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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Kin201 said:
Do you mean at which point he is more skilled than him or has more raw strength than him? Or both?
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As in when can Garou beat Gouketsu.

Personally I think a better question is how strong exactly is he, or rather, how did he compare to the other Cadre's?

Also when does Murata stream? I'm guessing just when he feels like it, but is it often?
 
Considering the last time he did so was 2018, unlikely we'll get another stream soon.

And even if Garou did surpass Gouketsu, it'll only back the possibly 7-A rating

As for whether Garou is stronger, I'm pretty sure going by the 7-A scaling chain, Garou should be much stronger than Gouketsu by this point. That and Garou has shown far greater skill feats than Gouketsu
 
Gonna hack One's Twitter to get 5-B Saitama so we can finally have Saitama vs Krillin. The battle of the baldies that have blond Android companions
 
I think the last time Murata streamed was whenever the original Phoenix Man fight was going on, so probably late 2019?
 
Yeah scaling wise Garou could and likely does surpass Gouketsu by a significant margin. Although I doubt Gouketsu showed much of what he has to offer. My headcanon is that Gouketsu is physically around the level of Darkshine, maybe even stronger, with a very high amount of skill, and a massive height advantage over most characters on top of that, his intelligence isn't too low for Monster standards, either, although he seems pretty overconfident, naturally. My headcanon is also that Garou surpassed Gouketsu during his fight with Darkshine (during the latter end of it). Garou would definitely beat him if they fought through reactive evolution though. He was constantly getting stronger throughout the entire MA arc up to this point, and probably won't stop until Saitama beats him, Garou is really broken just from reactive evolution and his endurance, not to mention that he can adapt to things like telekinesis very quickly, going from being completely immobilized to being capable of moving and attacking with no issue in under a minute with Gyoro Gyoro (although, granted, Gyoro Gyoro clearly wasn't expending much effort, but it's impressive regardless). Garou is just insane.
 
I feel like when Garou has Darkshine think of the word "losing" is the moment where he should surpass Gouketsu.
So like around when he learns the Cross fang dragonslayer fist on his own.
 
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CM CK was able to give Darkshine a good fight, although he was hoping Genos had even stronger Monster's, so Darkshine likely wasn't pushed into that much of a corner, he just need to go all out to win. He probably didn't get hurt either.
 
ByAsura said:
Genos did say Gouketsu was the strongest monster he'd faced, despite having accurate data on CM CK, and outright compared him to Saitama.
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We don't take everything from him seriously, especially if he wasn't sure how strong the S-Class were at that point. Genos later believed that Tatsumaki or King alone is probably enough to solo the Monster Association, despite he previously reassured himself that the combined of Tatsumaki, King and even Saitama working together were needed to beat Gouketsu.
 
Kin201 said:
We don't take everything from him seriously, especially if he wasn't sure how strong the S-Class were at that point. Genos later believed that Tatsumaki or King alone is probably enough to solo the Monster Association. Despite he previously reassured himself that the combined of Tatsumaki, King and even Saitama working together were needed to beat Gouketsu.
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Technically Tatsumaki can solo the MA.

Also that was before she did more digging and met EC
 
From memory I wanna say his power basis was
  • Saitama: Easily steamrolled his VGS system, which included every monster Genos fought up to that point and topping out at Carnage Kabuto
  • PPP: I honestly don't know if Genos has ever seen Prisoner fight pre-MA arc. I guess maybe his showing against Mel?
  • Atomic Samurai: Slicing apart Melzargard
  • Flashy Flash: He wouldn't have any real knowledge on
  • Silverfang: Destroying some meteors and damaging Melzargard
  • Tornado: He saw her rock throws, but I don't know if he saw her bullet catch. I would say he thought she was the one who fell the Alien Ship but later on Saitama said he did so
  • King: Most he would know about are blurbs from the HA about either Vaccine Man or Beefcake
Anime wise he would have first hand experience of Pluton, which puts him higher than with just the manga.
 
Kin201 said:
We don't take everything from him seriously, especially if he wasn't sure how strong the S-Class were at that point. Genos later believed that Tatsumaki or King alone is probably enough to solo the Monster Association, despite he previously reassured himself that the combined of Tatsumaki, King and even Saitama working together were needed to beat Gouketsu.
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In this case, it's a comparison between an enemy that one-shot him and someone he has data on after they fought. Those ones would be a lot more accurate than his knowledge of the S-Classes, unless you also want to say the Carnage vs Darkshine simulation isn't credible.
Qawsedf234 said:
Tornado: He saw her rock throws, but I don't know if he saw her bullet catch. I would say he thought she was the one who fell the Alien Ship but later on Saitama said he did so
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In the most recent chapter, Genos uses her casual attack against him as a reference.
 
