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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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To me, an even more egregious element of this calculation is that we're scaling the speed of the explosion to the energy sphere itself.
It's like saying C-4 is Hypersonic+ because its detonation velocity is 8 km/s.
I say we just drop it outright.
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I always imagined it as a big ball that flies tens of kilometers, blowing up everything behind him.
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NOOOO. All this time, was Genos's blast level on par with Large Town for evaporation? I've always thought for destruction. It's disgusting. I have never trusted vaporization.
The building of Genus was not vaporized by blast, but destroyed, but for some reason the mountains vaporized. Stupid. Hell, and there’s only 8-A for normal destruction.
The building of Genus was not vaporized by blast, but destroyed, but for some reason the mountains vaporized. Stupid. Hell, and there’s only 8-A for normal destruction.
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We outright see that only the building was fragmented by the blast, while it actually vaporized the ground (notice there's a blackened charred trench away from the building, as if the ground has been scooped out).
In fact, there's a second mountain top behind it that's just gone.
In fact, there's a second mountain top behind it that's just gone.
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Dude. Its just shadow.
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You can literally see there's a trench there, and the blackened charred land carries across to the other side of the clearing.
Edit: Should be more clear here. I didn't mean the actual shadow, I meant the discoloured part of the trench next to the shadow, which was the main focus of this photo.
That other one is not better. The size is high-balled massively.
As for why the building was fragmented and the land was vaporized, ask Murata. It's just a manga trope. It even shows up in the first chapter when Vaccine Man pulverizes a lot of land, but buildings are left fragmented.
Edit: Should be more clear here. I didn't mean the actual shadow, I meant the discoloured part of the trench next to the shadow, which was the main focus of this photo.
That other one is not better. The size is high-balled massively.
As for why the building was fragmented and the land was vaporized, ask Murata. It's just a manga trope. It even shows up in the first chapter when Vaccine Man pulverizes a lot of land, but buildings are left fragmented.
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I don't see anything here
No. The explosion just didn't vaporize the mountain, so the building didn't vaporize. Some steam may have created some of the surface from the temperature, but this does not mean that it has evaporated 100% of the stone.
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Look at the trench near the middle of the panel. It's just under the puff of steam/fire.
Clearly the explosion that took out the building was not the same one that destroyed the clearing, which is substantiated by the fact that A) the second mountain was destroyed, and B) the crater in the second mountain has very similar shape and angle to the first crater.
I'm not saying the building vaporized, I'm saying the mountain vaporized. My point about Vaccine Man was to show that it's really kind of a trope for buildings to only get fragmented by this kind of damage, whereas rock is obliterated (Roshi's Kamehameha against a mountain is a good example).
Ok, show me substantial fragments of the mountain itself? Not the building, just the mountain. All I could find, anywhere, were a few rocks at the very edge of the crater that were still falling down after the blast had reached the second mountain.
Clearly the explosion that took out the building was not the same one that destroyed the clearing, which is substantiated by the fact that A) the second mountain was destroyed, and B) the crater in the second mountain has very similar shape and angle to the first crater.
I'm not saying the building vaporized, I'm saying the mountain vaporized. My point about Vaccine Man was to show that it's really kind of a trope for buildings to only get fragmented by this kind of damage, whereas rock is obliterated (Roshi's Kamehameha against a mountain is a good example).
Ok, show me substantial fragments of the mountain itself? Not the building, just the mountain. All I could find, anywhere, were a few rocks at the very edge of the crater that were still falling down after the blast had reached the second mountain.
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The same beam hit the building and flew right through, then he killed two mountains, that's all. It's just a darkening, shadow, not embers. I say that the mountain could be sprayed (214 jolies per cubic centimeter), and because of the impact power, the pieces flew to the sides, we were not shown the process of destruction, so it could well fly apart.
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Via vaporization.
Why would there be embers if it was vaporization? Also, you can see that the ground in the trench is a different colour.
You don't see such a thing happen. You see a massive fireball with the exact same dimensions as the crater engulf the clearing. Plus, if your logic is that the building wasn't vaporized so the mountain wasn't vaporized, then why would every piece of rubble except the significantly lighter broken building be launched?
Why would there be embers if it was vaporization? Also, you can see that the ground in the trench is a different colour.
You don't see such a thing happen. You see a massive fireball with the exact same dimensions as the crater engulf the clearing. Plus, if your logic is that the building wasn't vaporized so the mountain wasn't vaporized, then why would every piece of rubble except the significantly lighter broken building be launched?
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OK
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Now that I think about it, some characters could be scaled to the meteor. I'll elaborate, even if I know you guys will just drop it.
So, Genos is able to calculate the power of the meteor, then he says Gouketsu is probably stronger than Saitama who destroyed the meteor. Of course this is wrong because he compared both with a "seemingly bottomless" power, but he still sees Gouketsu as immeasurable while he could calculate the meteor. Then Post Molt EC is possibly stronger than Gouketsu and AB Bang possibly stronger than Post Molt EC. Bang said Saitama is the strongest person he had seen in his life because of the feat of destroying the meteor. The only thing that avoids circular scaling here is the assumption that Bang was right on Saitama's power while Genos, as he said, couldn't accurately measure him or Gouketsu (Saitama being a higher level of immeasurable), but could calculate the meteor. AB Bang would be able to barely destroy the meteor while Saitama did it with massive ease.
The only contradiction I see is Bang not believing he could stop it.
