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I said actively reacting, as in 'what says he could intercept a blow from him?'

Not just seeing them fight.

People can see a single frame in a video moving at 30 fps, but can they move away from a punch in that timeframe?
Yes, movement speed and reaction speed are diffferent things. Why are you explaining this?

But Bomb could still react to them. That wasn’t “blink and you’ll miss it”, he was literally doing a play-by-play of every move they made. He just couldn’t physically keep up in a fight, but his REACTION TIME is still up there with their movements.
 
You're missing the point so badly.

If Bang can block and stop moves that Bomb can't, his reaction time is clearly faster.
And Bomb’s reaction time is still clearly enough to react to their movements. He just can’t keep up in physical speed.

Again, he literally gives a play-by-play.

If Bomb had awakening breath, his physical movements could most likely keep up with them. He literally fights Garou without it for a time.
 
Boi, you said 'Does Awakening Breath increase reaction time? When was that said??'

I'm showing you his reaction time is clearly increased.

I don't care about that other stuff.
We do not know if his reaction time increased. We literally have no frame of reference or statement or guide or proof of that at all.

All we know is that it lets the user draw out their limits for a short time.

But the fact Bomb can keep up with Garou and Bang shows it doesn’t increase reaction time, just their physical speed, and not even by that much considering BOMB CAN WATCH WITH EASE.

Bomb and Bang are always portrayed as somewhat being equals, Bomb being way stronger in the past.

So there’s just no proof Awakening Breath increases reaction speed.
 
I don't give a damn that Bomb can watch with ease, HE CAN'T STOP GAROU'S ATTACKS ANYMORE, while Bang can stop attacks from a faster Garou.

His reaction time has increased, it's just that his speed hasn't gone beyond Bomb's ability to track their movements.
 
I am not talking about the game. When Saitama uses Serious Punch against Boros only air pressure hits him. Since the shockwave was expanding what killed Boros was only a fraction of total power of the punch. I once tried to calculate it and Boros tanked like less than one ninetieth of the shockwave. Boros is low 5-B so Saitama could be around 5-B
At a time when Boros was 800 teraton physically, and Serious Punch was 2.52 exaton, I decided to calculate the durability of Boros' body in terms of the fact that some part of his body survived the shock wave. I got that he took on 28.26 petatons. If done inversely with the level of a small planet, then Saitama would be the level of a Small Planet+, almost the level of a planet.
 
I don't give a damn that Bomb can watch with ease, HE CAN'T STOP GAROU'S ATTACKS ANYMORE, while Bang can stop attacks from a faster Garou.

His reaction time has increased, it's just that his speed hasn't gone beyond Bomb's ability to track their movements.
Wait, maybe I have been mistaken this whole time, is reaction speed the same as dodging speed?

I can have a very good reaction speed but if my body can not keep up with the movements (despite seeing everything is happening) I would naturally not be able to dodge.
 
Wait, maybe I have been mistaken this whole time, is reaction speed the same as dodging speed?

I can have a very good reaction speed but if my body can not keep up with the movements (despite seeing everything is happening) I would naturally not be able to dodge.
Yes. Going by the "Reactions" page:

"Reaction speed is defined as a single movement in a defined timeframe, which a character has been shown capable of. A series of movements in similar timeframes makes this combat speed, so this term should only be applied for a single, quick movement. Examples include ducking backwards to dodge bullets and diving away to dodge extremely fast vehicles."
 
Reaction time is the ability to respond to events or stimuli in a given period.

If you can see someone move, it's reaction speed, but dodging something is also reaction speed.

So Awakened Bang objectively has a higher reaction speed, but his movement speed doesn't surpass Bang's ability to see him, just his ability to dodge blows.
 
Reaction time is the ability to respond to events or stimuli in a given period.

If you can see someone move, it's reaction speed, but dodging something is also reaction speed.

So Awakened Bang objectively has a higher reaction speed, but his movement speed doesn't surpass Bang's ability to see him, just his ability to dodge blows.
That makes sense considering Awakening Bang's speed is only Likely Relativistic+ in Combat and Reaction speed, not in Movement speed

Do we have a date for the next chapter ?
 
Does that mean humans have supersonic reaction speed since we can see objects moving at supersonic speeds as long as they are big enough?

Perception doesn't necessarily mean you could dodge something. That's where movement comes in and I'd call Perception + reacting to what you perceived by moving away, guarding, or counter-attacking = "reacting" but I guess that's not how it is defined.

