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Sword Art Online Speed Downgrade.
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I wasn’t even using machine translations in the first place. That was just me getting ahead for the later volume. I was using fan translations.
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I think you should read the answers directed at you a bit more carefully. Team Kuro is not considered a Fan Translation.
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I was using this site as my source: https://sao-archive.maamue.de/
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Oh, that is our archive of Tap and Defan's translations. When I refer to Machine Translations, I was referring to your ending note where you said you had information from Unital Ring IV Fan Translations which do not exist.
Anything prior to Machine Translated volumes already have official translations by Yen Press, hence why I have provided the excerpts from them for you to replace your quotes.
A Fan Translation is an actual person with the knowledge of the language translating the text manually.
A machine translation is someone (often with no knowledge of the language) copy pasting the raw text into a translation engine (Google Translate, DeepL, you name it) and then fixing the linguistic errors. The problem is that Machine Translation has 0 clue about actual context so it only translates sentences to the best of its abilities, not the meaning. Imagine seeing "When pigs fly" and instead of actually translating into an idiom in the target language, you literally translate it to "When pigs fly" in that language. An extreme example, since most idioms are actually in the databases of translation engines in this day and age, so it's for illustration purposes. Contextual issues like these are impossible to fix for a machine translator and they tend to go with however much they can make sense of, basically resulting in a text that is a "personal assumption of context" than an actual translation.
On top of this, Machine Translation has many other issues specific to certain languages. For example with Japanese, sentences most often do not have subjects/pronouns and that information is implied within the context (we have this in Turkish too, we call it a hidden subject/pronoun). Translation engines have a neat trick, but quite sexist trick to solve this issue, where they associate certain acts with certain genders. So if there is a cooking scene, the translation engine will assume it is a female cooking for example, since it has no way of knowing from context if the person cooking is a male or female due to not being able to understand context. With Japanese, it is not limited to subjects or pronouns, an incredible amount of things are conveyed through context, making Japanese a particularly terrible language for Machine translation.
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Oh. I was only using machine translation to just read ahead of time regardless of how good or bad the translation really is.
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Again, that means the entire calculation is completely inapplicable for Kirito as we have no proper translation options for sourcing that Kirito is faster than the Abyssal Horror or the Mechadragons which are confirmed slower than the Abyssal Horror, resulting in the current speed categorization being retracted completely.
We also have a citation of Kirito actually not being able to chase Abyssal Horror, making him actually slower than it as well.
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so the reason behind Kirito currently confusing stats especially speed is because of machine translation, no wonder why when i visit other vs battle debate site some people complaining about Kirito's feat
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No, the currently confusing speed stat is caused by an addition made from a completely misunderstood statement from the Fan Translations. Fan Translations state it had been 10 minutes since Sti and Laura took off from Cardina until they encountered Abyssal Horror nearby Cardina (which is also a mistranslation as well, it actually states "a couple dozen minutes" (japanese phrase), so the official translation went with "less than an hour" to match the phrase meaning), whereas the speed category was added under the understanding of "It takes 10 minutes to travel from Cardina to Admina", which was never the case.
The word used in the original was 数十分 however it was translated as only 十分 which caused the false 10 minute statement in Defan's version.
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So in the end the true meaning is it take 10 mins to take off from land to the atmosphere, and need 3 hours more to reach either of the planet??
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No, it took several dozen minutes to get from Cardina to whereever they were at that point, shortly away from Cardina. 3 hours is stated as the total duration of the journey.
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Ah thank, so 3 hours is the total time of the journey, several dozen of minutes sound like the timeframe is under 10 mins??
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A dozen means 12. Couple dozen is at least 24.
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No. The Sub-Relativistic speed calculation is fine.
^ This is just for future notice
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I am not sure I am following. You are making a claim about Kirito, without any of your arguments tying into Kirito. That's my confusion. The entire calculation is made for Kirito's speed, however there is not a single anchor that ties the calculation to Kirito as things stand.
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^ This calculation is fine
^ In a nutshell, this is basically just a reminder for me to update the calculation when I manage to find the Japanese RAW. For now, Kirito's speed is either Unknown with Relativistic reaction speed or Sub-Relativistic with Relativistic reaction speed
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Yes. No problem.
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I actually updated the calculation. I made a few adjustments to clear some misunderstandings. Also, the calculation got updated to Relativistic.
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It is currently a note for himself to take care of it once he is able to from what I understand. He'll be providing the raw once he is able to. Generally, it is easy for me to find a raw when I am going through with a book version of a translation through approximate events, but since the Machine Translation is basically way too scattered and not a proper pdf/epub, it is very much not easy for me to jump into.