So, Genos is able to calculate the power of the meteor, then he says Gouketsu is probably stronger than Saitama who destroyed the meteor. Of course this is wrong because he compared both with a "seemingly bottomless" power, but he still sees Gouketsu as immeasurable while he could calculate the meteor. Then Post Molt EC is possibly stronger than Gouketsu and AB Bang possibly stronger than Post Molt EC. Bang said Saitama is the strongest person he had seen in his life because of the feat of destroying the meteor. The only thing that avoids circular scaling here is the assumption that Bang was right on Saitama's power while Genos, as he said, couldn't accurately measure him or Gouketsu (Saitama being a higher level of immeasurable), but could calculate the meteor. AB Bang would be able to barely destroy the meteor while Saitama did it with massive ease.
The only contradiction I see is Bang not believing he could stop it.
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In fact, there is no cycle of scale.
We compare what Genos says over SEE. He did not read the manga where the main character Saitama, he judges his physical strength by his own achievements, he did not know that Bang with breathing is physically close to the Centipede after molting, after that.
He knows the meteorite is stronger than Bang, but Saitama destroys it very easily. He considers Gouketsu to be Saitama's equal and could not measure his strength, although he could the strength of a meteorite.
Genos just didn't know that Beng with breathing could scale to Centipede after molting. And only after seeing how Centipede tore apart Saitama - he changed his mind.
If the problem is that Bang could not even destroy the meteorite in peak form, then perhaps Bang does not have a high radius of destruction, only penetrating power (Being the level of the City, it creates only shock waves within a radius of 10 meters, and the volume of the destroyed stone pulls only to the level of the building).
We compare what Genos says over SEE. He did not read the manga where the main character Saitama, he judges his physical strength by his own achievements, he did not know that Bang with breathing is physically close to the Centipede after molting, after that.
He knows the meteorite is stronger than Bang, but Saitama destroys it very easily. He considers Gouketsu to be Saitama's equal and could not measure his strength, although he could the strength of a meteorite.
Genos just didn't know that Beng with breathing could scale to Centipede after molting. And only after seeing how Centipede tore apart Saitama - he changed his mind.
If the problem is that Bang could not even destroy the meteorite in peak form, then perhaps Bang does not have a high radius of destruction, only penetrating power (Being the level of the City, it creates only shock waves within a radius of 10 meters, and the volume of the destroyed stone pulls only to the level of the building).
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Or it's even easier. Genos talked about "Monsters of this level" mean those monsters that can easily defeat him, it is not necessary to be as strong as Gouketsu.
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I think the meteor should be durable enough to make Bang break all of his limbs trying to attack it. There were only 9 seconds left before it could crash and turn the entire city into oblivion if Saitama hadn't come, but Bang still didn't even take off his shirt and try using the Total Concentration Breathing technique.
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While I'm neutral on the meteor thing, I really think people underestimate how powerful Gouketsu is compared to a lot of other Dragon levels.
Even Suiryu, who broke Bakuzan's toe, said that Saitama would be killed by Gouketsu after seeing him one-shot Bakuzan.
Even Suiryu, who broke Bakuzan's toe, said that Saitama would be killed by Gouketsu after seeing him one-shot Bakuzan.
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I'm more or less neutral as well. I'm unsure for Gouketsu full on scaling to it and I'd probably go with a likely rather than a full up. I'll give a proper response later
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I wanted to say that perhaps he accepted his death, but somehow he reacted too calmly to this and was not at all frightened.
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But I disagree that Centipede can scale up to Gouketsu. This would mean that it can cause destruction more than a meteorite hitting the ground, but it cannot.
Gouketsu at least has shockwaves that are close to island level (And would be island level if we were taking an anime timeframe). And that's just a random portion of its shockwaves, residual strength. And the Centipede does not feel like a threat of this level at all.
Gouketsu at least has shockwaves that are close to island level (And would be island level if we were taking an anime timeframe). And that's just a random portion of its shockwaves, residual strength. And the Centipede does not feel like a threat of this level at all.
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A discussion could be created about the meteorite. But I'm busy and I don't want to get into all this.
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Since some people agree and some others are neutral, should I make a CRT to discuss it there?
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The meteor is low 6-B via it's impact. I don't think it's durability would even scale to that. Destroying it would be more like 7-A or 6-C.
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It is country level
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Got it, forget what I said. Gouketsu cannot be country level. I thought the meteorite Level is 100 gigatons.
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Spiderr was talking about the impact, not the durability.
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Why are we using earthquake to detonate Boros' ship and meteorite?
And by the way, can the pressure in the explosion formula for the shock wave be used for the Boros ship of about 80 bar? 80 bar seems to be equivalent to 8 MPa, and this is the strength of a stone (the explosion destroyed all buildings on the way). Or I misunderstood the formula?
And by the way, can the pressure in the explosion formula for the shock wave be used for the Boros ship of about 80 bar? 80 bar seems to be equivalent to 8 MPa, and this is the strength of a stone (the explosion destroyed all buildings on the way). Or I misunderstood the formula?
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By the way, Genos considered Tatsumaki to be weaker than Gouketsu, although he saw her deflect the bullets of Boros' ship.
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Yeah, a lot of people do. But I never underestimate him. Something tells me he would solo 90% of the S-Class if it weren't for Saitama.
Didn't we have had one before?
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Now I remember this, in the fight with Psykos, Genos mentions that he can capable of pulverising the meteor with a single "Lightning Drill Cannon" while talking nothing about Gouketsu or EC.
If he thought Gouketsu/EC was stronger or more durable than the meteor, he should have said "I can now pulverise Gouketsu/EC in one hit" or so instead of just mentioning the rock.
So to me it kinda implies the meteor is a bigger threat than them.
If he thought Gouketsu/EC was stronger or more durable than the meteor, he should have said "I can now pulverise Gouketsu/EC in one hit" or so instead of just mentioning the rock.
So to me it kinda implies the meteor is a bigger threat than them.
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I think Flash would have beaten him. TOo fast
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It sounds cooler
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That doesn't make sense.
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He didn't specifically refer to that meteor but to a giant meteor.
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ok bro.
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