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[NikHelton]

The fact that Homeless was in shock at the moment of hitting the sphere already hints that AS overcame the power of this.
If AS needed many hits to destroy the orb, he wouldn't be able to get through it easily and without damage at the time of the first hit. A lot of cuts are the result of his style.

Moreover, I re-read the chapters now and noticed that those remaining 34 cuts came from the center, which means that either AS scaled up to her physically, or suppressed all the energy with the first attack.

 

[ByAsura]

Or that he’s surprised he’s jumping into the sphere and attacking it directly, like Iaian and Sping. It’s not stated or shown that HE, Iaian and Spring Mustachio can sense power.

All he needs to be is some amount stronger than 1/35th. And his combined style makes the orb explode.

Why? Please explain your logic?

 

[King]

It takes all of his cuts normally to make people explode into gore rather than just bisecting them, which takes more energy overall. I don’t see why it’s so unreasonable to assume that he simply cut through the orb until it exploded, which we see happen in the panel.

He and GS do scale above 1/35th already, what your logic absolutely does not, under any conditions, show is that he somehow scales to the full energy of an orb he didn’t destroy with one attack.

Because it isn’t shown to be, and it takes 35 blows in the first place for it to even explode.

Why would him being able to manipulate his orbs mean he’s shifting all of its durability to a single place? We’ve never seen that facet of his powers, and it isn’t consistent with the explosion being omnidirectional.

When? Isn’t it typically both unless he’s using them to block far, far inferior projectiles?

It exploded against AS and Child Empeor, so no. It is basically always an explosion.

It’s probably not that hard. Just get stronger points.

Ok, how about this. AS slashes it thirty-five times , the orb gets fragmented and flies off into a thousand pieces. How? Isn't that overkill just like the other cases of Atomic Slash? He didn't need to slash 35 times to make it explode, the orb would have exploded either way. Instead, he dispersed and slashed it into a multiple segments. He always cuts characters into multiple pieces, we don't use this logic those times so why the orb be the special case?

Another evidence or simple scaling. Swords men in Anime and Manga are scaled upon their ability to cut opponents of a certain durability right?
Like see it this way. Character A has High 7 A AP so his durability scales to that. Swordsman appears and cuts up character A. So wouldn't swordsman also scale to character A? In theory it would always take less energy to just cut up character A than completely explode him but we still scale swordsman to character A, don't we?

Ummm...the vaped crater definitely wasn't the work of an exploding orb but rather a focused attack.

my points are strong enough and I have faith and definitely enough logic to back it up as well. They don't need to be affirmed by just you to be correct.

 

[King]

I don't' wanna argue more on this. if NikHelton wants to create a CRT on this, then he can and I'll be one of the supporters. That's it.

 

[ByAsura]

Ok, how about this. AS slashes it thirty-five times , the orb gets fragmented and flies off into a thousand pieces. How?

There’s not a thousand fragments, though. And those little particles could easily be from the explosion, since his orbs against Tats are the same colour.

Isn't that overkill just like the other cases of Atomic Slash?

It’s an astronomically different case when the overkill is what causes the orb to explode fully. For the last time, when AS cuts something what happens? They’re split apart and then they explode to pieces? All of those pieces exploding apart objectively takes more energy than just the individual slices.

He didn't need to slash 35 times to make it explode, the orb would have exploded either way.

That’s what happens, though. So I’m not taking your word for it.

Instead, he dispersed and slashed it into a multiple segments. He always cuts characters into multiple pieces, we don't use this logic those times so why the orb be the special case?

Because it only disperses after 35, and we don’t have evidence that the durability of a section of the orb scales to its full energy.

Like see it this way. Character A has High 7 A AP so his durability scales to that. Swordsman appears and cuts up character A. So wouldn't swordsman also scale to character A? In theory it would always take less energy to just cut up character A than completely explode him but we still scale swordsman to character A, don't we?

Because characters don’t scale to the energy needed to explode them in the first place. They scale to their ability to withstand attacks. What we don’t do is use that durability to calc-stack upwards for characters who obliterate them.

Edit: I should be clear, I’m not accusing you of calc stacking upwards.

Let’s put it this way. If a character smashes a concrete pillar with 35 blows, are they capable of destroying the pillar with 1?

Ummm...the vaped crater definitely wasn't the work of an exploding orb but rather a focused attack.

