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I wouldn't be surprised if a "complete" overhaul took like a year, he has a lot of shit, may not be much in terms of quality but quantity-wise it's kind of a lot.Surprised no ones has updated BOTW Link yet. I remember there being a lot of talk about revising him when the game first came out.
? There's not a single time the sages get stomped by a Phantom Ganon, the only person that stomps them is full power Ganondorf himself. Tier 5 is scaling above his weakened state which is moon level (Since they're combined power was too much for him at that point) and then potentially 5-A via heavily downscaling from his full power state since they can slightly damage him and regaining consciousness not too long after he knocks them out.Haven’t beaten the game but what have they done to warrant Tier 5? The Sages got stomped by Phantom Ganons.
What do you mean BOTW verse? Why do you keep treating BOTW/TOTK as it's own universe? Outside of saying they have major retcons or lore inconsistencies (Which have been happening since ocarina of time, a game that unironically retcons more with ALTTP than the new games do with previous with only guides over a decade later somewhat making more sense of it) you haven't really given convincing reasons for why.Yeah that’s a pretty huge hyperbole since Hyrule Warriors Zelda probably solos the BotW verse
Technically it was the avatars, but they could barely keep up against the Phantom Ganons when they had the 5 1v1s rule when Link fought them. A Stick can “slightly damage” anything in the verse so? There's not a single time the sages get stomped by a Phantom Ganon, the only person that stomps them is full power Ganondorf himself. Tier 5 is scaling above his weakened state which is moon level (Since they're combined power was too much for him at that point) and then potentially 5-A via heavily downscaling from his full power state since they can slightly damage him and regaining consciousness not too long after he knocks them out.
LttP happens later in the timeline. The BotW games retcon literally most of the verse. Also they never actually said it’s canon.What do you mean BOTW verse? Why do you keep treating BOTW/TOTK as it's own universe? Outside of saying they have major retcons or lore inconsistencies (Which have been happening since ocarina of time, a game that unironically retcons more with ALTTP than the new games do with previous with only guides over a decade later somewhat making more sense of it) you haven't really given convincing reasons for why.
Technically what was the avatars (Not that it makes a difference)? The real sages showing up is what prompts Ganon to just go back to sitting on his weird gloom tree to gain power, the avatars just help fight the phantoms beforehandTechnically it was the avatars
There's nothing saying or even implies that they were barely keeping up with them, all we know is that Ganon makes some clones, the sages show up to make it a 5v5, then Ganondorf decides he's gonna use his full power and fights Link 1v1but they could barely keep up against the Phantom Ganons when they had the 5 1v1s rule when Link fought them.
A stick doesn't have actual narrative behind it likes the Sages doA Stick can “slightly damage” anything in the verse so
LTTP happening later in the timeline means, what exactly? Doesn't magically chance how Ocarina of Time completely retconned the entire backstory so badly that the Historia and Encyclopedia had to step in and make up new stuff to have the games backstory make sense with the events of OOT. And by all means please explain how the games somehow retcon most of the entire series, because the only real retcon I can think of is having Hylia inexplicably come back to life, and uh, I dunno, TOTK retconning Calamity Ganon into being an offshoot of the new Ganondorf's hatred instead of being a transformed state of the original one.LttP happens later in the timeline. The BotW games retcon literally most of the verse.
I don't even know where to begin in regards to how bizarre this is argument is.Also they never actually said it’s canon.
Bro did ya play the game you can quite literally just fight ganondorf 1v1 while the other sages fight the phantoms, you may have to dodge an attack or 2 but the sages will literally handle them outside of thatThat’s definitely not what happens in the story. Once you defeat a Phantom Ganon, another one aggros on you automatically. In fact there were more than 5 Phantom Ganons that spawn
The only reason they weren’t was because in game mechanics they have infinite HP.
Actually it was because he was out of his new power, he still gave them the Memory.Technically what was the avatars (Not that it makes a difference)? The real sages showing up is what prompts Ganon to just go back to sitting on his weird gloom tree to gain power, the avatars just help fight the phantoms beforehand
Watch the fights that take place in the background and how onesided they areThere's nothing saying or even implies that they were barely keeping up with them, all we know is that Ganon makes some clones, the sages show up to make it a 5v5, then Ganondorf decides he's gonna use his full power and fights Link 1v1
The narrative isn’t that they can hurt Ganondorf at max powerA stick doesn't have actual narrative behind it likes the Sages do
What new stuff did they exactly make up? Also Hylia didn’t exactly die, she just… became Zelda. She shouldn’t have light powers if Hylia exists. There’s also the fact that stuff from all the timelines exists, Ritos exist alongside Zoras, Zora’s Domain has only even existed for 100 years, basically none of it lines up.LTTP happening later in the timeline means, what exactly? Doesn't magically chance how Ocarina of Time completely retconned the entire backstory so badly that the Historia and Encyclopedia had to step in and make up new stuff to have the games backstory make sense with the events of OOT. And by all means please explain how the games somehow retcon most of the entire series, because the only real retcon I can think of is having Hylia inexplicably come back to life, and uh, I dunno, TOTK retconning Calamity Ganon into being an offshoot of the new Ganondorf's hatred instead of being a transformed state of the original one.
