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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Phoenks said:
Well, just waiting for calculations now.

Sandbox is finished, I think? Anything else that should be added or changed?
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So here is the ping pong calc for Saitama speed, I think Garou with Mode Saitama should scale to it as base Cosmic Garou was getting completely blitzed.

Also shouldn't Saitama have far higher with Accelerated development in all of his stats? He scales ridiculously high above the 4-A feat when it kicks in.
 
Recon1511 said:
So here is the ping pong calc for Saitama speed, I think Garou with Mode Saitama should scale to it as base Cosmic Garou was getting completely blitzed.

Also shouldn't Saitama have far higher with Accelerated development in all of his stats? He scales ridiculously high above the 4-A feat when it kicks in.
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Yes. He does. And thanks, looks like it needs to be accepted, though.
 
By the way could we switch back to the conventional way of listing abilities for Saitama's page. It looks so weird rn because of the bullet points tbh.
 
@Therefir @KLOL506 what do you guys think of the timeframe used in this calculation?

Personally, I actually think he should at the very least be able to react at those times since he did against Platinum Sperm and greatly evolved since then.
So I have no problem with it.
 
Phoenks said:
Well, just waiting for calculations now.

Sandbox is finished, I think? Anything else that should be added or changed?
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Why is Garou's durability scaling to 4-A all together? I assume this is a mistake since you have Blast harming Garou, yet he isn't 4-A.

Garou's durability without a doubt increases when using his power mimicry, so Garou only withstood the 4-A stuff when his AP became 4-A as well.

Also no one has giving me an actual answer about using the inverse square law to find Blast's durability. Since he was inside the portal/gate thing as well, and was sent flying away by the power of the serious punch^2. The serious punch explosion yield is 1.1178994e+65 Joules.

I got the distance between Blast and the center of the serious punch^2 to be 3.894 m.

(1.1178994e+65)/(4pi((3.894)^2)) = 5.8667957e62 Joules per m^2

Using the average Cross Section Area of a human, which is 0.68 m^2.

Blast Durability = 5.8667957e62 x 0.68 = 3.98942108e62 Joules (IDK how to translate this to TeraFoe or whatever)

But I can say he is still scaling vastly below Saitama and Garou in this moment, his durability is only scaling to 0.35% the original explosion yield.

He's scaling to less than 1% of that power.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Why is Garou's durability scaling to 4-A all together?
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He was literally at the epicenter of the collision and took no damage.

As for Blast scaling, hm. I might actually just remove that bit now that you mention it. It doesn't really make sense, and he probably didn't really hurt Garou.
 
Phoenks said:
He was literally at the epicenter of the collision and took no damage.
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Yeah and he was using his power mimicry (Mode: Saitama). He should be 4-A with power mimicry. Why is his standard base durability 4-A?

Are we saying his attack potency increasing from 5-A/High 4-C with power mimicry is fine, but his durability can't do that?

Blast's AP doesn't scale to anything if he doesn't scale to Garou. He'd be Unknown, 4-A with Spatial Manipulation. Going by your sandbox.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Yeah and he was using his power mimicry (Mode: Saitama). He should be 4-A with power mimicry. Why is his standard base durability 4-A?
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When he went out of Mode: Saitama he was still taking Serious Punches to the face, which managed to match his Mode: Saitama as well.
 
Phoenks said:
When he went out of Mode: Saitama he was still taking Serious Punches to the face, which managed to match his Mode: Saitama as well.
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And? The profile is meant to show Garou going from his initial 5-A/High 4-C, up to his 4-A stats later on right?

Is that not how we're labeling Garou? Are we just ignoring his initial strength when he appeared and only using his end of fight stuff?

Are we saying he gets weaker if he isn't in Mode Saitama or doing that power mimicry? I don't agree with that.
 
Are you saying that he evolves to 4-A in base durability after copying Saitama the first time??

Basically...

Saitama's Serious Punches are 4-A. Base Garou (Without mimicry) was able to tank multiple of those, which is why I listed him at 4-A durability regardless.
 
Phoenks said:
Btw... for the scaling...

1.11 Kilofoe = Serious Punch^2 <<< Base Awakened Garou's Durability (Completely no-sells the Serious Punch^2) < Base Saitama's Strength (Drew blood from Garou. Garou believed he had to copy Saitama to win the fight, inferring that he was still way beyond his level)

After that, they basically just go off the charts. So scaling is weird, lol. Don't take it too seriously.

<<< Evolved Awakened Garou (Grew exponentially from before on a graph where his previous strength was 0) <<< Evolved Saitama (Stomped Evolved Awakened Garou and evolved far beyond him. One-shot Base Awakened Garou with a casual punch)
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I'm pretty sure Garou's Dura should be at most 4-A considering he was still getting wrecked.

Blast would also scale to At most 4-A from this, and so does normal cosmic Garou
 
So we are saying Garou loses all of the copied stats when not using Mode Saitama/Power Mimicry? Where was that stated and why is that even a thing?

That is a very big weakness. Actually why is Garou trying to attack Saitama without using Mode Saitama if that is the case? He should know that without his power mimicry he is many, many, times weaker if we go by this logic. Yet he is still confused when Saitama is still stronger than him.

