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I already posted this but you did it cooler. How did you get the scroll down images to occur? I couldn't figure that out
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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I already posted this but you did it cooler. How did you get the scroll down images to occur? I couldn't figure that out
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I already explained why the interactions with water jets are different that slashing an immobible body of water.
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No clue, I just linked it normally I guess
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Using Normal Punch's to scale character's durability never worked out even in the past. And now that we have some degree of confirmation that Saitama has some ridiculous accelerated growth that can become exponentially increasing depending on his emotional state, it becomes even less viable. The Normal Punch(s) he used to defeat Orochi could be vastly superior to the ones Saitama used against Boros. There's no reason to think his Normal Punch's have a set and unchanging amount of power. There IS reason to think he uses as much effort, but the amount of power exerted with said effort is more than likely constantly increasing. It's impossible to say how much stronger he got between Boros and Orochi, but objectively speaking, he did get stronger. Presumably a lot stronger.
Normal Punch's are Saitama just throwing his fist forward without restraint nor effort, whereas a Serious Punch is Saitama just throwing an actual punch with real effort exerted into it. It's that simple. He's not intentionally pulling his punch, but he isn't trying to make it powerful, when he does a Normal Punch. But even Saitama just lazily throwing a balled up hand forward usually gores well over 90% of his opponents anyways due to the incomparable power gap, so when one of them actually manages to take it, he finds it rather impressive, regardless of his current power level.
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a multicontinental feat isn’t enough for you? oof
he was specifically retconned to get stronger, so i doubt anyone of these scales to him
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Wasn't that pre-redraw?
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Tatsumaki was fodder (literally around Pre Molt EC level) in Psykos' eyes at the time. Plus, Ninja duo could have been hiding their strength to the MA. Wouldn't even matter because Phoenix Man makes those statements after seeing revived monster forms Hellfire and Galewind. Plus the ninjas only dealt minimal damage to Brave Giant while he easily ripped an arm off of him.
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I was talking about arguments narrative-wise: statements (did the ninjas ever admit inferiority to Orochi?), fights to compare their damage to the same opponent, etc.
I partially agree with that. He only got stronger feat-wise, but narratively he got weaker. In pre redraw he was able to catch and dodge Saitama, plus he had a transformation above his base self. Post redraw, he doesn't dodge anything, and stays in base form the whole fight (removing his mask is not transforming).
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What? Sounds delusional. Psykos don't send them for obvious reasons and here you are saying the opposite, come on man you're better than this.
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The initial normal punch has a confirmed set strength, it is referred in the databook as a test punch. From there, he keeps on throwing stronger normal punches based on the strength of the opponent, but the initial punch is always the same, with the exception of humans, dogs, situations where he needs to save people/his house, etc.
Saitama hasn't grown any stronger since the Boros fight. He has stated several times in the series that he doesn't feel anything and thinks he can't grow anymore (he monologues about this before the Mosquito Girl fight and during his talk with King. Also, there is an extra chapter where he monologues about that). His strength changes when there is excitement in a fight, but he hasn't got that until his fight with Garou. And I don't think I need to go into why the VGS is wrong, there are many arguments against it. And even if he grew, that wouldn't contradict the fact that his test punch has a set amount of AP.
Again, the databook goes against that. Also, Saitama has an exceptional management of his strnegth during fights. To say he doesn't think about how strong he is punching is a blatant lie, because he can put the precise amount of effort into a punch to knock someone as strong as Garou/ Rover out, without killing them.
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I know exactly how good I am, and you are not responding to any of my claims. The real strength of the ninja duo was much higher than the perceived strength Tatsumaki had in Psykos' eyes. So, the most probable scenario is that they were concealing their real powers, because they scale far higher than most cadres, if not all of them, and they were only cadre candidates in the eyes of Psykos.
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No. Psykos knows how powerful everyone who joined them especially the ones who took monster cells. Ninja duo has fodder durability that they've cut by a sword that Tatsumaki broke
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what the f?
psykos saw tatsumaki’s bombardment, she pretty much knew that the ninja duo would get wreck by her.