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I guess according to Genos, at least we can reasonably assume that Gouketsu is much stronger than CK and possibly Darkshine since he already has knowledge of their strength due to the VGS and saw Saitama outright one-shot the bug, but not sure if we can compare Gouketsu to Saitama in any possible way, plus the meteor was destroyed by him.
 
Of course he's nowhere near Saitama. It's heavily implied Genos can't reliably gather his data, anyway.
 
No one scales to Saitama, although occasionally you can scale certain characters with god tier durability in a sense via using his normal punches as a reference when someone tanks or at least survives them.

But yes, I didn't consider that before, this can easily place Gouketsu well above CK and potentially even stronger than Darkshine, which really paints Gouketsu himself in a new light (then again that casual attack that he used to intimidate Bakuzan was presumably enough to kill Bakuzan, who's a Low-Dragon, so I guess it's not too shocking).
 
Armored Boros doesn't automatically have higher durability than anyone who hasn't taken a normal punch? Logical.
 
Basically, Saitama doesn't have some normal punch baseline. For example, even Saitama's normal punches took off Boros' arm and ripped apart his Meteoric Burst form, whereas Armoured Boros survived one. We still agreed that it puts him above characters like Vaccine Man and some of the past monsters he'd one-shot, but there's nothing indicating each punch has the same power if it's not serious.
 
He does, that's how Normal Punches work. The point is that he's not trying nor holding back. He's just lazily throwing a half-assed punch forwards. He wasn't trying to kill Boros nor intentionally holding back, which is why Boros lived, cause he can take the usual amount of power Saitama outputs with his blows. Idk how them damaging MB Boros so bad makes them inconsistent. The first punch only broke his armor, which we can assume took most of the force considering that stronger versions of him were significantly damaged. Released Boros had an arm taken off where as MB Boros had some major internal damage, which is relatively minor in comparison to being literally dismembered, whereas Consecutive Normal Punches is a bunch of blows thrown, well, consecutively. Also it could be argued that Saitama was already beginning to exert an above average amount of power against Boros seeing as he had his serious expression on throughout almost the entire fight after the first blow that Boros survived (which, as I've mentioned many times, surprised Saitama greatly). I don't see any inconsistencies.
 
If they're random half-assed punches, then why would each one have the exact same power to begin with? Saitama can limit his strength to not vaporizing B-Class Heroes to splitting clouds on a global scale, so even the tiniest exertion could make a huge difference.

So you've basically invalidated your own point to begin with by claiming that Armoured Boros can't actually take his punches.

Also, Saitama matches Boros' clashes without damaging him even after he blows his arm off.
 
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I'm not saying they have the same exact power. Unless there's something implying he's putting more effort or he says he's intentionally holding back (or in the case of fodders of course), it's pretty basic to assume he's using a roughly consistent amount of power.

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Uh, Saitama didn't throw a punch in either of those images, nor would it make sense if he did considering that every time Saitama throw's a punch, it's going to be focused on, not just some random attack.
 
He's not putting in effort is the point. If it's not regulated and he can control his power to such a degree with little effort, literally nothing suggests each of Saitama's punches are even close to each other in strength. I'd actually say this is the case given that many Tiger, Demon level and Dragon levels (ie. the meteor or Boros' cannon shells) he punches do or don't explode.

Basically, you're now saying that Armoured Boros' armour took the brunt of the punch, and that it's the same level of power he used to severely injure Unleashed/Meteoric Burst Boros, so you're invalidating your own point by saying that he can't actually withstand them.

Are they all supposed to be counters? I thought I could see a punch or two, but I could be wrong.
 
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Not putting effort nor intentionally holding back. Other situations are, well, other situations. For example, against Carnage Kabuto and Deep Sea King he likely exerted a bit more power than normal due to his emotions, or when he says he holding back (against Rover) or is obviously holding back (fodders), we know he's intentionally trying not to kill them. Do you think Murata is gonna make it so every opponent gets one shotted on the exact level they should?

I'm saying his armor took it, not Boros himself, idk how that's inconsistent, furthermore, I actually said the contrary to him using the same power as normal. He uses his serious expression (or at least slightly serious around the start) throughout the rest of the fight after the first blow, which implies he's taking Boros somewhat seriously. That also narratively makes sense for reasons I covered not too long ago (the Boros fight is not comedic and Boros is in Saitama's general league, just not close to his actual level).

Yes? You're saying Saitama punched Boros and it got treated as a random, off-panel, literally irrelevant attack? That's completely ridiculous in every way. Scaling wise and narratively speaking.
 