Even Hyrule Warriors is confirmed to be an alternate universe. They’re practically being a dick about not confirming anything about what the BotW canon is.I don't even know where to begin in regards to how bizarre this is argument is.
We may be talking about 2 different fights hereBro did ya play the game you can quite literally just fight ganondorf 1v1 while the other sages fight the phantoms, you may have to dodge an attack or 2 but the sages will literally handle them outside of that
Not da Phantom Ganons, Vinny, da Sage Avatars!And those phantom ganons didn't have infinite HP, what are ya actually on about rn?
They’re practically being a dick about not confirming anything about what the BotW canon is.
If that's a standard tactic he uses, we would, in fact, list that. If Link has every item in the BOTW verse, we will, in fact, list that. That is what this wiki is for, I'm not sure why you want to half-ass things.Yeah, and Link could shit his pants and chuck it at people to win via Incap because they're disgusted and run away, but we're not putting that on the profile. I'm not saying to put nothing on the profile, just don't needlessly bog it down with every item on the BotW verse.
He didn't, he said on this very page he hasn't beat the game yet.Bro did ya play the game you can quite literally just fight ganondorf 1v1 while the other sages fight the phantoms, you may have to dodge an attack or 2 but the sages will literally handle them outside of that
YupALSO ALSO
wasnt there an interview recently that puts the TOTK rauru shit after every other game, and was, as guessed, ANOTHER refounding.
No they're not, they haven't even been slightly coy about it beyond what the events that happened between these games and the previous ones were. You're acting like they've purposely been making it a mystery if these games are their own canon and they haven't at all.They’re practically being a dick about not confirming anything about what the BotW canon is.
Even Hyrule Warriors is confirmed to be an alternate universe. They’re practically being a dick about not confirming anything about what the BotW canon is.
"nah dude theyve never confirmed it"multiple official timelines showing BOTW at the end of every timeline
I literally did that for profile-making purposes to get footage of mfs beating them upWatch the fights that take place in the background and how onesided they are
The narrative though is that they can help, and then they do.The narrative isn’t that they can hurt Ganondorf at max power
And yet, Zora's Domain in BOTW straight-up talks up Ruto from OOT in the plaques.What new stuff did they exactly make up? Also Hylia didn’t exactly die, she just… became Zelda. She shouldn’t have light powers if Hylia exists. There’s also the fact that stuff from all the timelines exists, Ritos exist alongside Zoras, Zora’s Domain has only even existed for 100 years, basically none of it lines up.
Even just in that quote, he’s extremely vague about if it’s even true or not.No they're not, they haven't even been slightly coy about it beyond what the events that happened between these games and the previous ones were. You're acting like they've purposely been making it a mystery if these games are their own canon and they haven't at all.
“Official”"nah dude theyve never confirmed it"
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The Sages “win” because they have infinite HP in gameplay.I literally did that for profile-making purposes to get footage of mfs beating them up
The Sages win every time
The narrative is that the Champions help against Calamity Ganon, yet they get flicked by him.The narrative though is that they can help, and then they do.
Ritos have only ever existed once before, and that was when all Zoras ever became Ritos. And why would nothing else evolve in the Hebras if the Zoras did, as if it wouldn’t help to fly over the mountains of their own domain?And yet, Zora's Domain in BOTW straight-up talks up Ruto from OOT in the plaques.
You know MULTIPLE Zora's Domains exist too yeah? We've had multiple Domains from other games that AREN'T the same one as seen in AlttP.
And Rito's can exist with Zora's just fine, evolution is ****** in Zelda, and it's like, almost always the Zora's, it took like what, 3 generations for that to happen in WW? And now we're talking about tens of thousands of years? Some Zora's probably set up base in could as **** valley land, and having fluffy feathers to fend off cold and being able to fly to cover the canyons and mountains >>>>>>> feesh. So they evolved.
Except actually, like 200 years MAXIMUM for WW, and idk a few hundred for whatever the **** they are in SS to normal Zora, then in downfall they evolve into demonic forms, a lot of which aren't cognizant by the time of zelda 1. And to double down, we get normal zora and the evil type existing together in one of the GBA games, so split evolution zoras existing together ain't even new. Bro, divergent evolution exists and is something that exists in Zelda.
??????The only thing they’ve confirmed like that is BotW takes place way later than any other game. Which barely means a thing.