Him taking those Serious Punches without having Mode Saitama on should be proof that the stat boost is permanent. Since even without Mode Saitama he is taking those hits. Why are we just assuming his natural durability before he uses power mimicry had to be that high from the very beginning?

The power mimicry is a permanent boost to his abilities. I don't see why we're saying it's temporary, despite nothing stating that.

He even states he refines the power he copies.

Garou started out at 5-A/High 4-C, and jumped up to 4-A after copying Saitama's Serious Punch.

That is what I was assuming we were going for.
 
I see. In that case, I'll change it to reflect that.
 
Phoenks said:
Sandbox is finished, I think? Anything else that should be added or changed
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Io is colder than negative 100 Celcius and has an extremely poisonous atmosphere. That should give resistance to extreme cold and poison.

Saitama also shows energy projection when copying MCGSF. It can be argued that MCGSF gives access to its base components which would give Attack Reflection, Statistics Amplification, and Air Manipulation. (At least as "possibly")

During the time travel scene they blatantly show subatomic matter manipulation and anti-matter manipulation.

Saitama should have limited reality warping via upscaling from Garou.

Serious Table Flip should grant limited sense manipulation

If we treat Gravity Knuckles as gravity manipulation, then Saitama has resistance to gravity manipulation.

Blast should have limited sealing since he tried to trap Garou in his portals. There is also dimensional seal stuff.

Btw since Saitama's AD can be sped by intense emotions would it mean he can use rage power?
 
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Saitama should be choking on that atmosphere as well given there's no oxygen , so what does that give him in terms of breathing?
 
Phoenks said:
Btw... for the scaling...

1.11 Kilofoe = Serious Punch^2 <<< Base Awakened Garou's Durability (Completely no-sells the Serious Punch^2)
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I don't think so. Saying Awakened Garou is base at that point wouldn't make any sense since in that instance the whole point of getting Saitama mad was so he can copy Saitama's full power so he can win against Blast.
Coomandar said:
which feat???????
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Remember Garou made a gamma ray burst and Blast was probably referring to his higher dimensional and spatial manipulation (hyperspace gates) when he was making that quotation.

Also, he did manage to control Serious Punch squared energy without any of his usual abilities with help.
 
Phoenks said:
It's just some pseudo-science shenanigans Murata put in to make it sound cool, just like the whole "Reversal of Causality" shit.

Though it could probably give Saitama very limited Subatomic Matter Manipulation.
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I think it might be subatomic body control since he's doing it to his own molecules
 
Phoenks said:
It's just some pseudo-science shenanigans Murata put in to make it sound cool, just like the whole "Reversal of Causality" shit.

Though it could probably give Saitama very limited Subatomic Matter Manipulation.
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Garou also did help with Saitama in that regard
 
Tural2004 said:
Saitama should have limited reality warping via upscaling from Garou.
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Not really. Garou just wanted Saitama to copy God's divine power, which is energy manipulation.
Tural2004 said:
If we treat Gravity Knuckles as gravity manipulation, then Saitama has resistance to gravity manipulation.
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I disagree. There's no evidence his tanking of it was due to any degree of innate resistance to gravity manipulation specifically especially as he was being knocked around during that combo.
Tural2004 said:
Btw since Saitama's AD can be sped by intense emotions would it mean he can use rage power?
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Saitama's AD also depends on there being a comparable opponent though, so just being angry supposedly isn't enough.

I agree with everything else though.
 
Shouldn't Garou and Saitama be straight up Massively FTL+?

Also Blast didn't react to the explosion. He reacted before Saitama and Garou clashed with one another.
 
Why limited reality manipulation?
Also, why not manipulation of causality, if it was specifically said that the causality was reversed (literally it is not time travel, it was specifically the causality that was mentioned)
And by the way, how much evidence is there of universal
 
Alexander said:
Also, why not manipulation of causality, if it was specifically said that the causality was reversed (literally it is not time travel, it was specifically the causality that was mentioned)
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Because it's literally just a time travel feat and the causality part is simply flowery language.

Alexander said:
And by the way, how much evidence is there of universal
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None.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Because it's literally just a time travel feat and the causality part is simply flowery language.


None.
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1. Why should it be Florean language? Why this time? Why was it not shown the other times?
2. Sure? Because I don't trust people who tell me that and don't show
 
Alexander said:
1. Why should it be Florean language? Why this time? Why was it not shown the other times?
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Because as we are shown. Saitama merely reverses time and goes into whatever point of time he wants to enter. That's simply time travel and the feat has nothing to do with Causality Manipulation.

It's called "reversal of Causality" because Saitama went back in time and prevented the future events from happening.

Alexander said:
2. Sure? Because I don't trust people who tell me that and don't show
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Because what is there to show? There's no universal feat neither do any evidence for it exist. End of story
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Because as we are shown. Saitama merely reverses time and goes into whatever point of time he wants to enter. That's simply time travel and the feat has nothing to do with Causality Manipulation.

It's called "reversal of Causality" because Saitama went back in time and prevented the future events from happening.


Because what is there to show? There's no universal feat neither do any evidence for it exist. End of story
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1.ok
2. why does it have to be specifically a feat all the time? because it can't be the staments or something like that, not always the feat,because the feat is more powerful than the stament of someone
 
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