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Team Fortress 2 Revisions Continued

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Sir Ovens said:
I had your clac doctored by DMUA and he said to just use the full extent of the explosion. Bambu agreed with this notion.
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My calc was backed by multiple calc members and Medeus agreed with it so
 
Still feel the need to quote Abstractions, that scaling characters to something that's vaporizing them seems as paradoxical as a loop hole. It's an awkward game mechanics to go from not one-shotting people, to a full vaporization in a few seconds. The Wall level+ end however is good. And they could be 9-A given how close it is. Cow Mangler is definitely 9-A as is various characters' heat resistance. The Yet and Saxton are also good at 9-A.

I think Wall level+ seems most reasonable for the mercs. You can ask Dargoo which calc he prefers, his or mine. But he probably prefers mine knowing him simply because it's lower. Or at best At least 9-B, possibly 9-A. I will say the 9-A doesn't need an at least.
 
My calc was backed by multiple calc members and Medeus agreed with it so

Is it on a blog?
 
@DDM

"Oh man, the characters can't possible scale to things that they can take multiple hits from and would eventually die from"

That's what you sound like.
 
The mercs scaling to weapons that can vaporize them is like a normal human scaling to a rocket launcher because it only blew their arm off
 
The Smashor said:
@DDM

"Oh man, the characters can't possible scale to things that they can take multiple hits from and would eventually die from"

That's what you sound like.
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You can shoot a normal human with a pistol multiple times without them dying but that doesnt make every human in existence 9-B
 
"The mercs scaling to weapons that can vaporize them is like a normal human scaling to a rocket launcher because they can survive multiple direct hits from it"

There. I fixed your comment.
 
The Smashor said:
@DDM

"Oh man, the characters can't possible scale to things that they can take multiple hits from and would eventually die from"

That's what you sound like.
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That's not helping Smashor

@Weekly

We would still give them the tier for at least tanking most of the blast.
 
Sir Ovens said:
We would still give them the tier for at least tanking most of the blast.
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Correct, said 'most of the blast' was calced at 9-B

Hell the blast itself was only calced at 9-B
 
@Smashor, not the context. The context is that it very quickly kills them, not just eventually kills them. And when it does, it doesn't just kill them, it obliterates them. Vaporization is literally overkill, getting over-killed is the exact opposite of a durability feat. If I vaporized your body piece by piece, that's not durability.

@Weekly Also, RL pistols are 9-C with 9-Bish levels of penetration.
 
There are several weapons that do not kill quickly that also vaporize though. The Cow Mangler is just the strongest.
 
Ah yes. Because never ever has there been in any point in fiction where finishing someone with an attack will vaporize them but they can survive the attack if it doesn't vaporize them.

Definitely not in an anime like Dragon Ball or a game like Dungeons & Dragons.
 
well in the game the are weapons who are stronger but had a small radious of explosion and no the blast of fire was calculed in 9-A
 
It's just common sense; characters scale to each other if they moderately damage each other for sure. If character A ragdolls Character B, and Character B can either not do anything about it or can only slihgly harm them via stuff like poking them in the eye (As in not real damage and more so just a nerve wreck) then Character A scales above B, but B doesn't scale from A. If character A gets vaporized/obliterated easily by B, then Character A shouldn't scale from B but B's attack scales above A's durability.
 
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It's just common sense; characters scale to each other if they moderately damage each other for sure. If character A ragdolls Character B, and Character B can either not do anything about it or can only slihgly harm them via stuff like poking them in the eye (As in not real damage and more so just a nerve wreck) then Character A scales above B, but B doesn't scale from A. If character A gets vaporized / obliterated easily by B, then Character A shouldn't scale from B but B's attack scales above A's durability.
yes but is more like a atack overkill
 
Yeah and thats the part that makes no sense, logically speaking they should not be able to simultanouesly tank something that can vaporize them and also be vaporized by the same thing
 
Plus, it still does extreme damage to them even if they do survive it, giving it little reason for Cow Mangler to scale to their durability to begin with. Plus, if the vaporization process takes more than a second, then we at best have to divide the vaporization value by the number of seconds it does take. It takes multiple rounds + some degree of time for the vaporization to happen; implying it's multitudes less than the 9 digit value.
 
The Smashor said:
@DDM

"Oh man, the characters can't possible scale to things that they can take multiple hits from and would eventually die from"

That's what you sound like.
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This is awful logic, you can die to many things that don't vaporize you, do you not grasp that for them to be vaporized by said weapon it needs to be much higher than their durability?

If they in turn scale to this weapon, then it no longer becomes strong enough to vaporize them, that's just how it works.

So constantly insisting that they scale this way is silly, it doesn't make logical sense.

"You cannot have your cake and eat it too."
 
WeeklyBattles said:
What is supporting 9-A? 9-B feats nearly kill them
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The fact that the 9-B+ feat was a Scout who was already gravely injured? That's pretty obvious in the cinematic
 
9-B feats regularly kill or severely injure them

At best they would be 9-B/9-B+, 9-A with 'insert weapon here'
 
Scout was literally injured by a single 9-B rocket before the Wall level+ feat happened. Plus, the feat also left him in the point of incantation where all his limps are pretty much stiff and needed a medic to heal.
 
is not the cinematic of meat the medic pretty inconsestency especially when you are saying that he can escale to the vaporazition when the proof say than is a movement overkill
 
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