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I can easily break your bones, however
Either admit tatsumaki is fodder or take it to the Boros discussion thread
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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It’s fodder but yes I made it
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Tatsumaki discussion thread
Welcome to the OFFICIAL Tatsumaki discussion thread (Official)
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read the ******* private
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Not until you admit Boros is stronger
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The test punch, the initial normal punch Saitama throws at the start of his fights, has a set strength. Armored Boros survived it while Orochi got his dragons destroyed in both redraw and pre redraw versions.
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VOLUME 29 Redraws
With every Darkshine Buff I grow stronger...
Hope his sequences with VFU and GS get buffed as well because these redraws keep making Darkshine look strong as hell
With every Darkshine Buff I grow stronger...
Hope his sequences with VFU and GS get buffed as well because these redraws keep making Darkshine look strong as hell
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Darkshine's AP > Atomic Samurai's AP.
AS was never a rival to base Bang.
AS was never a rival to base Bang.
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If I had to guess, these would be the main characters by order of relevance:
Saitama
Genos
Garou
Sonic
King
Fubuki
Tatsumaki
The others are way below, but maybe I'm missing somebody.
Saitama
Genos
Garou
Sonic
King
Fubuki
Tatsumaki
The others are way below, but maybe I'm missing somebody.
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I mean
a weakened bomb could keep up with post darkshine Garou, so who’s to say that Darkshine is a rival to base bang either
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Well I think most of us would say he probably isn't, but it depends on how much of a buff Awakening Breath is.
Healthy Bomb should be at least a couple times stronger than Darkshine, so it depends on how comparable Bomb and base Bang are. After all, Murata did say Bomb > Bang so it's possible that Bomb is physically superior to Bang w/o Awakening Breath.
I'd personally say base Bang is strong enough to KO Darkshine after a short fight, but not strong enough to one-shot.
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I think that darkshine has the durability to somewhat tank hits from both anyways, since Garou didn’t manage to scratch darkshine (could only damage him with dura neg type stuff) and his damage from Golden Sperm’s hit was really just a concussion and bloody nose
But AP wise, I can’t see him being above atomic samurai
But AP wise, I can’t see him being above atomic samurai
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Yeah I'm confident that Bomb and base Bang are both significantly weaker than GS, also probably a bit slower.
AP wise though, I think Darkshine's interactions with ENW and Psykos both point to him being stronger than regular Atomic. The Superalloy missile knocked Psykos unconscious, which was more than the Beeline Atomic Slash did
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Thats literally just AP vs DC
Darkshine is better at blowing things up because atomic literally just uses a sword
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In ENW's case sure, but if Atomic had just as much force behind the beeline slash as Darkshine had behind the Missile I'm sure he would have just sliced Psykorochi in half. If anything, Atomic has to have lower AP given the sheer number of concentrated slashes in such a small area
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He literally sliced through the part of Psyrochi that his sword made contact with
what else could you ask for
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I'm asking for the slice to leave Psyrochi in two pieces
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Didn't say that. I knew that base Bang >> Darkshine in terms of AP (btw the wiki still says Darkshine is vastly superior in raw strength in the AP section. That is blatantly wrong and needs to be fixed). The thing is we didn't know Darkshine > AS, so for all we knew, base AS could have been on Bang's level indeed.
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Why? Darkshine punched through ENW's water beam, he separated it in two parts, and one shot ENW. Meanwhile, AS attacked the water beam with his sword and barely managed to repel it (Iaian broke his sword while swinging at full power). Before the redraw, it was just durability what Darkshine had over AS. Now it's both.
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Because it’s a sword, the surface area literally makes it impossible to do anything against water besides slightly split it
being able to splash water better has nothing to do with AP in this situation
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Bang already fought a past (and likely weaker) version of Darkshine and he wasn't able to damage him, so a high volume KO is not possible in my opinion. He doesn't even have durability negation techniques. Darkshine's Durability > base Bang's AP.
I would take what Murata said with a grain of salt, he is not the highest authority on OPM, and many of the things he says are mere non-contrastated opinions. I would go more with Fubuki's statement, who, after witnessing Bang and Bomb at full power in base, stated they were equals.
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As far as Murata's statement goes I'm just saying it makes base Bang's exact scaling a bit more ambiguous since it raises the possibility that base Bang is somewhat weaker than Bomb, something which I don't think there's any in-verse proof against. Or at least nothing I know about
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If he had higher AP, ENW and AS's attacks woudn't be even. AS, even if the cut were small, would be able to slice through the jet and get to ENW's body with the slice alone, like Darkshine did. But he didn't.
Also, AS has shown that he can cut through energy. Homeless Emperor's balls were split in half after AS cut them. If he had the same AP as Darkshine, the water jet would have been sliced as well.