We literally see an explosion.

my points are strong enough and I have faith and definitely enough logic to back it up as well. They don't need to be affirmed by just you to be correct.

Your points are terrible. A biased evaluation is a biased evaluation.

 

[NikHelton]

Doesn't the fact that the sphere broke up into fragments, which, apparently, even have some mass (the way they are carried by the wind and they slowly fall), does not mean that the spheres have a solid energy shell?

 

[ByAsura]

Even if they weren’t from the explosion itself rather than tiny cut slivers that we don’t see AS make, what relevance does that have?

 

[ImposingTiger]

If a character smashes a concrete pillar with 35 blows, are they capable of destroying the pillar with 1?

The character can be capable of dealing damage even if the pillar isn't destroyed, because, as you said, someone's durability isn't defined as the amount of energy it takes for them to explode. If HE didn't have his own feats, he would scale above Fuhrer Ugly because he was harming him with his spheres. He wasn't making FU explode, but he still would scale because of the damage delivered.

That said, it is impossible to know if AS dealt significant "damage" (I wonder if you can do that to energy) to the second orb with his initial slash.

 

[King]

There’s not a thousand fragments, though. And those little particles could easily be from the explosion, since his orbs against Tats are the same colour.

It’s an astronomically different case when the overkill is what causes the orb to explode fully. For the last time, when AS cuts something what happens? They’re split apart and then they explode to pieces? All of those pieces exploding apart objectively takes more energy than just the individual slices.

That’s what happens, though. So I’m not taking your word for it.

Because it only disperses after 35, and we don’t have evidence that the durability of a section of the orb scales to its full energy.

Because characters don’t scale to the energy needed to explode them in the first place. They scale to their ability to withstand attacks. What we don’t do is use that durability to calc-stack upwards for characters who obliterate them.

Let’s put it this way. If a character smashes a concrete pillar with 35 blows, are they capable of destroying the pillar with 1?

We literally see an explosion.

Your points are terrible. A biased evaluation is a biased evaluation.

Rhino Wrestler, search up his images. . AS cut him and he exploded into multiple portions. That way AS downscales from Rhino Wrestler. The way you're using your logic, it would take exactly a hundred cuts to kill rhino wrestler.

Then Homeless' smaller orbs are also 7 A . AS took more slashes to cut up less number of orbs.

No, if I absolutely annihilate the pillar (which is far more than just breaking it) with 35 slashes, should I scale to it or not?

I am biased and you are justice incarnate.

 

[ByAsura]

Rhino Wrestler, search up his images. . AS cut him and he exploded into multiple portions. That way AS downscales from Rhino Wrestler. The way you're using your logic, it would take exactly a hundred cuts to kill rhino wrestler.

That’s not my logic at all. Please read the point about someone exploding utterly not scaling to their actual durability.

Then Homeless' smaller orbs are also 7 A . AS took more slashes to cut up less number of orbs.

AS took a single slash to burst those orbs, and they were individual orbs so they have no reason to scale.

No, if I absolutely annihilate the pillar (which is far more than just breaking it) with 35 slashes, should I scale to it or not?

You should scale to the 1/35th of the value of annihilating it.

On the other hand, if the sword is cutting through something capable of taking Small Town level attacks, it should be Small Town level. But that’s not shown to the case with HE’s orb, where the entire energy is released with its explosion.

I am biased and you are justice incarnate.

That is correct.

In all seriousness, I was just saying a self-evaluation isn’t objective.

The character can be capable of dealing damage even if the pillar isn't destroyed, because, as you said, someone's durability isn't defined as the amount of energy it takes for them to explode. If HE didn't have his own feats, he would scale above Fuhrer Ugly because he was harming him with his spheres. He wasn't making FU explode, but he still would scale because of the damage delivered.

This would be an effective argument if we can confirm each slash area would be cutting through something as durable as the energy released by the entire orb.

 

[Kachon123]

Make a CRT.

 

[ByAsura]

At this point, it’s a good idea to make a CRT. I’m done with contesting this ‘logic’, so you’ll get it accepted if other people actually agree.

 

[King]

That’s not my logic at all. Please read the point about someone exploding utterly not scaling to their actual durability.

AS took a single slash to burst those orbs, and they were individual orbs so they have no reason to scale.

You should scale to the value of annihilating it via 35 slashes.

That is correct.

In all seriousness, I was saying a self-evaluation isn’t objective.

