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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Emirp sumitpo said:
Eh, I don't think it'll reach tier 5 tbh. Seems more like a high end High 6-A
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With GPE, it'd probably be upper end High 6-A, however I think KE would be better in this case since GPE can't come close to the energy required to throw that much mass that far. You probably can't begin to guess how insane KE can be and how powerful throwing a landmass of this size at massively hypersonic, massively hypersonic+ or sub-relativistic speeds.

For a small demonstration- let's lowball the weight and say it weighs as much as the ocean lift and assume the diameter is also the same (even though we can see it's between a half and a third of the earth's diameter), so 1.3*10^21 kg and 2730947 meters respectively. The width of the lifted earth is 289 pixels to a 81 pixel height, so a height of 765421.1315 meters. Divide that by 10 to get 76542 meters per second. Multiply that by the weight to get a result of...

3.82543378×10^30 joules, low 5-B

Now that's a conservative estimate, but it'd be planet level for sure.
 
Perhaps you remember how the 5 second KE end for the ocean slice was already 5-C. If we used KE, we'd have tier 5 OPM right now anyhow
 
I don't think that's how we're supposed to be using KE tho. AFAIK, we kinda need to object to be impacting something for us to use KE. And it needs to have a noticeable impact, similar to the 7-A/Relativistic feat from Invincible

Tetsucabrah said:
I meant the lifting strength.
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I'm pretty sure it's Class T.
 
Just wondering, but do you think Garou might've been holding back when he fought Bomb? We know that Garou does avoid killing humans but rather just incapacitates them
 
Bomb fighting Garou really did **** up the scaling huh? I'm obliged to just say it's an outlier and move on but I think it's best to wait for the Bang fight and see what happens
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
I don't think that's how we're supposed to be using KE tho. AFAIK, we kinda need to object to be impacting something for us to use KE. And it needs to have a noticeable impact, similar to the 7-A/Relativistic feat from Invincible
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That's not necessary to find KE, if you know the weight and you know the speed, you already know the KE and so KE is the simplest option there is. GPE would be selling it short- if we see like 10% of the planet's landmass being sheared off and lifted into high orbit at Massively Hypersonic speeds, why not calc it as such?

GPE might not even work because the chunk is so far removed into orbit that it's not going to fall straight back down- it may spiral out into a stable orbit like the moon if the motion isn't complete, or otherwise slowly spin back to earth over a longer period of time. Are you recommending some third method?
 
I haven't followed the discussion, so my question is, will Bomb be updated via Garou? This is actually weird. Darkshine is physically weaker than this Garou, but Bomb is comparable to him, although Bang is listed as much weaker physically than Darkshine.
 
In fact, as I recall, it was never pointed out that Darkshine is the strongest physically hero by anyone more credible than Darkshine itself. And during the duel between Bang and Darkshine - the old man could restrain himself so as not to upset parody to Dwayne Johnson. So, most likely, he is stronger physically (at least in AP, not in lifting) than Darkshine. In addition, Bomb was weakened before the fight with Garou. Fubuki donated a huge chunk of his strength. He has become much weaker.
 
There is much we still don't know. I will say that Bomb only took two direct hits from Garou before being defeated. Let's see current Garou get some feats and have a more competitive fight before we make the judgment call on what it all means
 
In real life, if two very strong martial artists start a fight, even if they are equal in speed and physical strength, one of them will fall in pain if the other hits him twice with sufficient force in the right places.
 
Given Bomb was heavily nerfed, I think we can assume he scales to this version of Garou.

I used to believe Darkshine was logically the strongest physical fighter in the HA in terms of AP but now it seems that the brothers are above him. Now, there was a statement by the narrator that said something like "Darkshine's strength can not be measured with numbers" maybe implying others' strength could be measured. This could be referring to Lifting Strength tho, since the only times we have seen him training inside the HA base he has been lifting weights.

This proves Goo Orochi's body is not a reliable source in terms of durability, because some of us agreed that Superalloy Missile did more damage than CFDSF, which has been disproven in the latest chapter.

Also, when Spiral Garou hurt Darkshine in the abdomen, was he using any kind of technique or was it raw strength? If it's raw strength, hurting Darkshine with a weaker version would mean Bomb could also hurt Darkshine without even using techniques, as well as Bang.
 
This isn't the last we're going to see of Darkshine or the last we've seen of Garou. If we considering changing the scaling based on the outcome of the 147 Bomb Garou fight, I am opposed. We should wait to see more from Garou, like a feat or a more detailed fight with Bang which is likely to explain what is happening here.