Or is movement speed just relegated to the legs in how it's defined here and moving your arms or body in battle is not considered movement speed? It seems like only running is considered movement speed.
 
@DarthSpiderr
I can't leave comments under the blog from my phone, so I'll answer here.
It's not about the number of pixels in the size of the hole from which the lines are scaled.
The diameter of the hole in the first exploit is 74 pixels. In the second, it is equal to 331 pixels.

Nowhere was it said that the structure became larger in size. The only thing we know is that it has become denser.
 
These mental gymnastics about Bang scales to Relativistic+ (or above) Garou amazed me.

Not only that Garou was unconscious when he fought Bang and Bomb, at the time when he woke which is obviously... he goes much better than he was at his sleep (like when he was fighting against Darkshine), Murata also put a timer (that Subsonic Garou stuffs) which mostly likely a narrative depiction that he goes massively faster than before.

Garou left traces of light here and there when he 1vs1vs1 PS and FF, you know... where Relativistic+ Garou comes from. And nothing suggest that Garou was that fast when he battles the 2 martial artists.

Relativistic+ Bang sounds ******* weird and he definitely shouldn't be put at that level.
 
I have a question on espers and psychic powers: If charcater A has higher AP than character B, does that necessarily mean character A has superior speed compared to character B, given that the power is emanating from their minds, and thus should be the same as it is done with durability?
 
These mental gymnastics about Bang scales to Relativistic+ (or above) Garou amazed me.

Not only that Garou was unconscious when he fought Bang and Bomb, at the time when he woke which is obviously... he goes much better than he was at his sleep (like when he was fighting against Darkshine), Murata also put a timer (that Subsonic Garou stuffs) which mostly likely a narrative depiction that he goes massively faster than before.

Garou left traces of light here and there when he 1vs1vs1 PS and FF, you know... where Relativistic+ Garou comes from. And nothing suggest that Garou was that fast when he battles the 2 martial artists.

Relativistic+ Bang sounds ******* weird and he definitely shouldn't be put at that level.
That's the reason why he does not fully scale to Garou, only in combat and reaction speed, and again, he is only Likely Relativistic+

Anyway, I see people didn't reached a consensus about this, you should make a CRT, so we can wrap this up

Edit: @Kin201 I can do it, sure
 
I have a question on espers and psychic powers: If charcater A has higher AP than character B, does that necessarily mean character A has superior speed compared to character B, given that the power is emanating from their minds, and thus should be the same as it is done with durability?
It’s unknown if psychic powers can enhance reaction time like how it enhances durability and strength.

The only way to find out would be using logic from Mob Psycho (made by ONE, but I assume that logic won’t work) or try and figure out if Bang and Bomb’s speed increased when Fubuki buffed them, also Tank Top.
 
It’s unknown if psychic powers can enhance reaction time like how it enhances durability and strength.

The only way to find out would be using logic from Mob Psycho (made by ONE, but I assume that logic won’t work) or try and figure out if Bang and Bomb’s speed increased when Fubuki buffed them, also Tank Top.
Tank Top Master's speed sure increased thanks to Fubuki's amp.

But that was not the question though. I wanted to know whether a psychic should be faster than another psychic just with the information that he is stronger and more durable than him. Do all stats grow accordingly in every user or are they independent?
 
Tank Top Master's speed sure increased thanks to Fubuki's amp.

But that was not the question though. I wanted to know whether a psychic should be faster than another psychic just with the information that he is stronger and more durable than him. Do all stats grow accordingly in every user or are they independent?
There’s no reason to assume Psychic A wouldn’t be faster. It’s as simple as grabbing themself with their own power and throwing themself in a direction to fly. If they’re stronger, they’ll go faster.

Reaction speed is iffy tho.
 
Tank Top Master's speed sure increased thanks to Fubuki's amp.

But that was not the question though. I wanted to know whether a psychic should be faster than another psychic just with the information that he is stronger and more durable than him. Do all stats grow accordingly in every user or are they independent?
I wouldn't say they are completely irrelevant but I also don't think they grow in perfect proportion

We know Tats is faster than Psykos who's faster than Fubuki, for example, but Tats gap in AP is far higher, while her speed, as far as we know, isn't that much higher

Basically, it's likely that a stronger esper is faster, but by how much is hard to know
 
Я думаю, вы не видели, что я сказал в начале предыдущей страницы.