This would be an effective argument if we can confirm each slash area would be cutting through something as durable as the energy released by the entire orb.

Yes, their actual durability is far lower than the amount of power required to explode them. The orb's actual durability is lesser than the energy required to explode it completely.
So, it should stand like this: orb dura< energy req. to just cut it up into pieces<< energy req. to explode it<total yield
Literally nothing suggests that the orb's dura. is 35 times less than its AP. It is just an arbitrary division based on the number of slashes. Atomic should downscale but not be massively weaker like the case here.

 

[King]

At this point, it’s a good idea to make a CRT. I’m done with contesting this ‘logic’, so you’ll get it accepted if other people actually agree.

Yeah, I proposed it already. But I have more imp. things to do like making OPM 7 A calcs that get rejected. (Don't worry we'll get there one day. )

Sure, if someone else will be kind enough to do it and give a proper summary of points for both sides so that we don't argue much.

 

[ByAsura]

Yes, their actual durability is far lower than the amount of power required to explode them. The orb's actual durability is lesser than the energy required to explode it completely.
So, it should stand like this: orb dura< energy req. to just cut it up into pieces<< energy req. to explode it<total yield
Literally nothing suggests that the orb's dura. is 35 times less than its AP. It is just an arbitrary division based on the number of slashes. Atomic should downscale but not be massively weaker like the case here.

I really don’t see scaling how Atomic Samurai 1/35th lower via doing 35 slashes to make it explode is more arbitrary than claiming with no proof that the power needed to cut through the orb isn’t that far inferior to its total energy.

But whatever, to each his own.

 

[King]

Yeah, I proposed it already. But I have more imp. things to do like making OPM 7 A calcs that get rejected. (Don't worry we'll get there one day. )

Sure, if someone else will be kind enough to do it and give a proper summary of points for both sides so that we don't argue much.

I can actually list multiple calcs that got rejected. First one was rover's AP. I got High 7 A results with that one. But people were not sure whether the earthquake happened throughout the city or not. Despite the fact that the main part of the MA is in the centre of the city and the Ghost Town (where Saitama Lives) is towards the eastern edge. So, if even Saitama can feel the shaking then it should be obvious that the earthquake happened throughout the city. But alas.

The next one was using one of Rover's orbs. I got 7 A. But people said that Rover's orbs do not vaporize despite the fact that they completely erased Super Mouse from existence. So, that got rejected too. I proposed another method and we ended up with Small City Level Rover.

Next one was using Orochi's KE. I used density of muscle or something for his arm's weight. I was new back then, so didn't know better and it got rejected due to calc stacking.

Another one was using Elder centipede's carapace strength. Bang and Bomb got High 7 A yet again. But got rejected as even AP has calc stacking issues I guess. AND NOBODY BOTHERS TO UPDATE THAT PAGE DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT MAY CONFUSE NEWCOMERS! I SPENT TWO HOURS ON THAT CALC AND IT GOT REJECTED CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT! AAA!

 

[King]

I can actually list multiple calcs that got rejected. First one was rover's AP. I got High 7 A results with that one. But people were not sure whether the earthquake happened throughout the city or not. Despite the fact that the main part of the MA is in the centre of the city and the Ghost Town (where Saitama Lives) is towards the eastern edge. So, if even Saitama can feel the shaking then it should be obvious that the earthquake happened throughout the city. But alas.

The next one was using one of Rover's orbs. I got 7 A. But people said that Rover's orbs do not vaporize despite the fact that they completely erased Super Mouse from existence. So, that got rejected too. I proposed another method and we ended up with Small City Level Rover.

Next one was using Orochi's KE. I used density of muscle or something for his arm's weight. I was new back then, so didn't know better and it got rejected due to calc stacking.

Another one was using Elder centipede's carapace strength. Bang and Bomb got High 7 A yet again. But got rejected as even AP has calc stacking issues I guess. AND NOBODY BOTHERS TO UPDATE THAT PAGE DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT MAY CONFUSE NEWCOMERS! I SPENT TWO HOURS ON THAT CALC AND IT GOT REJECTED CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT! AAA!

BTW, I got one of my calcs accepted for MHA. And it downgrades the verse. I am scared of facing the opposition if I make a CRT.

 

[ByAsura]

What part of the verse does it downgrade?

 

[King]

What part of the verse does it downgrade?