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That's not true. Saitama has punched harder while not charging a normal punch. He is just that good with controlling how much effort he puts into his punches. Look at Beefcake, Saitama charged the punch. However, that punch was way weaker than the no-look backfist he landed on Perfect Fist Garou. His form doesn't have anything to do with his power.
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Thank you Recon.
Can you prove she has measured their power levels? Both in human and monster form? There is no indication of that. Ninja duo made FF spit blood out his mouth, the same FF who held his own against PS. They clear the cadres both in speed and AP/ Durability.
Bombardment? To the Boros ship you mean? No. Even if it were true, that just means Ninja duo scale higher than that. If she knew they would get wrecked, it is because she didn't know their real power, because they scale way above Pre Molt EC, who Psykos thought Tatsumaki was relative to.
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With the current ratings, they stalemate Gouketsu at best. Ninjas also have notoriously bad DC against larger opponents so they would probably lose against Elder Centipede in the long run as well.
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psykos was the one who gave them the cells and she pretty much analyze everyone in the association, she would definetely sent them to fight tatsumaki if they were really strong.
you are literally missing the compatibility system and going against the wiki because we literally accepted her as one of the main sources of the verse
you are literally missing the compatibility system and going against the wiki because we literally accepted her as one of the main sources of the verse
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Fodders for "TATSUMAKI" and literally other ninjas
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Do you both realize that if Psykos knows about Hellfire and Galewind's full power the whole scaling falls apart?
Pre-Molt EC < Tatsumaki (perceived by Psykos) < base Gyoro Gyoro = Garou (GG said if she fought Garou she would need to expend strength and she wanted to be at full power. You can also argue the power GG was using on Garou was the one that could defeat Tats, as she stated) < Orochi Garou < Spiral Garou < Post Darkshine Garou = weakened Bomb < Bomb= Bang < AB Bang = FF= Ninjas (there are slight differences, but they are all comparable in terms of raw physical stats).
Ninjas are just that high, they are way higher than what Psykos thought Tatsuamki could do. She just didn't know about their powers, because if she did, that would mean Tatsumaki the version of Garou who fought Gyoro Gyoro could stomp the ninjas, and that's blatantly false. The fact they weren't considered even cadres despite scaling above almost every cadre means she didn't know shit.
Also, Phoenix Man, who is one of the most knowledgeable members in the MA, said (pre-redraw) the ninjas should be pretty strong. He doesn't even know their levels accurately. They are ninjas and are on a mission for a reason. Their plans are beyond MA's, their main goal is to defeat Flashy Flash, they don't need to reveal more things than Psykos needs to know.
Pre-Molt EC < Tatsumaki (perceived by Psykos) < base Gyoro Gyoro = Garou (GG said if she fought Garou she would need to expend strength and she wanted to be at full power. You can also argue the power GG was using on Garou was the one that could defeat Tats, as she stated) < Orochi Garou < Spiral Garou < Post Darkshine Garou = weakened Bomb < Bomb= Bang < AB Bang = FF= Ninjas (there are slight differences, but they are all comparable in terms of raw physical stats).
Ninjas are just that high, they are way higher than what Psykos thought Tatsuamki could do. She just didn't know about their powers, because if she did, that would mean Tatsumaki the version of Garou who fought Gyoro Gyoro could stomp the ninjas, and that's blatantly false. The fact they weren't considered even cadres despite scaling above almost every cadre means she didn't know shit.
Also, Phoenix Man, who is one of the most knowledgeable members in the MA, said (pre-redraw) the ninjas should be pretty strong. He doesn't even know their levels accurately. They are ninjas and are on a mission for a reason. Their plans are beyond MA's, their main goal is to defeat Flashy Flash, they don't need to reveal more things than Psykos needs to know.
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The current ninja duo would likely force plat to mid-high diff them as well
The heavenly ninja party together rather simplistically beats plat as well
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Individually, they could pose a threat to PS for all we know.