Нет.
Why? The orb was destroyed by the first hit, and the remaining cuts are just a consequence of the AS style. Literally nothing tells us that he needs more than 1 hit to neutralize the orbs.

Moreover, given that the Homeless can block enemy attacks with spheres, such as Zombieman's bullets, it already makes it clear that slicing the sphere is an AP feat.
 
Why? The orb was destroyed by the first hit, and the remaining cuts are just a consequence of the AS style. Literally nothing tells us that he needs more than 1 hit to neutralize the orbs.
What 'literally nothing' actually tells us is that he only needed a single hit to make the orb explode. It's only shown to explode after 35 hits. Although his enemies are cut with a single strike, it's not like they're reduced to a shower of blood, which is a far superior action overall to simply cutting an enemy in half.
Moreover, given that the Homeless can block enemy attacks with spheres, such as Zombieman's bullets, it already makes it clear that slicing the sphere is an AP feat.
I'm not arguing that it isn't an AP feat, otherwise he wouldn't be scaled at all, more that nothing really tells us the cutting the orb is a comparable move to overpowering all the energy it produces while exploding. Energy density is a thing.
 
What 'literally nothing' actually tells us is that he only needed a single hit to make the orb explode. It's only shown to explode after 35 hits. Although his enemies are cut with a single strike, it's not like they're reduced to a shower of blood, which is a far superior action overall to simply cutting an enemy in half.

I'm not arguing that it isn't an AP feat, otherwise he wouldn't be scaled at all, more that nothing really tells us the cutting the orb is a comparable move to overpowering all the energy it produces while exploding. Energy density is a thing.
Since, NikHelton brought this up again. I kind of still disagree with you Asura. I agree that it exploded after 35 slashes but that is just the Atomic Slash's way of doing things. It literally means an overkill. Atomic Samurai has been shown multiple times to use thousands of cuts to annihilate his enemies. That doesn't mean that it would have taken a thousand cuts to negate the attack. His ability to cut up the orb multiple times with any apparent difficulty already shows that he scales far above just 1/35th of that energy.

And you have no reason to assume that it isn't equatable. Just cause it is an energy orb, doesn't mean you can directly apply the logic of energy density as we have seen multiple times that Homeless Emperor can manipulate the type of orb he is using. Sometimes it is an exploding orb, other times it acts as a vaporizing attack. For all we know, it might not be an exploding type but instead the kind of solid vaporizing orb that he launched at Child Emperor. Earlier, I had to close that CRT cause the discussion wasn't going anywhere, but I still feel like I could convince you.
 
Since, NikHelton brought this up again. I kind of still disagree with you Asura. I agree that it exploded after 35 slashes but that is just the Atomic Slash's way of doing things. It literally means an overkill. Atomic Samurai has been shown multiple times to use thousands of cuts to annihilate his enemies. That doesn't mean that it would have taken a thousand cuts to negate the attack. His ability to cut up the orb multiple times with any apparent difficulty already shows that he scales far above just 1/35th of that energy.
It takes all of his cuts normally to make people explode into gore rather than just bisecting them, which takes more energy overall. I don’t see why it’s so unreasonable to assume that he simply cut through the orb until it exploded, which we see happen in the panel.

He and GS do scale above 1/35th already, what your logic absolutely does not, under any conditions, show is that he somehow scales to the full energy of an orb he didn’t destroy with one attack.
And you have no reason to assume that it isn't equatable.
Because it isn’t shown to be, and it takes 35 blows in the first place for it to even explode.
Just cause it is an energy orb, doesn't mean you can directly apply the logic of energy density as we have seen multiple times that Homeless Emperor can manipulate the type of orb he is using.
Why would him being able to manipulate his orbs mean he’s shifting all of its durability to a single place? We’ve never seen that facet of his powers, and it isn’t consistent with the explosion being omnidirectional.
Sometimes it is an exploding orb, other times it acts as a vaporizing attack.
When? Isn’t it typically both unless he’s using them to block far, far inferior projectiles?
For all we know, it might not be an exploding type but instead the kind of solid vaporizing orb that he launched at Child Emperor.
It exploded against AS and Child Empeor, so no. It is basically always an explosion.
Earlier, I had to close that CRT cause the discussion wasn't going anywhere, but I still feel like I could convince you.
It’s probably not that hard. Just get stronger points.
 
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