The previous clarifications stated the only thing mattered for this calculation was the low ball, so it should be appropriate to pick the closest distance of 39.77 million kilometers that occurs on January 2022. We can go with 43.17 (June 2020) or 43.47 (August 2023) but again, the moment we try to pick among many, we bump into the issue of an arbitrary pick, so imo, it makes sense that for a low ball, we simply pick the lowest.
Edit: In fact, to be very precise, in an almost 100 years long span, the closest the two planets get is going to be 39,543,360 kilometers on December 20, 2085. Source
I do have an issue with your updated Venus distance. Again, throughout the Earth and Venus years, the distance between planets ranges between 40 million km and up to 260 million km. You have arbitrarily chosen 251 million km (it isn't random of course, when you google it, google gives you the distance between planets today, so if you check tomorrow, it is going to be a different number and the day after etc etc). When the distance ranges over 200 million kilometers throughout the year, you cannot just make such a seemingly random pick. Otherwise, I can wait January 2022 and update the calculation to bring down Kirito's speed to less than one sixth of your calculation, or I can wait until October 2022 and publish an updated blog to bring his speed further up.
The previous clarifications stated the only thing mattered for this calculation was the low ball, so it should be appropriate to pick the closest distance of 39.77 million kilometers that occurs on January 2022. We can go with 43.17 (June 2020) or 43.47 (August 2023) but again, the moment we try to pick among many, we bump into the issue of an arbitrary pick, so imo, it makes sense that for a low ball, we simply pick the lowest.
Edit: In fact, to be very precise, in an almost 100 years long span, the closest the two planets get is going to be 39,543,360 kilometers on December 20, 2085. Source
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DMUA and I are trying to fix that as of right nowIt is currently a note for himself to take care of it once he is able to from what I understand. He'll be providing the raw once he is able to. Generally, it is easy for me to find a raw when I am going through with a book version of a translation through approximate events, but since the Machine Translation is basically way too scattered and not a proper pdf/epub, it is very much not easy for me to jump into.
I do have an issue with your updated Venus distance. Again, throughout the Earth and Venus years, the distance between planets ranges between 40 million km and up to 260 million km. You have arbitrarily chosen 251 million km (it isn't random of course, when you google it, google gives you the distance between planets today, so if you check tomorrow, it is going to be a different number and the day after etc etc). When the distance ranges over 200 million kilometers throughout the year, you cannot just make such a seemingly random pick. Otherwise, I can wait January 2022 and update the calculation to bring down Kirito's speed to less than one sixth of your calculation, or I can wait until October 2022 and publish an updated blog to bring his speed further up.
The previous clarifications stated the only thing mattered for this calculation was the low ball, so it should be appropriate to pick the closest distance of 39.77 million kilometers that occurs on January 2022. We can go with 43.17 (June 2020) or 43.47 (August 2023) but again, the moment we try to pick among many, we bump into the issue of an arbitrary pick, so imo, it makes sense that for a low ball, we simply pick the lowest.
Edit: In fact, to be very precise, in an almost 100 years long span, the closest the two planets get is going to be 39,543,360 kilometers on December 20, 2085. Source
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Kirito, Asuna, & Abyssal Horror as they are the only ones that scales to it
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Gamerturk said earlier that there's no reason for it to be applicable for Kirito.
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There is also 0 reason for it to be applicable to Asuna, since none of the comparative statements ever feature Asuna.
By the way, I should add, Kirito and Asuna have their own personal Mechadragon, further evidence of using a Mechadragon being better than Kirito flying on his own. Yet another indicator that Kirito is not necessarily faster than all the foundations you are trying to scale from.
One would imagine these should have been handled before things even got to specifics like calculating.
And once again, I urge you to just change the Fan Translation excerpt into the Official Translation one I have provided earlier here. It already features factually incorrect statements and I live first hand whether they are actually there for a statement or not, fans all around use those excerpts to try and prove completely incorrect things.
By the way, I should add, Kirito and Asuna have their own personal Mechadragon, further evidence of using a Mechadragon being better than Kirito flying on his own. Yet another indicator that Kirito is not necessarily faster than all the foundations you are trying to scale from.
One would imagine these should have been handled before things even got to specifics like calculating.
And once again, I urge you to just change the Fan Translation excerpt into the Official Translation one I have provided earlier here. It already features factually incorrect statements and I live first hand whether they are actually there for a statement or not, fans all around use those excerpts to try and prove completely incorrect things.
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What?!