We don't know how much stronger Garou is and he's not even himself right now, he's in a semi-conscious state of some kind and I don't know what that means for scaling
 
DarthSpiderr said:
In real life, if two very strong martial artists start a fight, even if they are equal in speed and physical strength, one of them will fall in pain if the other hits him twice with sufficient force in the right places.
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Wait hold up, that's not how that normally works. You rarely see a one-two KO if both parties are comparable in skill and strength. Knockout artists have a different fighting style than third round warriors but normally it takes martial artists multiple combinations to actually finish an opponent (or really outskilling them to land that rare, clean knockdown strike).

And even then, the kind of fighters that one-two KO their opponents are guys like Francis Ngannou who are multiple times stronger than their opponents or counterstrikers like Conor Mcgregor who use their opponent's own momentum against them to double their attack power.

Basing it in on real life fighting, Bomb was heartily outclassed- he did no damage and only took two blows clean before going down. It's not like a fight like Kattar vs. Holloway where one opponent is landing like 260 significant strikes and still not KOing.
 
Tetsucabrah said:
I'm convinced some of you guys don't know what an outlier is.
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What? It's very inconsistent with the scaling chain as of now as well as very contradictory. But like damage said, just wait till bang fights Garou and see what happens
 
Also here's the thing that even if Bomb really is stronger than darkshine, it creates the contradictory scaling chain of Bomb by virtue of being At least 7-B, when he gets knocked out casually by someone who is far behind the 7-B scaling chain, who is EC. I might go on to say why this contradicts some of the scaling and how it makes things circular. But again, I prefer to wait
 
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Wait, wait, I’m pretty sure nobody is saying that Bomb is stronger than Garou. Also EC didn’t knock him out, he whacked Bang and Bomb while they were off-guard and it barely did anything.
 
People are however saying that Bomb scales considerably above Spiral Garou and Darkshine by extension. That is something we definitely can't use in a CRT until we get more information- we don't even know how much stronger Garou is currently, just that he should be at least somewhat stronger- possibly massively stronger
 
Bomb having some of his vitality transferred to TTM is vague and likely only took some stamina. I doubt it would've made a significant difference in the fight if she hadn't, and assuming he would've been on par with Garou is outright headcanon.

As for Darkshine's strength, well, two things on that. For starters, Darkshine easily one shotted a transformed Bug God with a standard punch, and when I say one shotted, I mean the kind of one shot Saitama would do, as in obliterating the entire upper half of his body. Base form Bug God was so durable that a much stronger version of Garou than the one who was getting beat on by Bang and Bomb simultaneously literally hurt his own hand punching Bug God. In other words, a High-Demon hurt his own hand punching Bug God. This alone implies even base Bug God is bordering on if not reaching Dragon level's of durability, and transformed Bug God almost certainly would. Obviously Bang and Bomb would roll Bug God, but saying they would stomp him to the same extent Darkshine did is not something I would call consistent. Furthermore, again, Bomb got two shotted by Garou while never harming him. When Bang shows up, Garou visibly has no damage sustained nor stamina lost, while Bomb is on the ground, exhausted and beaten. Regardless of how long Bomb lasted or if he blocked some hits, it was blatantly a low diff fight for Garou, which is why I think it was mostly a skill thing that Bomb fought Garou as well as he did.

Still, we shouldn't make any final judgements. The next chapter will be on the 28th or sometime shortly after. If Bang shows enough feats to solidly scale him to Garou and likely above Darkshine, then we can accept it, but until then there just isn't enough to say anything concrete.
 
Alright... so, I'm revisiting Zhoniin's 2019 S-class tier list and it's clear how much the scaling has changed since then. Some of you will point out the weak points in Zhoniin's reasoning, but to be fair most of the differences between his tier list and mine can be explained by new developments, redraws and the new divergences between the webcomic and manga. Not entirely sure on the exact placements of some heroes, so heroes in the same tier should be comparable/exchangeable unless stated otherwise