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Murata's statements are treated as "possibly". There is an in-canon statement explicitly saying that Bang and Bomb are equals, not one superior to the other
The one area where Murata's statement is actually supported is when a holding-back Young Bomb curbstomped a bloodlusted/serious Young Bang
The one area where Murata's statement is actually supported is when a holding-back Young Bomb curbstomped a bloodlusted/serious Young Bang
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No offense, but did you ignore what I said about Fubuki?
Also, them performing their techniques simultaneously and in perfect syncronization should tell us something.
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Why would he be able to slice natural water from that far away.
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That depends on the AB multiplier, which is very hard to guess actually. On the one side, as we established earlier:
*I argue Darkshine is stronger than before because, despite having fought Bang in the past, he has continued training non stop, and he also stated that he is looking for a competitive fight (although this could be because no one has been able to damage him).
base Bang's AP < weaker Darkshine's durability < current Darkshine's durability < (one shot) Golden Sperm < (implied one shot level) Platinum Sperm = around Awakening Breath Bang.
This implies AB Bang is a one shot level above base Bang. However, this is only if you agree that PS is stronger than GS (I do, btw) , and that AB Bang is relative to PS (Garou could have gotten stronger after waking up/ taking damage). But, is AB Bang actually a one shot level above his regular self? Let's look at the evidence:
- Garou evolves massively against Orochi, to the point that he can tank attacks (Orochi's punch) stronger (presumably, because Orochi is trying harder and trying new techniques) than initial attacks (horns) that put holes in his body, and so fast that he went from having trouble and getting tagged by one horn, to doding all 8 horns almost simultaneously. After evolving so much, he decides to use an imperfect version of Awakening Breath on Orochi. The main point here is that he thought that he could get the job done with AB, although he could have kept evolving at an impressive pace. This would grant imperfect AB a boost higher than Garou's reactive evlolution during the Orochi fight.
- Asleep Garou uses imperfect AB on Darkshine and his strength doesn't seem to change much after waking up (assuming he lost it when he woke up).
- Garou uses imperfect AB against the A class squad in the forest, and he gets better but his durability and AP don't seem to change much, just his coordination and cognitive ability to turn the fight upside down.
- AB Bang clashes briefly with Garou (who just overcame a weakened Bomb, who should be relative to base Bang according to Fubuki). Not only that, but when Garou starts using perfect AB as well, his strength doesn't seem to vary, he even overcomes AB Garou while he didn't deal damage to a non AB Garou.
All in all, AB has many different interpretations, is extremely inconsistent, and as such such be examined more deeply.
You can't compare Superalloy Missile and Beeline Slash. Jetrochi's body literally morphs, it can change its shape continuously and even if it couldn't, it would be very hard to determine whether being cut in half is worse than being kicked out of the fusion/ being squashed, etc. Bang and Bomb together, who we established as higher in AP than Darkshine, perform their combined strongest technique on Goo Orochi and the visible damage is either hard to compare to the other heroes' attack, or less effective. That would be a contradiction unless we face the reality that Orochi's body is constantly changing size and form.
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Because he has the range. He is able to cut rocks that are far away from him when facing BS, and he also cuts G5's laser from a considerable distance with his air slash, which is literally him cutting the air with his normal slash.
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Or maybe he just knew that cutting something made of water would be completely useless
which is basically what he says when he’s talking about it.
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Murata just dmed me this
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You don't seem to understand that ENW's jets are attacks that can be interacted with physically. I am not talking about AS splitting ENW's main body. I am talking about him being unable to split a jet which is much more condensated than a still water body. AS literally cut throught light, energy from HE and energy from Psykorochi coming at him. Darkshine and Garou have both split those jets, a slightly more narrow surface area is not going to make it impossible for AS to cut through the jets.Or maybe he just knew that cutting something made of water would be completely useless
which is basically what he says when he’s talking about it.
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He did cut the jet though?
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Tbf everyone was beating the hell out of that thing
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Oh I didn't even register what you said about Fubuki.
Now that I have looked at it I don't think her opinion about their relative strength means anything, she made that statement and then later thought she'd be able to marginally contribute to Bomb vs Garou and was shocked when she couldn't perceive the fight. This is also the same person who thought Saitama was way weaker than Amai Mask after he bodied Sonic by basically just standing there.
In other words, she still had no idea how strong Bomb was at that point in time and definitely wouldn't be in a position to notice a x2 or x3 AP difference.
I don't think being able to perform combo moves means their AP is inherently equal. There could be many other factors that go into combos like Roaring Aura and Cross Fang like technique style, skill or even Ki Bs after Nichirin's comments
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He doesn't. They are three different jets, it's not a big jet that has been split. Even the way AS moves his arm makes it impossible.
And even if he did, it wouldn't be as deep as Darkshine's split so it's irrelevant.
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sonic more relevant than tatsumaki and fubuki???
never.