Kirito just simply scales to the Abyssal Horror which is faster than the mechadragons. I don't see the point of "Kirito not being able to chase the Abyssal Horror" and Asuna should be comparable to Kirito as they spent 200 years together in the Underworld.
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the only thing that scales is Reaction Speed from what im seeing
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I am sorry, but none of this has a tangible point.What?!
Kirito not being able to chase Abyssal Horror is a clear indication of him being slower than it. Your claim is that Kirito is "Faster than AH and thus faster than Mechadragons", however without being faster than the AH, Kirito is not guaranteed to be faster than Mechadragons. And the fact that he has his own special Mechadragon is yet another indication of this. The entire calculation hinges on the fact that you assume Kirito is at least faster than the Mechadragons, yet you currently cannot prove that. I am willing to have the benefit of the doubt that Kirito was not able to chase Abyssal Horror as it was in many pieces, however that benefit of the doubt cannot be acted upon, unless you provide an explicit statement of Kirito being faster than the Abyssal Horror.
Secondly, Kirito and Asuna have a massive power difference. Kirito is directly connected to the Main Visualizer by Higa, giving him a much higher control of Incarnation. Asuna is not directly connected to the Main Visualizer, thus cannot conjure as potent of an Incarnation, thus is much less below the level of Kirito.
To add, Kirito is only directly connected to the Main Visualizer during War of Underworld and not after, since that was an emergency measure. Kirito currently is not as powerful as the Star King state because of this.
I do not want to mention all of these by going off on slight tangents just to highlight comparisons, but the more you fail to solidify your claims, the more I will have to urge you to do so.
Edit: Seeing that there is no activity, I will be adding more information here.
Abyssal Horror is not necessarily faster than the Mechadragons. There are two instances where its speed is compared to vehicles. The first instance involves a transport vehicle, stating Abyssal Horror can indeed catch up to dragoncraft (not Mechadragon, Mechadragons are Integrity Pilot fighter jets). However we know for a fact that these transport vehicles are about half as fast as Mechadragons, taking 6 hours to travel between planets.
The other comparison is when the Abyssal Horror is closing the distance between Stica and Laurannei's Mechadragon.
According to Stica, one of the youngest and best of the Integrity Pilots order is stating the reason the Abyssal Horror is catching up to them is not because its maximum speed is higher than theirs, but because the beast is drawing the energy away from their collectors that feed the thrusters, actively preventing them from reaching their maximum speed to allow an escape. So in a neutral scenario where the Mechadragons were not sucked out of their energy, their maximum cruising speed is simply higher than that of the Abyssal Horror.
As I am now heading to sleep with that last investigative look into Volume 18, I will be making my own calculation tomorrow with all the necessary information, as I believe for a thing that seemingly had so much proper information laid out in a clear manner beforehand, this is taking a bit too long, especially with even suggestions from admins being ignored/stalled. I will be basing my argument structure on Problemexe's blog and lay out all the information relevant to the topic with my own take on where Kirito's speed should be. I am hoping I can come up with something that will only require minor form related corrections, but I'll let you judge it as harshly as you want once I publish it tomorrow.
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I would also like to see some evidence of why the speed should scale to the characters mentioned by Problem. Otherwise, as it stands now, Gamerturk seems to make valid points.
Thanks, you are free to make your own blog if you want.
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Here's my calculation with extensive explanations, so you guys can correct me on terminologies I may be off on.
Unless there are things to be changed, the post is almost complete. I only have a placeholder for a translation portion. The context is as follows provided by Gsi to me from a couple months ago, but I will not be finalizing the post until he provides me the full translation later today when he comes back from work.
Unless there are things to be changed, the post is almost complete. I only have a placeholder for a translation portion. The context is as follows provided by Gsi to me from a couple months ago, but I will not be finalizing the post until he provides me the full translation later today when he comes back from work.
In the meanwhile, feel free to be critical about the calculation if you see room for improvement.
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It would be preferable if you noted what speed value the results end up as in the blog itself.
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Yes, you can mention the final speed values in the conclusion.
Also, if you want, the lowest distance is lowball, the average distance that you took as a highball could actually be taken as midball, and you could take the highest distance between the planets as a highball if you want.
It won't matter though, because we will use the lower end anyway.
Also, if you want, the lowest distance is lowball, the average distance that you took as a highball could actually be taken as midball, and you could take the highest distance between the planets as a highball if you want.
It won't matter though, because we will use the lower end anyway.
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Uhmm, can you clarify what you mean? Because that definitely sounds like what I did under the conclusion header:
Ah, had a brain fart there, that was actually my intention but the brainfart made me discard the highball of maximum distance, which is wrong. Will fix now.
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