- 1,984
- 1,235
I believe so.
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
- Thread starter Phoenks
- Start date
- 4,004
- 2,798
It's debatable. Sonic's been around longer and had more appearances than Tatsumaki, but Tatsumaki's been at the epicenter of two major subplots now while Sonic's just getting his first major subplot.
I'd have to really think about which one is more relevant before I made a call but I think it's funny how Tatsumaki's not around as much but when she is, she's front and center demanding your attention. Meanwhile Sonic is there much more of the time, lurking in the background here and there and dashing into view for a second before getting punched back out of frame.
Their place in the narrative really fits with their characters
I'd have to really think about which one is more relevant before I made a call but I think it's funny how Tatsumaki's not around as much but when she is, she's front and center demanding your attention. Meanwhile Sonic is there much more of the time, lurking in the background here and there and dashing into view for a second before getting punched back out of frame.
Their place in the narrative really fits with their characters
- 4,807
- 1,119
this is exactly why she is more relevant, she is created to caught our attention
- 1,984
- 1,235
That's not how relevance works.
- 4,807
- 1,119
this is literally how relevance works, lol
doesn’t matter how many times you’ve been around if you have zero impact in the history.
- 4,004
- 2,798
I think it's like...
1) Saitama
2) Genos
.
.
3) Garou
.
4/5)Sonic
4/5) Tatsumaki
.
6/7)Fubuki
6/7)Flashy Flash
.
8) Bang?
9) Child Emperor?
10) IDK?
1) Saitama
2) Genos
.
.
3) Garou
.
4/5)Sonic
4/5) Tatsumaki
.
6/7)Fubuki
6/7)Flashy Flash
.
8) Bang?
9) Child Emperor?
10) IDK?
- 7,350
- 3,748
Anyone have a colored scan of heaveky ninja party?
- 13,903
- 5,405
It’s extremely relevant
if you make a brief slash in a water jet then it’s just gonna keep moving forward. Atomic can’t just make a shockwave that lingers and cuts it forever
Darkshine being able to plow through it is just because he’s moving continuously and tanking his way across it. A sword is objectively the worst matchup against evil natural water, darkshine’s only purpose there was because he’s not a sword user and can actually do something to it
if atomic had the sun blade, literally nothing would change in that scene.
- 13,903
- 5,405
also the fact that atomic samurai has no evidence of durability being beyond wall level would probably make him less confident in charging headfirst into water like that as well, just something to think about
- 1,984
- 1,235
It's not going to move forward forever if it's not strong enough.
Also, AS hasn't shown he has the strength to pierce through the water jet, while Darkshine has. And that has nothing to do with his sword, a sword also has the ability to split water jets, it just has to be strong enough.
Darkshine punched through ENW's jet. His fist is not still (which would talk more about his durability), it is visibly moving, his body does the mechanics of a punch. So, it doens't matter how close he was to ENW or if he was moving forward, what matters the most is the interaction with the jet.
Oh I can tell you the Sun Blade would pierce those jets like butter. Now he's barely deflecting them, with the SB he would split them in half due to a massive AP amp.
Just curious, where in the power scale would you rate base AS?
Last edited:
- 13,903
- 5,405
just relative to base bang AP wise
- 1,984
- 1,235
I was wondering, are there any evidences/ statements that prove Flashy Flash/ Ninja Duo/ Platinum Sperm were below Orochi during the MA arc?
I can only think about an argument for Gouketsu scaling higher than PS (which I believe is a stretch and probably not true), which would of course make Orochi stronger.
And also an argument from pre-redraw chapters, where Phoenix Man considers himself stronger than the monsterized ninja duo (feats against Brave Giant support this) and says he'll have to be careful with FF given that he has killed them both. Then monologues about how cadres will be set apart as mere foils to him, but he never talks about adding Orochi to his dead army, even though he mentions him in the previous panel.
I can only think about an argument for Gouketsu scaling higher than PS (which I believe is a stretch and probably not true), which would of course make Orochi stronger.
And also an argument from pre-redraw chapters, where Phoenix Man considers himself stronger than the monsterized ninja duo (feats against Brave Giant support this) and says he'll have to be careful with FF given that he has killed them both. Then monologues about how cadres will be set apart as mere foils to him, but he never talks about adding Orochi to his dead army, even though he mentions him in the previous panel.
- 1,984
- 1,235
Because they consider themselves rivals? Or anything else?
- 4,004
- 2,798
I already posted this but you did it cooler. How did you get the scroll down images to occur? I couldn't figure that out
- 1,984
- 1,235
I already explained why the interactions with water jets are different that slashing an immobible body of water.
