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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Lightning_XXI said:
"She traded places while the light hid her"

No wonder they couldn't see it, but more importantly, Bang is only Likely Relativistic+ with Awakening Breath, Base Bang (The one in question here) is Massively Hypersonic
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The light only hid her trading places. She still blitzed her way to Bang’s location with no one seeing her until she was already there.

Does Awakening Breath increase reaction time? When was that said??

Even so, Bomb can react to their fight just fine. No issues.

”But reacting is easier when they’re far awa—“

They were, like, 10 steps away and he was giving a play-by-play of their fight. He scales too and he doesn’t have Awakening Breath.
 
Didn't the last chapter show that Garou became faster, stronger after each fight and even whilst fighting? Why are we still scaling Bang to Flash's speed despite it being implied that Blast, Garou, PS, and Saitama are the few individuals who have surpassed his speed. Bang is most likely not among those who can impress Flash with his speed.
Emirp sumitpo said:
Bomb fighting Garou is an outlier.
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Why though?
 
ByAsura said:
Garou fighting Bang is not an outlier. He just wasn't using Awakened Breath, and beat him without that much trouble anyway.

It's not stated that it increases strength or speed either, if you want to go by this logic.
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It “draws out the limits of one’s body”, but considering Bomb can watch the fight, it’s not that big a boost to reaction time, if any at all.

They just hit harder and MAY be faster. They can operate at 100% for longer times.
 
ByAsura said:
Seeing something and actively reacting to it are very different things.

I get that Bomb can keep up with Garou's movements, but what says he could intercept a blow from him? He couldn't at the end of their last fight.
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”Reacting to something isn’t reaction time”?

Bomb didn’t react to the last attack because he was going all out for that final attack, and was stunned when Garou completely negated it. He had nothing to fall back on.
 
Kin201 said:
Didn't the last chapter show that Garou became faster, stronger after each fight and even whilst fighting? Why are we still scaling Bang to Flash's speed despite it being implied that Blast, Garou, PS, and Saitama are the few individuals who have surpassed his speed. Bang is most likely not among those who can impress Flash with his speed.
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Giving Garou's feats against PS I'm inclined to agree here, Bang shouldn't scale, but for now he does and we'll need a CRT to change that

AtomicSekiro said:
The light only hid her trading places. She still blitzed her way to Bang’s location with no one seeing her until she was already there.

Does Awakening Breath increase reaction time? When was that said??

Even so, Bomb can react to their fight just fine. No issues.

”But reacting is easier when they’re far awa—“

They were, like, 10 steps away and he was giving a play-by-play of their fight. He scales too and he doesn’t have Awakening Breath.
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You can literally see Bang not having a good vision of the situation because of the light, using the fact that he couldn't react while part of his vision is blocked makes no sense, and yes, Awakening Breath increases his Reaction time, we don't need statements for that if the feats/scaling are there. He fought the Sleeping Garou that was already likely Relativistic+ while using Awakening Breath, so he scales
 
I said actively reacting, as in 'what says he could intercept a blow from him?'

Not just seeing them fight.

People can see a single frame in a video moving at 30 fps, but can they move away from a punch in that timeframe?
 
Bomb could also react to the same Bang and Garou, so clearly Awakening Breath doesn’t increase reaction time unless BASE BOMB is on the level of Awakening Breath Bang.

Awakening Breath just allows them to hit at 100% for a short duration.
 
ByAsura said:
I said actively reacting, as in 'what says he could intercept a blow from him?'

Not just seeing them fight.

People can see a single frame in a video moving at 30 fps, but can they move away from a punch in that timeframe?
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Yes, movement speed and reaction speed are diffferent things. Why are you explaining this?

But Bomb could still react to them. That wasn’t “blink and you’ll miss it”, he was literally doing a play-by-play of every move they made. He just couldn’t physically keep up in a fight, but his REACTION TIME is still up there with their movements.
 
ByAsura said:
You're missing the point so badly.

If Bang can block and stop moves that Bomb can't, his reaction time is clearly faster.
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And Bomb’s reaction time is still clearly enough to react to their movements. He just can’t keep up in physical speed.

