Lloyd away. Which proves it has mass and is tangible which in turn proves it's not light.
Light has momentum even without mass, and can exert physical pressure too. Not really a good argument
Ghosts have intangibility even while holding objects, which extends to their NPI as well since they can interact with other ghosts (Notice how his ghost powers applies to the sword, just like the ghost in the vid I previously sent). This is just wrong
why his blast is yellow, no way bro achieved golden power again
You didn't answer the question and Lloyds hands are not a "realistic source of light such as a camera" lmao.
Yes and he's not reflecting it. He's deflecting a ball of energy by throwing it back.
It blasting Lloyd away on impact either means
It's not?
Oh great more buzzwords. Next time instead of just spamming buzzwords try explaining how I'm "going circular" lmao
Supporting of what? This literally just shows the energy beam blasting his staff out of his hand either proving it has mass or explodes, both being defeaters to it being light.
Pfffff hahaha no way bro that literally shows him shooting wood with his energy beam to push his body. That's LITERALLY evidence it has mass
Energy beams producing light does not mean the entire beam is made out of light.
Light naturally does not explode (lol).
Light exerts force because of its velocity. Meaning for light to output more force than it naturally does, either it would have to have mass or higher velocity. Given the force of light is normally completely impossible to notice, it'd need to have hundreds of trillions of times greater velocity, or have mass.
This is so funny because you guys keep liking each others comments while completely contradicting each other. Like Orange says it doesn't have NPI, Lloydblitzed likes it. You say it does and he likes it as well. Because hey agreeing with everything regardless of whether it contradicts itself as long as it means my verse gets an upscale definitely doesn't show I'm biased and desperate
Did you read why it exerts pressure? If you did you'd know it proves exerting enough pressure to blow away humans proves the beams are distinctly different from natural light
You missed his point and he was clearly not calling Lloyd's hand "a realistic source of light such as a camera"
What the hell?
Pfffff hahaha no way bro that literally shows him shooting wood with his energy beam to push his body. That's LITERALLY evidence it has mass
I don't think "The camera is shaky" guy should be saying this
Light can be illuminating off sources of light such as lasers or even a damn camera. Don't see your point and it doesn't debunk anything
How many times does people have to say its made for combat? Even the US have light based lasers capable of blow things up irl, which can also move at the speed of light
Most irl examples of light applying a small amount of force are done by objects far smaller than Lloyd's blast
Why tf are we assuming his blasts are "octillions times the speed of light" when the OP is clearly not suggesting that
-Makes assumptions and act as if he knows more about Ninjago than Knowledgable members, niceBecause hey agreeing with everything regardless of whether it contradicts itself as long as it means my verse gets an upscale definitely doesn't show I'm biased and desperate
Did we read the same page? Large enough amount of light pressure can make even asteroids spin faster (Not saying Lloyd can move asteroids with blasts, but acting like light pressure can't affect far heavier objects than humans is stupid).
Goddess Magic was accepted as lightspeed over a similar feat. The light being deflected by metal doesn't debunk it
Aw man, Lloyd shoots the bird who captured his Dad with his elemental power, wait i'm gonna try to make it an imgur
The blast just blows up on him like what happen on most of his targets, doesn't really answer my question nor answer my points, which I think I should be more precise
oh then i misunderstood the exact thing nvm then
Then what was the point? Because that genuinely seems so out of place.
He said to dodge Lloyds energy you also have to dodge the light it makes.
Yes, an area of 640000 meters² can generate 5 newtons (0.5kg) of force using high tech solar sails. In other words my clothes apply more pressure on me than light pressure does on 800x800 meter large spacecraft.
Except the camera being so shaky you literally don't see what's happening on the screen is a valid argument at it makes the evidence unreliable.
Because you don't even know what I'm addressing and instead just gooning to get an upgrade through.
Which is blatantly wrong. As you have said yourself, many things can emit light.
0 because it doesn't change anything.
Okay first of all, Cole says "some kind of green light" not "some kind of military laser".
Yeah most irl examples like the 20 million $ solar sail designed to use the force of light can output whopping 0.5kg of force in an 800x800 area.
Once again you have not actually read what I said, cherry picked a part, and disagreed with it. I already explained this above I just wanted to point out how silly this is
I don’t know almost anything about Ninjago because I only watched like 2 seasons of it when I was like 10.
Fun fact: Asteroids are actually being hit by light 24/7 with no breaks for literally all of their existence, meaning the amount of light pressure can add up for literal millenia.
Again you're not understanding me. I'm not saying the energy beam being deflected debunks it being light (assuming the character who did do has NPI). I'm saying it debunks the feat being supportive evidence.
Why would I have to?
No idea where u got those sources, waiting for them. And also note that Solar Sails feats by light irl are done in far longer times than Lloyd's beams
Im getting tired of these excuse when u can clearly see that the enemies has 0 time to react
Explain how Lloyd blast creates additional light
Dodging the light rays from a source of light is technically a speed feat
Im using the military laser as an example of light being used when weaponized
Congrats for realising light can emit heat and blows thing up
Lloyd can normally set wood on fire
Source?
I don't see staff make up "the camera is shaky" and "it makes no sense, he'll be octillions faster than light" in a verse where light speed is a thing since the pilots era.
Ok
The Goddess Beams were deflected by metal just like Lloyd's blast was against Chen. They also blew up, and that wasn't considered an anti feat whatsoever. Naruto's Photon Gun dodging feat also includes the laser causing an explosion, yet was accepted
Because being stated to be possibly made of light, getting reflected on metal objects, being refracted on water, being refracted on glass, traveling on straight lines > one possible disqualifier (Explosion argument doesn't count) and should grant a possibly rating at leastWhy would I have to?
But since we're already making requests, why don't you show me statement saying the attack is light that doesn't end with "I dunno"
He does, but if the light speed thing pass, it just opens more possibilities for calcs. We already have Light Based lasers accepted for the verse too
