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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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I think the statement was actually that even working together they would lose to Orochi.
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Murata: ...If the three generals under Boros work together against Orochi...Let me think...If they plan it properly they could have a very minimal chance of winning, almost next to nothing. After all, it's still unsure if Tatsumaki can beat Orochi.
Taken from the wiki.
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It's a very old quote, plus the unsure if Tatsumaki can beat Orochi is now bunk as she clearly stomps him
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Tbh, if we get some sort of statement in the future about Boros we could possibly upgrade him. He said he'd destroy the surface but does that really mean he meant just the surface?
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Yes, he said he’d do a thing, so he means that he’d do the thing
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He could have underestimated his ability also. Plus he had already expended a ton of his energy fighting Saitama for those 5 minutes. I'm just saying it could be plausible if we get confirmation he's above Orochi.
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Why in the world would he underestimate his own ability when his statement was a threat to Saitama…
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I mean he also thought he could win as well lol
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Okay, that’s irrelevant to what I asked.
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It's an attack we never got to see the results of. I only stated the hypothetical. Saitama completely nullified Orochi's attack but only managed to split the Csrc.
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Well. What if she waits for him to charge Gaia Cannon and then tries to tank it?
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The hypothetical doesn’t make logical sense though lmao
There’s less than zero reasons why Boros would think the CSRC is weaker than it actually is
There’s less than zero reasons why Boros would think the CSRC is weaker than it actually is
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Actually there is, he's likely never used it before. Given nobody else ever pushed him that far.
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If he didn’t even know the strength of his own ability, why’d he make the statement of it being a surface-wiper? What, was he just making that up?
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It's planet surface wiping, that's it. However, planet surface wiping can be varied in result, it's not always capped at High 6-A.
Boros should be still above the likes of Tatsumaki, Psykos, Orochi narrative-wise though, even physically.
Boros should be still above the likes of Tatsumaki, Psykos, Orochi narrative-wise though, even physically.
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Iirc the translation can also mean wipe off of the face of the Earth. However, Ap =/= DC. The attack could simple have a higher ap than the DC of said attack.
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You can argue Boros is 3-A with continental AOE, nothing an issue. If Boros is tier 5, then we can just add "higher" for CSRC.
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99% of the time, it is. Unless you do some shit like vaporizing the surface, you’re most likely not getting out of High 6-A.
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Not my point.
I'm talking about Boros and how scaling works here, the thing is that the argument of "Boros can't be scaled that way since all he can do is destroying the planet surface!" isn't pretty pretty.
Let's say if Geryuganshoop is Moon level and Boros is canonically scales beyond him, that's not really an issue at all since first, we can use AOE fallacy as a counter that CSRC has higher Moon level potency with continental range, that or just assume Boros' CSRC isn't your regular planet surface wiping via nuke calculator.
Just get rid this mental gymnastics and scale Boros with current feats, really.
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yeah apparently they don't argue like that here
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Boros can scale to current feats… if he gets an actual reason to scale to them. But he doesn’t have any reason to scale to them. We don’t scale off of narrative.
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What rules says we don't scale off from narrative-wise? And can't, you all see how ridiculous that Boros, is inferior to Tatsumaki physically even though when the latter struggled to move the ship? Inb4 cuz current gets better feats, no, nothing implies that Tatsumaki gets massive boost on the progress, nerfing Boros on the level he is below to people that are supposed to be fodders before him just breaks how the canon power scaling works. Latter feats beats the former, that's the underlying argument for this mental gymnastics. Scaling beats feats all the time.
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That’s just not a thing that’s done on the site. Feats and scaling are used, not narrative. If you want to change that, you’re welcome to make a thread to do so.
”physically” Tatsumaki has Unknown physicals so like-
Also she didn’t struggle at all to move the ship. She casually caused a significant amount of damage to it, to the point that the people on the ship were scared for their lives and wanted Boros to come save them. She didn’t struggle at any point there.
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No rules like that, narrative in-context here just means canon scaling.
Who talk about Tatsumaki's physical attributes though? We all knows that she is a fodder without esper. What I meant is that Boros should be above the likes of her even without Meteoric Burst, his trump card.
Your premise is non-sequitur, first you said she didn't struggle moving the ship at all it but yet, you didn't give any implications about when nor how did she move it, she just damaged the ship bad enough that Boros' crews gets worried, that's all, Boros did it worse with his Meteoric Burst anyway and it wasn't intentional.
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You straight-up can’t just say something like “Boros should narratively be above Psykorochi” and expect that to be enough to change the profiles. Those two characters have never interacted, there’s nothing comparing them, so just going “but muh narrative” doesn’t work.
You also didn’t give scans to suggest that she did struggle to move it, so…
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But I never, though? I didn't expect some changes here, I even have no intention to make a CRT. I'm just expressing my thought here.
Sorry for being harsh but, you can't just shift the burden of proofs like that, Tatsumaki never move the ship, therefore, in order to say that she can move it without struggling you have to prove if she can.
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Anyway about they never interacted we can just use Tatsumaki as our basis here
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I guess that’s my bad then, you were talking about Boros scaling to current feats so I assumed you intended for his profile to be changed to reflect that.
That’s, like, not provable either way though. You can’t prove that she would struggle and I can’t prove that she wouldn’t. And you definitely can’t use a feat that never happened to say Boros > Tatsumaki.
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Although technically, it is provable that Tatsumaki could easily move the ship since her LS was calced at Class P (1.15558624e16 kg) while the weight of Boros’ ship was calced at 1.60899704e14. Tats’ feat is 71.82x heavier than Boros’ ship, so yeaaaaaaah
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I'm actually kind of careless about OPM profiles in this wiki via few reasons, I'm just here (on this thread) to enjoy discussion, but I will still try to argue if I can though.
I won't say the burden of proof is on mine too, since the S class heroes were trying so hard to take down the ship, Tatsumaki was there and she can do nothing but storming the ship until Boros and Saitama took it down.
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No, he really wasn’t. Orochi got mutilated by Darkshine’s kick and vomited blood from it, and Psykos said that his body became useless immediately after that, further implying that he took a significant amount of damage.
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I'm quite sure that the ship's balance was sustained by that sphere-purple like crystal, not the weight
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I mean, we didn’t really see what she was doing after she damaged the ship, so it’s not like you can say for sure that she was struggling.
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Let's change that "struggle" to "can't" without feat. Anyway let's agree to disagree.
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We really don't know it Tats could move the ship tbh. The weight is one thing but the gravity core would have to be overpowered as well that was keeping it floating.
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After that Tatsumaki say's it's still not over, and proving that, right after, Orochi looked fine right after. Tatsumaki had to use a 6-C attack to finish him. (Also the reason he was bleeding was because of the Beeline Slash, not Superalloy Missle, we can see the impact from the Missle at the top.)
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I think the gravity core thing was anime only.
Although it would make a nice posthoc justification as to why she couldn’t bring down the ship.
Although it would make a nice posthoc justification as to why she couldn’t bring down the ship.
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