Zhoniin's old tier list.
Tier 0 - Able to defeat all dragons, low, mid and high
1. King: Easily God level. He literally can't lose.
2. Blast: Reserved to fight God level threats. Could defeat all of the s-class at once, probably.
3. Tatsumaki: Reversed Boros's barrage no problem. Very fast, very durable. Could beat EC, negative diffed Gyoro Gyoro.
4. Metal Knight: Power even the HA fears, has Boros's ship wreckage. Likely to have crazy stuff, presumably stronger than Brave Giant.
Tier 1 - Able to defeat low and mid dragons
5. Bang: Low-diffed Melzalgald, chumped hero hunter garou, decent performance against Elder Centipede.
6. Darkshine: Defeated Carnage Kabuto, effortlessly pulverized transformed bug god. Zhoniin said he should be comparable to Silver Fang all things considered.
7. Flashy Flash: Killed two decent dragon level threats in a single strike. Fast enough to blitz almost any dragon.
8. Drive Knight: Showed himself to be faster, stronger, more durable, more versatile and more intelligent than a cadre like Nyan.
Tier 2 - Able to defeat low dragons/actually competitive with mid dragons
9. Child Emperor: Can defeat many dragons with Brave Giant. Still effective with just his backpack and a moment to think.
10. Atomic Samurai: Relatively lackluster performances against dragons but suffers due to bad matchups. Could probably defeat a dragon with better matchups.
11. Amai Mask: competitive with dragons, butchered the mercenary squad. An all-rounder with no easily exploitable weaknesses.
12. Watchdog Man: No diffed Hero Hunter Garou, probably fought a dragon by now defending Q city.
Tier 3 - Somewhat competitive with low dragons/ambiguously dragon level
13. Zombieman: Hard to kill. Can survive dragons. Could potentially outlast dragons.
14. Genos (unclear): Good performance against EC in a previous build, should be stronger in his new draedic build. Probably an unbalanced build given Kuseno's comments.
15. Metal Bat (arguably higher): Stopped EC's charge, would have killed Hero Hunter Garou if not interrupted. Supposedly can defeat dragons.
Tier 4 - Able to defeat most/all demons, not demonstrably dragon level
16. Pig God (arguably higher): lack of feats, interesting abilities but not demonstrably dragon.
17. Puri Puri Prisoner: Able to one-shot a demon in impressive fashion, versatile abilities like vibration attack, defense buffs and regen.
18. Tanktop Master: Physically powerful, but suffering from a lack of screen time. Lost to hero hunter garou, so not stronger than high demon.
 
My june 2021 list, made with the benefit of hindsight and still including some controversial picks. Especially the stuff with Bang, Atomic and Darkshine right now who are all hot topics. Get ready for a bible.