The Sages can harm the Phantom Ganons, can handle many attacks from them, ultimately win due to better HP (Even if canonically it's actually infinite lol), dunno man doesn't seem like the intention here is that the phantoms casually shit on the sages.The Sages “win” because they have infinite HP in gameplay.
Yeah, they help by using giant mechas and firing massive laser beams from halfway across the country. This is not comparable to the narrative of the Sages showing up in person to swap hands with Ganondorf.The narrative is that the Champions help against Calamity Ganon, yet they get flicked by him.
The world is a massive place, we have confirmation that Hyrule's Zora evolved into the Rito (Due to the Great Sea in particular being weird and ethereal which made it inhospitable to them). Plus it took only 100 years for them to become the Rito, given the sheer gap in time and like Chariot said the fact that the Zora have split evolutions like in the downfall timeline it's not that weird that at some point both can exist together in the same country)Ritos have only ever existed once before, and that was when all Zoras ever became Ritos
Pretty damn sure we've gone through this before, you need to lurk the official websites and shit more often. Completely ignoring MW also confirms BOTW takes place after the other games, just so much later that the other games are nothing but a myth.The only thing they’ve confirmed like that is BotW takes place way later than any other game. Which barely means a thing.
If they take enough damage they like, get stunned for a **** off long time. Doesn't happen, but you already admitted multiple times to having not even beat the game so idk why we're even humoring you on this, you're talking out of ignorance.The Sages “win” because they have infinite HP in gameplay.
So? And so did Koroks, and now they exist again. And so did demon Zoras, until they came back, and so did normal Zoras, until they came back. This is such a nothing statement.Ritos have only ever existed once before,
Correct! We're told in the supplementary material that the ocean of the great sea has magical properties, that the highly sensitive Zoras can not thrive in. As such, as a collective, due to not even one of them being capable of living in the newfound water, and the Zora collective being small as it is due to the flood, they all adapted to the new ocean instead.and that was when all Zoras ever became Ritos.
Idk man, why didn't everything else in WW evolve ******* wings too? Maybe the magic fish race that has evolved no less than FOUR TIMES, while things like Hylians stayed the same, are built a tad diff.And why would nothing else evolve in the Hebras if the Zoras did, as if it wouldn’t help to fly over the mountains of their own domain?
Because the domain is filled with water, lakes, and more they can swim through instead, leads to coasts, have a lot of aquatic river life for hunting, and has constant rain, something the current fish form thrives in?as if it wouldn’t help to fly over the mountains of their own domain?
My bro knows the great fish lore tooDue to the Great Sea in particular being weird and ethereal which made it inhospitable to them
Hyrule Warriors takes place after the other Zelda games, yet it's a different dimension.??????
Bro how does them straight up saying it takes place way later than any other game somehow mean it's the start of it's own different universe?
Who's saying the Phantoms stomp the Sages?The Sages can harm the Phantom Ganons, can handle many attacks from them, ultimately win due to better HP (Even if canonically it's actually infinite lol), dunno man doesn't seem like the intention here is that the phantoms casually shit on the sages.
What they were originally supposed to do is combine their power to (hopefully) defeat a Ganondorf that didn't have a Secret Stone.Yeah, they help by using giant mechas and firing massive laser beams from halfway across the country. This is not comparable to the narrative of the Sages showing up in person to swap hands with Ganondorf.
What reasons would they have to become the Rito in the BotW verse? Also nobody ever said in either game that Ritos are evolutionary offshoots of Zoras here.The world is a massive place, we have confirmation that Hyrule's Zora evolved into the Rito (Due to the Great Sea in particular being weird and ethereal which made it inhospitable to them). Plus it took only 100 years for them to become the Rito, given the sheer gap in time and like Chariot said the fact that the Zora have split evolutions like in the downfall timeline it's not that weird that at some point both can exist together in the same country)
IF the other games even happen. It's a massive hodgepodge of half-baked references to past games (and even then only the ones that sold well) that completely breaks canon.Pretty damn sure we've gone through this before, you need to lurk the official websites and shit more often. Completely ignoring MW also confirms BOTW takes place after the other games, just so much later that the other games are nothing but a myth.
"You didn't beat the game so what you did finish doesn't matter at all"If they take enough damage they like, get stunned for a **** off long time. Doesn't happen, but you already admitted multiple times to having not even beat the game so idk why we're even humoring you on this, you're talking out of ignorance.
No, it just breaks the illusion of BotW fitting anywhere in the lore.So? And so did Koroks, and now they exist again. And so did demon Zoras, until they came back, and so did normal Zoras, until they came back. This is such a nothing statement.
So why would Ritos have to exist, or all Zoras become Ritos from the mountains covering Zora's Domain?Correct! We're told in the supplementary material that the ocean of the great sea has magical properties, that the highly sensitive Zoras can not thrive in. As such, as a collective, due to not even one of them being capable of living in the newfound water, and the Zora collective being small as it is due to the flood, they all adapted to the new ocean instead.
