DragonLord
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Unless Mario Characters have a canonical reason to vary, they shouldn’t be in the Varies tier
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Super Mario Series Revision (Well, more of downgrade)
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what about the multiversal pure hearts stuff, is that gonna still be there or?
DragonLord
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the Pure Hearts are not being discussed right now
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They will stay multiversal but there's a lack of evidence for countless 2-B as I've discovered.
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Alright you've convinced me, tier 8 it is then!
Black Hole Feats shouldn't be usable so you have like, max 2 tier 4 feats.
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He is literally whatever tier he needs to be for the story as said by Sakurai himself, mentioned in previous threads.
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That's not a rebuttal on the Tier 7 shit.
DragonLord
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Uh…..
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Listen, even if you managed to debunk all tier 7 feats that wouldn't make the tier 4 ones more viable.
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Shigeru Miyamoto
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That's the guy
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Whatever, man. We'll leavee that up to others to decide.
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Uh, it's not "up to decide" at all. They're completely separate, debunking one set of 'em doesn't make the other more viable.
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Nuclear level Mario isn't consistent.
If we're gonna argue "how the characters are nornally portrayed" then Mario is just a regular human with 9-B AP. This is how the public sees him and it's likely how Nintendo does as well.
If we're gonna argue "how the characters are nornally portrayed" then Mario is just a regular human with 9-B AP. This is how the public sees him and it's likely how Nintendo does as well.
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The argument stems from which is more credible and consistent. If all YOU have to rely on is "it's a gag!!!" then I'm sorry but you're in the wrong verse.
Mario runs on gags and toon physics. This is consistent whether you like it or not.
I will not accept dismissing this feat in favor of other clear toon gags like it.
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I assume I shouldn't take that as a concession?
Black holes aren't credible at all, so no, that's not the case. But I agree, it runs on gags and toon physics, so all the tier 8 feats cannot be discounted as game mechanics.
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I mean. A varies tier would make more sense for a character that has literally no canon or real structured timeline at all.
I dunno how tier 7/6 stuff is invalid if the dark bowser, donkey kong and shake king feat can be recalced. Especially when theres so much tier 7 stuff. Varies or likely 4-C seems like the best bet to me
I dunno how tier 7/6 stuff is invalid if the dark bowser, donkey kong and shake king feat can be recalced. Especially when theres so much tier 7 stuff. Varies or likely 4-C seems like the best bet to me
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I feel like Mario bros has several lines of logic that work to explain his power
A: Varies from x to y this makes sense as it explains weird and inconsistent feats and lore.
B: unknown Mario and friends are all actors preforming this feats or something similar it is impossible to actually know what tier they are because of this as more often than not problems are shown to be life threatening or inconsequential.
C: at least x, likely y, at most z(or something similar) this shows we don't know for certain right now but we have some guesses currently believed to be the case
D: X the simple simple option and maybe the correct one everything else is an outlier or anti feat.
I am afraid this should probably be chosen as early as possible because we're here to index profiles to be what we think is correct not people pleasers choosing to wait on this part of the decision will most likely cause more problems down the line than doing it now
A: Varies from x to y this makes sense as it explains weird and inconsistent feats and lore.
B: unknown Mario and friends are all actors preforming this feats or something similar it is impossible to actually know what tier they are because of this as more often than not problems are shown to be life threatening or inconsequential.
C: at least x, likely y, at most z(or something similar) this shows we don't know for certain right now but we have some guesses currently believed to be the case
D: X the simple simple option and maybe the correct one everything else is an outlier or anti feat.
I am afraid this should probably be chosen as early as possible because we're here to index profiles to be what we think is correct not people pleasers choosing to wait on this part of the decision will most likely cause more problems down the line than doing it now
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Quit the spiteAll good things…
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mike loves to derail with random bullshit, just ignore him
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No. Double standards are a legitimate cause for concern. It’s not a fallacy to call them out.