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Actually I think the heavenly ninja part could take out all the cadre at once
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I'm honestly expecting them to get 0 feats. We haven't gotten any surprisingly powerful feats since Apollo caused his 7-A earthquakes back in the psychic sisters arc, I'm worried the ninjas won't manage anything more impressive than small building level feats.
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Expect more speed feats
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I agree with you, but I don't care, they already scale to PS level individually.
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Forgot about Gouketsu and fair enough about EC I guess
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Very likely yeah but I hope we get a new constellation feat with all the ninjas involved, that'd be neat even if the result is lower than current speed ratings
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Yeah we'll definitely get some of those
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"the databook" Lol.
How does the databook calling it a test punch somehow suggest that he always uses the same level of power to start a fight even later in the manga? Do you realize how little sense that even makes my guy. If Saitama's no-effort attacks can one-shot his opponents, what's the point in testing their strength anyways. He's looking for a good fight, not to analyze how strong people specifically are lmao. If he uses the same level of punch even currently in the manga, that would mean he's testing if his opponent is at least, like, practically a million times weaker than himself. There is no sense or logic behind that argument and also very little evidence to support it. And furthermore, that still doesn't suggest his punches against Orochi were of the same level at all.
"Saitama hasn't grown any stronger" etc.
Have you been reading the same manga as us? It is literally, objectively confirmed in the Garou fight that Saitama has limited power but limitless potential, and is ALWAYS growing, now just when he is excited and you...god I can't believe I'm seeing that argument here. Saitama WAS NOT growing because he got "excited", Saitama was growing because Garou killed Genos. Saitama literally says that even though he's found a good fight, he doesn't care and doesn't feel excited, and just wants to beat the shit out of Garou, furthermore, the narrator, literally, refers to it as an emotional upsurge, and I quote, "like none he had ever felt before". Which automatically destroys that argument, and I can not understand how so many people misinterpret that. Also, in this same explanation from the narrator, he explains says that the emotional upsurge caused Saitama's growth to exponentially increase, while also saying that Saitama had always continued to grow, which means that yes, Saitama is always growing, just not nearly on the same level as against Garou, you can't exponentially increase from 0, so that means he has to have been growing for his growth rate to undergo an exponential boost, that much is very obvious and just basic common sense. People put this TOGETHER with the audiobook where Saitama one-shots himself from the previous day as well because it's very logical to combine the two points, few people ever considered the audiobook scene to be confirmed or even extremely likely until now where we have confirmation that Saitama has accelerated development. Genus explains that the Limiter is the restriction to growth, and removing it removes said limitation. We also see that Saitama when he was still during the middle of his training but after breaking his Limiter struggled to perform a sub-light speed feat whereas bald Saitama considers attacks of that level to be a bad joke. Saitama outright says in the audiobook that, of course, he would beat himself from the previous day...
Saitama has never actually said that he literally can't get stronger and you are completely taking his words out of context. What Saitama has said is that he metaphorically cannot make any more growth or reach any new heights, because he's already at the top. If a mountain climber reaches the top of Mount Everest, that's it, there's no more goals to strive for that would be on a higher level, there's no more growth, thus, stagnation. That doesn't mean they can't get better at mountain climbing, but what's even the point then, if they could conquer the biggest challenge of all, there aren't any more feats above that to accomplish. Saitama feels as though he's already the pinnacle of power in his world, which is what ONE had in mind when writing the character as he explained in a Q/A, so yes, he's already at the top and there's no more room for growth, but that doesn't mean he can't still get stronger in a literal sense which he objectively can. The entire point of his power is that he has removed the limitations to his physical growth.
The databook doesn't hold any relevance, you're taking a random vague phrase used probably one time I'm guessing from a databook filled with statements so laughably, horrendously off the mark, that it completely ruins most credibility the databook has. Unless you think that Marugori is city block level and Atomic Samurai can cut atoms.
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