Again, he literally gives a play-by-play.

If Bomb had awakening breath, his physical movements could most likely keep up with them. He literally fights Garou without it for a time.
 
ByAsura said:
Boi, you said 'Does Awakening Breath increase reaction time? When was that said??'

I'm showing you his reaction time is clearly increased.

I don't care about that other stuff.
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We do not know if his reaction time increased. We literally have no frame of reference or statement or guide or proof of that at all.

All we know is that it lets the user draw out their limits for a short time.

But the fact Bomb can keep up with Garou and Bang shows it doesn’t increase reaction time, just their physical speed, and not even by that much considering BOMB CAN WATCH WITH EASE.

Bomb and Bang are always portrayed as somewhat being equals, Bomb being way stronger in the past.

So there’s just no proof Awakening Breath increases reaction speed.
 
Tural2004 said:
I am not talking about the game. When Saitama uses Serious Punch against Boros only air pressure hits him. Since the shockwave was expanding what killed Boros was only a fraction of total power of the punch. I once tried to calculate it and Boros tanked like less than one ninetieth of the shockwave. Boros is low 5-B so Saitama could be around 5-B
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At a time when Boros was 800 teraton physically, and Serious Punch was 2.52 exaton, I decided to calculate the durability of Boros' body in terms of the fact that some part of his body survived the shock wave. I got that he took on 28.26 petatons. If done inversely with the level of a small planet, then Saitama would be the level of a Small Planet+, almost the level of a planet.
 
ByAsura said:
I don't give a damn that Bomb can watch with ease, HE CAN'T STOP GAROU'S ATTACKS ANYMORE, while Bang can stop attacks from a faster Garou.

His reaction time has increased, it's just that his speed hasn't gone beyond Bomb's ability to track their movements.
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Wait, maybe I have been mistaken this whole time, is reaction speed the same as dodging speed?

I can have a very good reaction speed but if my body can not keep up with the movements (despite seeing everything is happening) I would naturally not be able to dodge.
 
ImposingTiger said:
Wait, maybe I have been mistaken this whole time, is reaction speed the same as dodging speed?

I can have a very good reaction speed but if my body can not keep up with the movements (despite seeing everything is happening) I would naturally not be able to dodge.
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Yes. Going by the "Reactions" page:

"Reaction speed is defined as a single movement in a defined timeframe, which a character has been shown capable of. A series of movements in similar timeframes makes this combat speed, so this term should only be applied for a single, quick movement. Examples include ducking backwards to dodge bullets and diving away to dodge extremely fast vehicles."
 
Reaction time is the ability to respond to events or stimuli in a given period.

If you can see someone move, it's reaction speed, but dodging something is also reaction speed.

So Awakened Bang objectively has a higher reaction speed, but his movement speed doesn't surpass Bang's ability to see him, just his ability to dodge blows.
 
ByAsura said:
Reaction time is the ability to respond to events or stimuli in a given period.

If you can see someone move, it's reaction speed, but dodging something is also reaction speed.

So Awakened Bang objectively has a higher reaction speed, but his movement speed doesn't surpass Bang's ability to see him, just his ability to dodge blows.
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That makes sense considering Awakening Bang's speed is only Likely Relativistic+ in Combat and Reaction speed, not in Movement speed

Do we have a date for the next chapter ?
 
Does that mean humans have supersonic reaction speed since we can see objects moving at supersonic speeds as long as they are big enough?

Perception doesn't necessarily mean you could dodge something. That's where movement comes in and I'd call Perception + reacting to what you perceived by moving away, guarding, or counter-attacking = "reacting" but I guess that's not how it is defined.

Or is movement speed just relegated to the legs in how it's defined here and moving your arms or body in battle is not considered movement speed? It seems like only running is considered movement speed.
 
@DarthSpiderr
I can't leave comments under the blog from my phone, so I'll answer here.
It's not about the number of pixels in the size of the hole from which the lines are scaled.
The diameter of the hole in the first exploit is 74 pixels. In the second, it is equal to 331 pixels.

