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Can we upscale dragons to balding Saitama in speed? Before the Tatsumaki feat his best feat was oneshotting a demon.
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Wasn't there completely balded, while when he survived Tatsumaki's attacks he was a Kappa?
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Yeah, and tbh do we know where it takes place when Saitama had a bad tooth?
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Saitama had a bad tooth? I didn't know
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Was a “cavity” supposedly but that’s what removed his limiter after it was knocked out.
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Yeah he fought a monster who knocked his tooth out then he one shotted him.
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You mean this? It's stated it happened on his 300th day
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Ah so year one, so the speed feat happens a little over half a year later. Darn.
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How do we know that he couldn't one-shot Dragons at that point?
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Because he never has. He would upscale from demons, the same way Garou did after one-shotting Royal Ripper.
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That's it. Since we don't know if he could or couldn't one-shot them, they shouldn't scale to or above him.
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He would scale to Low 7-B, just like Garou did.
People who have actual feats on characters stronger than demon lvl fighters, like dragon lvl fighters, would scale above him.
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We don't know the limit of his strength, so I don't understand how Dragons scale to or above him. If there's evidence that haired Saitama only capped at Demon-level, then maybe.
That feat is also LS or FTL (if we don't treat that as gag). That would be an outlier to scale Dragons to him in speed, anyway.
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You can say that for any character tbh. We don't know how strong phoenixman actually was, or Gouketsu. So we use their feats and scaling to give a baseline.
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Well he only caved its face in, Genos almost split a high demon in half in 1 shot.
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Heard the feat was calced at Relativistic. Also yeah if there’s no evidence anyone scales this is only applying to Saitama.
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It's definitely not a gag, it's the sole focus of the entire bonus chapter. Also, weren't people saying the feat is at least 0.38c?
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Forget about the speed feat, the most important question now is Saitama buffer than ******* Toji from jjk?
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Assuming he's 1m away from the mirror and if light moves at 3x108 m/s, then it takes 0.66x10-8 seconds for the light to make a round trip from the back of his head.
Average human head circumference is 57cm according to Google, so in order to be able to see the reflection (assuming a spherical head that rotates on the spot and makes a half circle) saitama's eyes would travel a distance of 0.285m in not more than 0.66x10-8s
That puts his minimum speed at 4.275x10-7 m/s. About 14.25% light speed.
Bear in mind that's literally just to catch the back of his head at the moment he started turning. He'd have to go faster if he wanted to get a bit more of a glimpse of his head. Also I assumed his eyes travel the shortest distance possible.
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How “many”? All I recall is G4’s lasers and Awakened Cockroach’s boasting, both of which were considered invalid.
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There's an FTL Atomic Samurai calc, the Sol statements from AC, Orochi overcoming his precog, and Tatsumaki, AS, and Genos being able to react to a stronger Pskyo-Orochi.
Also, FF says that the 0.15C Ninjas Gale and Hellfire would be difficult (but not impossible) for the other S class to take down. It is pretty much impossible for a MHS+ character to beat a character hundreds of times faster than them like that.
Edit: They're only considered invalid because there was not enough evidence to prevent them from being outliers.
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In the case of Saitama it's different. He wasn't focused on the monster at all and made no effort. He was just in a rush.
His only objective was to reach the toilets of a nearby store. (Chapter here by the way)
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Casual Darkshine performed a similar feat with no effort, Genos also performed a similar feat, if not a more impressive feat. The Cicada monster was just an average demon level threat to our knowledge, while G4 was stated by Genos to be "at least Demon", meaning that G4 was on the higher end of the Demon spectrum, and G5 was even stronger than that.
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So just Genos and Atomic Samurai’s laser feats and scaling people to Awakened Cockroach’s statement.
It definitely is possible. Tatsumaki’s destructive capability and AoE attacks and Metal Bat’s Tier 6/FTL Stat-amping could feasibly defeat the Ninja duo.
Regardless, this statement isn’t concrete enough for scaling.
That definitely wasn’t the only reason. G4/G5 don’t fulfill our criteria for lasers to be considered lightspeed and Awakened Cockroach’s statement is dismissed as aimdodging/Precognition that doesn’t reflect his reaction speed.
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I'm talking about Garou oneshoting Royal ripper
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I'm still waiting for an answer for this question.