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I don't think that the pure hearts will be touched anytime soon
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It was not a mod that created the server and I am currently the owner, and am only a mod for Joke Battles Wiki. Really getting tired of this idea that there is this grand conspiracy to get Mario downgraded. btw, Dino Ranger Black isn't even on the server and made this thread before consulting anyone in it, so please stop insisting that the mods are working together to get Mario downgraded.
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Yeah, this conspiracy theory shit is real annoying. It doesn't matter whether or not there's a downgrade server for Mario, there's a revision server for Warhammer 40K and I don't see anyone complaining about that.
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If you actually believe that the mods are working together to get Mario downgraded, not only are you wrong, you are stupid.
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Anyways, are there any other arguments against Raphael besides calling it a gag feat? It's the earliest feat in the series and given Kamek references becoming a twinkle in the heavens and we see his amping magic burst from Raphael before he got launched from Yoshi defeating him, it's safe to say it was intended and scales regardless. Kamek literally uses the same amping magic on a ton of bosses that tons of people fight and the Yoshi species itself scales to the feat.
If this is written off as "a gag feat" and therefore isn't a legitimate feat then we should NOT be accepting of the castle feat at all, but we do accept it. So either we go against ourselves and consider one legit but not the other, or both are/are not legit and shouldn't be used. I'm personally a fan of them both being legit because of the nature of Mario's series being that of a cast of characters fit for any role, literally partly being based on these old cartoons where characters can accomplish wacky toony things and change roles constantly that was referenced in this thread. This is literally from Miyamoto himself and everyone knows the quote I'm talking about. These are just a part of how the franchise works and functions.
I'll stop using the gag feat excuse out of sarcasm but please for the love of god just find a better argument cause this just ain't it.
If this is written off as "a gag feat" and therefore isn't a legitimate feat then we should NOT be accepting of the castle feat at all, but we do accept it. So either we go against ourselves and consider one legit but not the other, or both are/are not legit and shouldn't be used. I'm personally a fan of them both being legit because of the nature of Mario's series being that of a cast of characters fit for any role, literally partly being based on these old cartoons where characters can accomplish wacky toony things and change roles constantly that was referenced in this thread. This is literally from Miyamoto himself and everyone knows the quote I'm talking about. These are just a part of how the franchise works and functions.
I'll stop using the gag feat excuse out of sarcasm but please for the love of god just find a better argument cause this just ain't it.
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When is that coming around?
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When Games Workshop finally finishes their Horus Heresy rewrite.
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Since people love playing the "What about X" game so much, then Saitama needs an immediate upgrade to High 4-C for tanking a "black hole" by this same logic. It apparently doesn't matter if that black hole goes against our standards or how a real life black hole should behave.
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Alright, the Popeye feat was different, so there's nothing to call out in the first place. Glad that's settled.
DragonLord
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Man, and you called it being self destruction an Assumption
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Even if this is accepted as a legitimate black hole, I'm fairly certain that we don't give durability for surviving a black hole. We just give them resistance.
If we are discussing tier 4 feats, let's make a list of the valid ones. I'll use the list Mav provided for reference.
About the bolded feat, it was said that those stars are not power stars. If that's the case, we should probably remove that one.
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Move power stars to contentious
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To be fair though, Bowser does tank attacks from charactrrs powered uo on those Stars, regardless of if they're Power Stars or not. But it's still a bit dubious if the stars in the Party Cube are real ones.
There's also that black hole minigame where the black hole seems to effect galaxies in space and Bowser tanking the black hole eating away at planets. Regardless of them behaving like real ones or not their effects and range are still apparent and scalable that way.
There's also that black hole minigame where the black hole seems to effect galaxies in space and Bowser tanking the black hole eating away at planets. Regardless of them behaving like real ones or not their effects and range are still apparent and scalable that way.
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Real black holes are black holes. It’s not made from powers, magic, tech, etc. It’s a collapsed star in space. End of story. We don’t do this song and dance for lightning or light, or even black holes. If it comes from an irrefutably legitimate source, then it’s happily accepted. But y’all wanna be contentious so do whatever.
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