Tier 0 - Competitive with God Level threats (God level)
1. King: Agree with 2019 Zhoniin. His meta-luck-reality-manipulation may not be something we can put on a vswiki profile, but he just can't lose.
2. Blast: Superior to Tatsumaki, who is already high into the dragon or above category and arguably god level in her own right. Faster than Flashy Flash, can travel across dimensions, the HA's last reserve who's ready to take on disaster level God threats. Currently on a crusade against "God", who is obviously going to be the first (and maybe only) God level threat. Blatantly reserved for God level threats.
Tier 1 - Easily defeat All Dragon Level Threats (Above Dragon level)
3. Tatsumaki: Defeated Psykorochi, an entity that could render the planet uninhabitable with a few earth shattering attacks. Would solo the MA if it weren't for being weakened - with God's intervention, judging by the random, not-so-random moon shot. Stated to be able easily lift Z city, which I believe. Would even be competitive with Boros and Awakened Garou- until AG gets a massive buff that clearly establishes he is above here.
4. Metal Knight: Pretty featless right now, but I bet he's got technology superior to Dr. Kuseno, so he could somehow replicate 10 second Genos multi-continental power and probably on greater (or at least more consistent) scale. Has Boros's ship, at least a 100 low 7-B/High 7-C battle drones, stuff that's surely superior to Brave Giant.
4.5 10 second Genos: Okay, so Genos could defeat 99% of all dragon level threats with 10 seconds mode, rare exceptions being a fully split BS covering like a continent or Flashy Flash (maybe). So Genos as a whole should technically be at this level, but I want to try and scale Genos's 10 second and "normal" mode separately. Specially cause I think future Genos upgrades won't be above dragon to the extent 10 second genos is.
Tier 2 - Defeat low and mid dragons, competitive with High Dragons (High Dragon level)
5. Bang: Has fought Rover, EC, Melzalgald and is going to fight a version of Garou that should be somewhat stronger than spiral Garou. Rover and EC are high dragons I would say, current Garou is at least a high dragon. Bang is at least around Darkshine's level, may be higher depending on events in this next chapter.
6. Darkshine: Mid-diff defeated Carnage Mode Kabuto (took 15 minutes but wanted stronger opponents), casually pulverized transformed Bug God, dispersed ENW without too much difficulty, helped Garou to evolve into his current stage, stated by Black Sperm to be able to potentially beat a fully split BS in a battle of attrition (insane). Would tank the atomic slash if the FU fight is any indication.
7. Flashy Flash: One-shot the ninja bros at once and is pretty fast. Would have killed the Garou that fought Darkshine.
8. Atomic Samurai: Apparently has alot of bad match-ups: Black Sperm, ENW, Melzagald, Vomited Fuhrer Ugly... and he keeps getting them. So many bad match-ups actually, that you can make the case he's mid dragon because he loses so many fights. But those grounds for slander aside- he was stated to be able to kill the Garou that Darkshine first fought, sliced up Psykos's beams, can cut lightning. Might actually have a good time against dragons like Rover and Homeless.
9. Drive Knight: Outclassed Nyan in all categories, while also ambiguously stating Nyan would be difficult to defeat in a frontal attack without prep. I would say Drive Knight is normally mid dragon given that, but his performance against Psykos proves to me that he can perform at the high dragon level if he's willing to spend all his energy. (Possibly has a king form that might Above Dragon IDK.)
Tier 3 - Defeat Low dragons, competitive with mid dragons (Mid Dragon level)
10. "normal" Genos: I consider his base and DK to be close in tier, but DK has a few advantages over "normal" Genos that allow him to perform better against high dragons. Not quite as versatile as Drive Knight, did not have quite as impressive of a showing against Psykosjet as Drive Knight either- so I don't think he can push himself to really compete with high dragons without dipping into some of the 10 seconds power.
11. Child Emperor: mid dragon with Brave Giant. Still versatile without it
Tier 4 - Competitive with Low Dragons (Low Dragon level)
12. Puri Puri: PPP was demolishing mid-demons before he got his regen, bristle armor buff and vibration angel buff. Those buffs take him from a high demon level to an ambiguous dragon level, where he can survive a barrage from a bloodlusted mid-dragon Garou and do damage to Psykosjet.
13. Pig God: Pig God has shown himself to be just below Gums's level, he's escaped from his mouth like twice on his own, escaped from Gums, interrupted Gums twice with a tackle. Gums is the least impressive cadre, but a dragon nonetheless. Probably Above Dragon with his secret power.
14. Zombieman: Hasn't show himself to be capable of "defeating Dragons" but can survive attacks from dragons long enough to get stealth victories. In terms of raw power with weapons, he's a mid-demon maybe, but his regen keeps in him in fights with low, mid and even high dragons.
15. Watchdog Man: Beating HHG doesn't make him anything more than an "above demon", but I think Zhoniin is right when he says that Watchdog Man will end up being dragon level via defending Q-city.
16. Metal Bat: Metal Bat is in tier 5 before he gets pumped up, but under the right circumstances he will become strong enough to one-shot HHG and stop EC's charge, both dragon level feats.
Tier 5 - Defeat mid demons, competitive with high demons (high demon)
17. Base Amai Mask: Man, I don't want to slander Amai but Murata clearly hates him. Amai got ripped in two by Fuhrer, seemed comparable in speed to the disciples, took superficial damage from DO-S (a mid-demon imo) and hasn't actually do anything of consequence against a dragon. Webcomic amai was definitely a mid-dragon but manga Amai Mask's stock can only go back up from now. I expect he will be low dragon in base and high dragon in monster form when all is said and done.
18. Tanktop Master: TTM is in a tier of his own, but not in a good way. He lost to HHG and has got a couple good LS feats, but nothing that would guarantee a victory over the weakest dragons, like Bakuzan. The other heroes that were/are kinda in tier 5 have extenuating circumstances like Metal Bat or Watchdog Man or have transcended this tier like PPP.
 
Yeah. PPP was demolished by Garou and was left barely able to move. Likely he didn't die instantly due to his bristle armor

Psykojet is likely a glass cannon considering how inconsistent she is in durability.

And I think Matthew already outlined the problems with scaling PPP to Psykojet
 
Don't we do that with other characters? I'm pretty sure the reason Zombie man has unknown durability is because he's inconsistent
 
If that’s the reason, his profile definitely doesn’t suggest that.

And Psykosjet’s durability doesn’t seem that inconsistent tbh.
 
Also maybe just me, but I'd probably place zombie man at the top of tier 4 by virtue of outlasting everyone
 
I'd say yeah, but probably doesn't matter much as Nyan is getting upgraded to 7-B due to Genos tanking a hit from Black Sperm. Psykos' beams are calced at only Low 7-B
 
I dunno if that would really count as damaging it, since he had to try to destroy it from the inside. His durability should scale though, since Bishop DK could harm Psykos.

Although speaking of Psykos’ beams, they should get their ‘possibly 7-A’ back since they can harm Genos, who tanked a hit from Black Sperm last chapter. Really she never should’ve lost the ‘possibly 7-A,’ because it makes no sense for her fused state to be weaker than her base form.
 
I don't really see why Nyan would be City level, tbh. He's a Dragon level, but his overall power and standing outside of that aren't well defined.

@Tracer He also withstood a hit with practically no damage. Also, it pierced through to the outside.
 
I think the problem for the possibly 7-A scaling was because of PPP, who I think was contradictory as he was previously bodied by Garou, who at the time hadn't reached that level of strength yet? I'll look for the thread

Also using the current 7-B scaling chain. My god, EC is weak as hell
 
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