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Well we usually don't scale characters to the original mythology/religion that inspired them. Although Buddha is legit 1-A.
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Sun Wukong's strength - Info from the book and cultural studies
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That doesn't make any sense. You can't completely remove a character from it's original cultural/historical context. Anything based on such a stripped down version would be incorrect.
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Lots of derivative stories (games, comics, books, TV series, movies, etcetera) feature characters from major religions, but unless they reference the feats and natures described within the original myths, we cannot use them for scaling.
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Well I think this would be different as Sun Wukong is strictly and directly related to Buddhism itself, differently from a story which is only inspired by mythology like say, Riordanverse and the like, which don't scale to the actual mythology.
I think it should be fine to scale him from actual Buddhism.
I think it should be fine to scale him from actual Buddhism.
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My point is that this discussion is about the character from the novel. Even his article is named "Sun Wukong (myth)". His mythos comes primarily from said novel. Disregarding portions of the novel and any underlying religious meaning makes no sense.Antvasima said:
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I mean if we did scale to actual buddhism Wukong would be 1-A
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But I don't think we should. So just Low 2-C is fine, or maybe 2-C since there are multiple infinite planes of existence space-time, but not a googleplex.
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I asked for his input again.Antvasima said:
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What do we need?
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I don't think we should us those multiverse quotes from Buddhism. It's highly interpretative and a Buddha could be anyway from 2-B to 1-A from interpretations.
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Is not up to interpretation. In all mahayana traditions the buddha is at least 1-A, trascending the concepts of space, time and duality, and in most of them he trascends the concepts of meaning and description.Matthew Schroeder said:
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We don't scale fictional characters with religious inspirations to original religions
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Do we need to change his high 3A justification from lifting the Milky Way (which is a mistranslation) to shaking the universe?
Also, how do we treat the mountains he lifted in his regular form where he had to be crushed under the heaviest thing imaginable to finally keep him from moving? Considering one of them is the central axis of the universe would that be considered lifting a notable portion of the universe?
Also, how do we treat the mountains he lifted in his regular form where he had to be crushed under the heaviest thing imaginable to finally keep him from moving? Considering one of them is the central axis of the universe would that be considered lifting a notable portion of the universe?
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Yes but before we need to adress the point Ghostexorcist did. As i think is pretty good.ZacharyGrossman273 said:
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I think that 3-A for Wukong for soloing Heaven, shaking the universe and being unkillable even by the Jade Emperor makes sense.
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This thread was originally about his lifting strength. If you feel the information I provided is correct, please change his level from T Class to whatever is appropriate for lifting a chunk of the Universe.
Also, per what I wrote earlier, I think his battle with heaven scared everyone in the universe, not that he caused it to shake.
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That would be Multi-Galactic Lifting Strength then.
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Sun didn't lift a chunk of the universe, the Mount is the axis of the universe because in Buddhist Cosmology the sun and all the planets circle the mountain. I did some calculation and the total weight of the two mountains are 3.4471765e+30kg, that's Stellar Lifting Strength. But that just my calc.
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Is it just a coincidence that the 2 mountains that he couldn't lift are both have infinite mass. The first one is the Five Elements Mountain, which is literally Buddha's palm. The second is the Mount Tai, Mount Tai is made of Pan Gu's head. Btw, the Five Elements Mountains can only seal Sun 'cause a talisman, he did break the mountain afterall.
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