This obviously isn't the case for BOTW, Zora's domain exists, there's water that they can live in.
The Koroks didn't either.Idk man, why didn't everything else in WW evolve ******* wings too? Maybe the magic fish race that has evolved no less than FOUR TIMES, while things like Hylians stayed the same, are built a tad diff.
That would only let them traverse the bottom of the mountains.Because the domain is filled with water, lakes, and more they can swim through instead, leads to coasts, have a lot of aquatic river life for hunting, and has constant rain, something the current fish form thrives in?
Yeah because they explicitly called it a different dimension, BOTW is a mainline game that they simply said is after all the others.Hyrule Warriors takes place after the other Zelda games, yet it's a different dimension.
Who's saying the Phantoms stomp the Sages?
Yeah it's a real mystery dunno who could've been saying the phantoms stomp the sagesHaven’t beaten the game but what have they done to warrant Tier 5? The Sages got stomped by Phantom Ganons.
What are you talking about? There's not a point in the game after Ganondorf becomes the demon king where he lacks his stone. They know he still has his stone, it takes up all of his forehead to block his receding hairline. There was never a point where the plan was to combine their power fight a stoneless version of him since by that point he already had it.What they were originally supposed to do is combine their power to (hopefully) defeat a Ganondorf that didn't have a Secret Stone.
I dunno, large mountains, food reasons, evolution can be whacky especially in a series where magic gods create an ocean that forces fish people to become birds. Like we don't need a detailed reason for why the Rito are there, at some point they just do and it doesn't really contradict anything because we already know races like the Zora can turn into a complete different species in just a single century.What reasons would they have to become the Rito in the BotW verse? Also nobody ever said in either game that Ritos are evolutionary offshoots of Zoras here.
What do you IF? We have direct references to stuff like Ruto and the events of her helping against Ganondorf in Ocarina of Time, guides call the events of the other games the era of myth because there's such a massive time gap after them that nobody really knows the exact details or what happened and when, it doesn't completely break canon because they keep the details just vague enough that we can't really say it breaks canon because there's no clear details.IF the other games even happen. It's a massive hodgepodge of half-baked references to past games (and even then only the ones that sold well) that completely breaks canon.
You keep saying stuff like this, but you never actually explain HOW it breaks the games fitting in the same continuity as every other game. Why can't Koroks come back? Why can't Rito come back? How does them coming back mean it's impossible for BOTW and TOTK to be canon.No, it just breaks the illusion of BotW fitting anywhere in the lore.
Once again, evolution is wild and sometimes the reasons for it are weird, self explanatory, or don't need to be said at all since Nintendo has never done anything like hard confirm that the Rito can only exist in the era of the great sea (And even if they did that's such an easy thing to retcon)So why would Ritos have to exist, or all Zoras become Ritos from the mountains covering Zora's Domain?
And?The Koroks didn't either.
And?That would only let them traverse the bottom of the mountains.
This isn't even true, ignoring the fact the whole ******* franchise is like that, the whole thing is "it takes place so far into the future that every game had a chance to happen", it isn't exactly hard to understand. Media does this shit all the time, just look at Evangelion, JoJo, or other popular verses that uses this very common trope.IF the other games even happen. It's a massive hodgepodge of half-baked references to past games (and even then only the ones that sold well) that completely breaks canon.
uh, yeah? Beat the game first before talking about shit you haven't even got to yet????"You didn't beat the game so what you did finish doesn't matter at all"
Unironically a "you" issue, this isn't even the first time this EXACT thing has happened. What, is the Oracle games non-canon too?No, it just breaks the illusion of BotW fitting anywhere in the lore.
Reading comprehension much? I laid out a whole list of reasons already.So why would Ritos have to exist, or all Zoras become Ritos from the mountains covering Zora's Domain?
Yeah, they didn't, for completely different magic tree reasons. And that was something that had been cooking since even before WW.The Koroks didn't either.
Wow just like in OOT, TP, Oracle, AlttP, and quite literally every other game! You know they can walk too?That would only let them traverse the bottom of the mountains.
That ISN'T true, you just made that up. It's an alt dimension, that's it, they never say once it's after the other games, and why would they? Time travel dimension magic is involved.Hyrule Warriors takes place after the other Zelda games, yet it's a different dimension.
You.Who's saying the Phantoms stomp the Sages?
Literally wrongWhat they were originally supposed to do is combine their power to (hopefully) defeat a Ganondorf that didn't have a Secret Stone.
No, but you are, and taking that evolutionary thing as why it breaks setting, and thus, we're telling you, no, not really, at all.What reasons would they have to become the Rito in the BotW verse? Also nobody ever said in either game that Ritos are evolutionary offshoots of Zoras here.