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Those are some pretty solid feats. And that list isn't including the new Saitama calc.
Metal Bat would get decapitated instantly, same with Tatsumaki. He said that they would have a tough time, not that 90% of them would be instantly evicerated.
Modern day humans have managed to make light bend. It's an outdated criteria, especially seeing as the enemy launching them is a machine.
Yeah, Cockroach can aimdodge lightspeed attacks, so for Orochi to hit him with horn attack moving in a straight line, Orochi would have to be moving at FTL speeds.
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I'm just giving more examples.
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If that demon reacted to Saitama then it could provide a scaling chain.
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Are we talking about using certain pieces of equipment or media for light propagation along the trajectory of a light beam to make it bend or are we talking about changing the nature of the light beam itself, so that it bends towards a desired direction on its own?
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We have caused the bright beam of light that we see to curve up to like 60 degrees, but it's possible to have a larger angle bend. It drops off in power like 60% or something, and on a physics level the light isn't bending, but internal refraction is being used to create the bending effect.
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We have managed to make a light beam bend purely using a mechanism at the origin of the light beam without anything else along the path of said light beam?
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In Power or "Velocity"?
I'll ask because I know that refraction index can cause light to bend, slow down and lose lots of velocity.
And that's a "bright beam of light" doesn't hold any power. But It does hold momentum. Light in itself doesn't produce nor carry energy, but the laser does. (Hence why their velocity is lower)
Light in a vacuum : 299 792 458 m / s (1 c)
Light in Earth's atmosphere : 299 702 547 m / s (99.97% c)
Light in water : 225 317 952 m / s (75.15% c)
Laser (man-made in a vacuum) : 299 790 000 m / s (99.99918% c)
This video explains simply and quickly :
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My main issue with scaling Dragon's to Saitama has nothing to do with his Cicada feat, it's that there is no reason to assume they're as fast or faster than Saitama even if they have a similar or higher degree of power.
This isn't Dragon Ball, where power and speed scale linearly to each other. OPM characters can have extremely varying levels of power and speed. Sonic was blitzing DSK, but without equipment, he can't visibly damage him at all. A Dragon isn't faster than a Demon by default just because of their threat levels. A Monster being stronger than balding Saitama doesn't mean they're faster, and even then, nothing proves Saitama is weaker than any Dragon's. He has literally no in-universe scaling to those Dragon's at all. Saying they're overall stronger in versus debates and such because they have better feats is fine, but that doesn't mean we can actually up-scale them from Saitama in any way. Trying to up-scale characters from other characters, who they don't have any actual scaling to throughout the whole franchise (essentially just basing it on their personal feats), is a little ridiculous, to be honest.
As much as I'd love to scale someone to this feat Saitama performed, it's not possible. The only one who scales to it is Saitama himself. Maybe through some convoluted argument I could make a case for Boros or Garou scaling to it, but it'd never make it through I imagine, and they don't need it anyways. It's just good that we have confirmation for balding Saitama being relativistic in speed, but having trouble performing the feat, which can actually be used as another argument against the people that say he's "unbeatable" or outright "omnipotent".
This isn't Dragon Ball, where power and speed scale linearly to each other. OPM characters can have extremely varying levels of power and speed. Sonic was blitzing DSK, but without equipment, he can't visibly damage him at all. A Dragon isn't faster than a Demon by default just because of their threat levels. A Monster being stronger than balding Saitama doesn't mean they're faster, and even then, nothing proves Saitama is weaker than any Dragon's. He has literally no in-universe scaling to those Dragon's at all. Saying they're overall stronger in versus debates and such because they have better feats is fine, but that doesn't mean we can actually up-scale them from Saitama in any way. Trying to up-scale characters from other characters, who they don't have any actual scaling to throughout the whole franchise (essentially just basing it on their personal feats), is a little ridiculous, to be honest.
As much as I'd love to scale someone to this feat Saitama performed, it's not possible. The only one who scales to it is Saitama himself. Maybe through some convoluted argument I could make a case for Boros or Garou scaling to it, but it'd never make it through I imagine, and they don't need it anyways. It's just good that we have confirmation for balding Saitama being relativistic in speed, but having trouble performing the feat, which can actually be used as another argument against the people that say he's "unbeatable" or outright "omnipotent".
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