Ummm... the top of the verse. It downgrades 100 percent Bakugo as his strongest Explosion +OFA blast is 4.7 times weaker than the cloud explosion. There is a reason why I haven't said this in the MHA general discussion thread.

 

[King]

Ummm... the top of the verse. It downgrades 100 percent Bakugo as his strongest Explosion +OFA blast is 4.7 times weaker than the cloud explosion. There is a reason why I haven't said this in the MHA general discussion thread.

A request. Here is the calc. Can you make a CRT?

 

[Magmag]

BTW, I got one of my calcs accepted for MHA. And it downgrades the verse. I am scared of facing the opposition if I make a CRT.

It's alright just make the CRT and don't open vsbattles for a whole week

 

[Magmag]

A request. Here is the calc. Can you make a CRT?

Doesn't open for me.
Nvm***

 

[King]

It's alright just make the CRT and don't open vsbattles for a whole week

Ok, guess what needs to be done. needs to be done. People will chew me up now. They are patiently waiting for newer feats and then I'll just flip that up now I guess.

 

[Tural2004]

I have a question. If AG and Boros are reconfirmed to be comparable in strength, will ONE's old statement about them be usable?

 

[ByAsura]

A request. Here is the calc. Can you make a CRT?

I’d do it, but I haven’t even watched the film.

I got bored with MHA around the time Re-Destro stopped being a villain, but I occasionally check in every now and then.

 

[Magmag]

I have a question. If AG and Boros are reconfirmed to be comparable in strength, will ONE's old statement about them be usable?

what old statement?

 

[Magmag]

Ok, guess what needs to be done. needs to be done. People will chew me up now. They are patiently waiting for newer feats and then I'll just flip that up now I guess.

Good luck, i'll be the first to comment and agree with it (jk ain't tryna die)

 

[Tural2004]

what old statement?

Garou or Boros, who would win? Before, Boros was definitely the stronger one, but Garou is now a near-perfect monster. I don't really know. A good match . . . I do believe Garou is stronger in close combat where things like punches and kicks can generally be avoided.

 

[Magmag]

Garou or Boros, who would win? Before, Boros was definitely the stronger one, but Garou is now a near-perfect monster. I don't really know. A good match . . . I do believe Garou is stronger in close combat where things like punches and kicks can generally be avoided.

Well i mean you did say if he reconfirmed it, which would basically just toss the old statement aside since its the same exact thing.
And it can probs be used to webcomic scale.

 

[ByAsura]

I have a question. If AG and Boros are reconfirmed to be comparable in strength, will ONE's old statement about them be usable?

I don’t really see a point in using them at that stage.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Well i mean you did say if he reconfirmed it, which would basically just toss the old statement aside since its the same exact thing.
And it can probs be used to webcomic scale.

Not exactly, the old statement says more. Says Boros has better regen, and is superior in AP.

 

[Tural2004]

I said comparable in strength. But ONE's statement implies they have comparable speed as well

 

[Tural2004]

Says Boros has better regen, and is superior in AP.

When did he say that?

 

[Quangotjokes]

When did he say that?

 

[Magmag]

Not exactly, the old statement says more. Says Boros has better regen, and is superior in AP.

Well i meant like the old statement is used but the official evidence is to use a recent statement.

 

[King]

Disregarding what their vs wiki statistics say and using my own scaling, ONE 's statement might still work. Garou has massive advantages in martial skill, speed and agility whereas Boros has massive raw power and haxy regeneration. We currently don't have any good AP feats for Garou right now, but the fight isn't one-sided as most might think. Garou gets stomped by Meteoric Burst though(right now in the manga).

 

[Magmag]

Disregarding what their vs wiki statistics say and using my own scaling, ONE 's statement might still work. Garou has massive advantages in martial skill, speed and agility whereas Boros has massive raw power and haxy regeneration. We currently don't have any good AP feats for Garou right now, but the fight isn't one-sided as most might think. Garou gets stomped by Meteoric Burst though(right now in the manga).

We gonna disregard Garou’s regen in the WC

 

[ImposingTiger]

I hate that people don't bring up the full statement. They only show the part where ONE may imply Garou would be the victor.

 

[King]

We gonna disregard Garou’s regen in the WC

I used manga profiles. That's why I said it's undeterminable how close they might be in power. Garou might be anywhere between 7 A and 6 A and we have literally no way of telling. Only thing we know right now is he has the fastest speed feat in the entire series.

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Boop bip, the hell is goin on