Nowhere was it said that the structure became larger in size. The only thing we know is that it has become denser.
 
These mental gymnastics about Bang scales to Relativistic+ (or above) Garou amazed me.

Not only that Garou was unconscious when he fought Bang and Bomb, at the time when he woke which is obviously... he goes much better than he was at his sleep (like when he was fighting against Darkshine), Murata also put a timer (that Subsonic Garou stuffs) which mostly likely a narrative depiction that he goes massively faster than before.

Garou left traces of light here and there when he 1vs1vs1 PS and FF, you know... where Relativistic+ Garou comes from. And nothing suggest that Garou was that fast when he battles the 2 martial artists.

Relativistic+ Bang sounds ******* weird and he definitely shouldn't be put at that level.
 
I have a question on espers and psychic powers: If charcater A has higher AP than character B, does that necessarily mean character A has superior speed compared to character B, given that the power is emanating from their minds, and thus should be the same as it is done with durability?
 
GreatIskandar14045 said:
These mental gymnastics about Bang scales to Relativistic+ (or above) Garou amazed me.

Not only that Garou was unconscious when he fought Bang and Bomb, at the time when he woke which is obviously... he goes much better than he was at his sleep (like when he was fighting against Darkshine), Murata also put a timer (that Subsonic Garou stuffs) which mostly likely a narrative depiction that he goes massively faster than before.

Garou left traces of light here and there when he 1vs1vs1 PS and FF, you know... where Relativistic+ Garou comes from. And nothing suggest that Garou was that fast when he battles the 2 martial artists.

Relativistic+ Bang sounds ******* weird and he definitely shouldn't be put at that level.
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That's the reason why he does not fully scale to Garou, only in combat and reaction speed, and again, he is only Likely Relativistic+

Anyway, I see people didn't reached a consensus about this, you should make a CRT, so we can wrap this up

Edit: @Kin201 I can do it, sure
 
ImposingTiger said:
I have a question on espers and psychic powers: If charcater A has higher AP than character B, does that necessarily mean character A has superior speed compared to character B, given that the power is emanating from their minds, and thus should be the same as it is done with durability?
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It’s unknown if psychic powers can enhance reaction time like how it enhances durability and strength.

The only way to find out would be using logic from Mob Psycho (made by ONE, but I assume that logic won’t work) or try and figure out if Bang and Bomb’s speed increased when Fubuki buffed them, also Tank Top.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
It’s unknown if psychic powers can enhance reaction time like how it enhances durability and strength.

The only way to find out would be using logic from Mob Psycho (made by ONE, but I assume that logic won’t work) or try and figure out if Bang and Bomb’s speed increased when Fubuki buffed them, also Tank Top.
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Tank Top Master's speed sure increased thanks to Fubuki's amp.

But that was not the question though. I wanted to know whether a psychic should be faster than another psychic just with the information that he is stronger and more durable than him. Do all stats grow accordingly in every user or are they independent?
 
ImposingTiger said:
Tank Top Master's speed sure increased thanks to Fubuki's amp.

But that was not the question though. I wanted to know whether a psychic should be faster than another psychic just with the information that he is stronger and more durable than him. Do all stats grow accordingly in every user or are they independent?
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There’s no reason to assume Psychic A wouldn’t be faster. It’s as simple as grabbing themself with their own power and throwing themself in a direction to fly. If they’re stronger, they’ll go faster.

Reaction speed is iffy tho.
 
ImposingTiger said:
Tank Top Master's speed sure increased thanks to Fubuki's amp.

But that was not the question though. I wanted to know whether a psychic should be faster than another psychic just with the information that he is stronger and more durable than him. Do all stats grow accordingly in every user or are they independent?
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I wouldn't say they are completely irrelevant but I also don't think they grow in perfect proportion

We know Tats is faster than Psykos who's faster than Fubuki, for example, but Tats gap in AP is far higher, while her speed, as far as we know, isn't that much higher

Basically, it's likely that a stronger esper is faster, but by how much is hard to know
 
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