Recon1511
He/Him- 7,350
- 6,391
No clue, I just linked it normally I guess
- 6,504
- 6,597
Using Normal Punch's to scale character's durability never worked out even in the past. And now that we have some degree of confirmation that Saitama has some ridiculous accelerated growth that can become exponentially increasing depending on his emotional state, it becomes even less viable. The Normal Punch(s) he used to defeat Orochi could be vastly superior to the ones Saitama used against Boros. There's no reason to think his Normal Punch's have a set and unchanging amount of power. There IS reason to think he uses as much effort, but the amount of power exerted with said effort is more than likely constantly increasing. It's impossible to say how much stronger he got between Boros and Orochi, but objectively speaking, he did get stronger. Presumably a lot stronger.
Normal Punch's are Saitama just throwing his fist forward without restraint nor effort, whereas a Serious Punch is Saitama just throwing an actual punch with real effort exerted into it. It's that simple. He's not intentionally pulling his punch, but he isn't trying to make it powerful, when he does a Normal Punch. But even Saitama just lazily throwing a balled up hand forward usually gores well over 90% of his opponents anyways due to the incomparable power gap, so when one of them actually manages to take it, he finds it rather impressive, regardless of his current power level.
- 4,807
- 1,119
a multicontinental feat isn’t enough for you? oof
he was specifically retconned to get stronger, so i doubt anyone of these scales to him
- 22,383
- 18,589
Wasn't that pre-redraw?
- 1,984
- 1,235
- 1,984
- 1,235
Tatsumaki was fodder (literally around Pre Molt EC level) in Psykos' eyes at the time. Plus, Ninja duo could have been hiding their strength to the MA. Wouldn't even matter because Phoenix Man makes those statements after seeing revived monster forms Hellfire and Galewind. Plus the ninjas only dealt minimal damage to Brave Giant while he easily ripped an arm off of him.
- 1,984
- 1,235
I was talking about arguments narrative-wise: statements (did the ninjas ever admit inferiority to Orochi?), fights to compare their damage to the same opponent, etc.
I partially agree with that. He only got stronger feat-wise, but narratively he got weaker. In pre redraw he was able to catch and dodge Saitama, plus he had a transformation above his base self. Post redraw, he doesn't dodge anything, and stays in base form the whole fight (removing his mask is not transforming).
- 555
- 160
What? Sounds delusional. Psykos don't send them for obvious reasons and here you are saying the opposite, come on man you're better than this.
- 1,984
- 1,235
The initial normal punch has a confirmed set strength, it is referred in the databook as a test punch. From there, he keeps on throwing stronger normal punches based on the strength of the opponent, but the initial punch is always the same, with the exception of humans, dogs, situations where he needs to save people/his house, etc.
Saitama hasn't grown any stronger since the Boros fight. He has stated several times in the series that he doesn't feel anything and thinks he can't grow anymore (he monologues about this before the Mosquito Girl fight and during his talk with King. Also, there is an extra chapter where he monologues about that). His strength changes when there is excitement in a fight, but he hasn't got that until his fight with Garou. And I don't think I need to go into why the VGS is wrong, there are many arguments against it. And even if he grew, that wouldn't contradict the fact that his test punch has a set amount of AP.
Again, the databook goes against that. Also, Saitama has an exceptional management of his strnegth during fights. To say he doesn't think about how strong he is punching is a blatant lie, because he can put the precise amount of effort into a punch to knock someone as strong as Garou/ Rover out, without killing them.
- 1,984
- 1,235
I know exactly how good I am, and you are not responding to any of my claims. The real strength of the ninja duo was much higher than the perceived strength Tatsumaki had in Psykos' eyes. So, the most probable scenario is that they were concealing their real powers, because they scale far higher than most cadres, if not all of them, and they were only cadre candidates in the eyes of Psykos.
- 555
- 160
No. Psykos knows how powerful everyone who joined them especially the ones who took monster cells. Ninja duo has fodder durability that they've cut by a sword that Tatsumaki broke
- 4,807
- 1,119
what the f?
psykos saw tatsumaki’s bombardment, she pretty much knew that the ninja duo would get wreck by her.
- 1,984
- 1,235
That's not true. Saitama has punched harder while not charging a normal punch. He is just that good with controlling how much effort he puts into his punches. Look at Beefcake, Saitama charged the punch. However, that punch was way weaker than the no-look backfist he landed on Perfect Fist Garou. His form doesn't have anything to do with his power.
- 1,984
- 1,235
Thank you Recon.
Can you prove she has measured their power levels? Both in human and monster form? There is no indication of that. Ninja duo made FF spit blood out his mouth, the same FF who held his own against PS. They clear the cadres both in speed and AP/ Durability.
Bombardment? To the Boros ship you mean? No. Even if it were true, that just means Ninja duo scale higher than that. If she knew they would get wrecked, it is because she didn't know their real power, because they scale way above Pre Molt EC, who Psykos thought Tatsumaki was relative to.