So which ones specific ones does and doesn't he take restraint against? It seems like you're invalidating your own point again. Do you think One and Murata care enough to establish a solid baseline strength when all Saitama does is one-shot his opponents?

I'm not saying it's inconsistent, I'm saying that you're literally making a case for why Armoured Boros' didn't actually withstand a punch from Saitama, which defeats the purpose of scaling his suppressed form above most of Saitama's adversaries.

I could see them all being counters, but your logic is here awful. It was already established that Saitama had an entire off-screen portion of the fight where he tore off Boros' arm.

Here's another thing, why do we even have an Armoured Boros key to begin with?
 
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Do I think ONE and Murata care about how strong Saitama is beyond "xd he one shot people"? Yes I do. And idk what you're even asking at the start there.

What? It just means Boros' armor is above his actual durability, I fail to see your point.

"but your logic is awful" Yeah sure. As for the rest...and? You literally just defeated your own point. He blows off Boros' arm "off-screen" (even though we briefly see his fist traveling towards Boros before it happens) but doesn't even harm him with another, literally hypothetical "off-screen" punch.
 
That's not what I meant or said, at all. What I asked is if they care about the exact level of power he uses to indiscriminately one-shot opponents.

I asked you where the line would be drawn with your own logic that Saitama does use more strength against some opponents, like CK or DSK.

You're saying that Boros' Armour took the brunt of the punch, and arguing that Armoured Boros scales above Saitama's previous opponents because he withstood that same punch.

My entire point is that he uses different levels of power, so no I haven't. It's the crux of my argument.
 
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Determining a baseline for his normal punches is a large part of determining his strength in general, so yes, I would think they care about it, even if not, that really doesn't disprove anything. As for when he starts to use more strength, either when it's logical for his emotions to drive him to do so, or when he begins to get serious. The level of power it takes to make him get serious is obviously vague, but would be somewhere in what people describe as Above Dragon.

When I say Armored Boros, am I talking about Boros himself? No, I'm talking about Boros and the literal armor that's on him, giving him the name Armored Boros.

"Yeah Saitama punched him even though we don't see it, nor is it remotely implied, despite Saitama's punches inspiring the name of the series and being focused on every time he does throw a punch in a fight, including the Boros fight, and it also did no damage. But at the same time when we actually see him punch Saitama blows off Boros' arm, so yeah it's likely that Saitama at least threw some blows in their exchange." But you already agreed that you could see them all being counters so the point is irrelevant now anyways.
 
The point of his strength is supposed to be that it's ludicrous and undeterminable (or "unfair", "limitless", "unnatural", "not normal", etc, as characters in the series say) because he one-shots powerful opponents with little to no effort on his part. Saitama's actual limitations are then slowly expanded upon throughout the series by having him fight extraordinarily opponents, like Boros and Garou.

"that really doesn't disprove anything" You haven't really given anything conclusive to begin with, though neither have I tbh.

I'm not asking when he becomes serious. You said before that he could have put in more CK and DSK, so I was (emphasis on was due to the next point) asking you to expand on that logic.

If you're just talking about the durability of his armour and not his other physicals, then ok. This conversation is over. Personally, I don't even see the purpose in having an AB key at that point.

Which is a crock of b.s because we literally didn't see the punch that blew his arm off, just that they had some sort of on-screen bout. As for the clashes (at the very least Boros punching and Saitama blocking) that I showed, they're fully on-screen, just at extremely high speeds. Also, there's tons of off-screen punches from Satiama in the series, though the monsters are typically dead or not around afterwards because they aren't Boros.
 
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"Saitama's actual limitations are then slowly expanded upon throughout the series" Yes, that's the thing. Overtime, we see characters who are in his general league and can make him get at least a little serious. The way we can determine how much power his normal punches output (not in detail but just to some degree) is via using these characters who can take his normal punches without suffering lethal damage. These characters, you'll notice, are all around a similar level. Rover and ENW aren't worth mentioning, but there are three characters who are. Saitama looked to get slightly serious against Orochi, who technically didn't die in one punch (although got destroyed when Saitama fully landed an actual blow onto Orochi), and Orochi was able to counter one of Saitama's attacks (although Orochi did of course see it coming, but nonetheless it's impressive), the reason this is notable is because Orochi is sort of the "gatekeeper" to Above Dragon. He's a god tier no doubt, but among the weakest of them. Saitama didn't beat him as easily as almost every other foe, but he didn't really try too much and wasn't particularly impressed. Boros took several normal punches, was the first enemy after breaking his limiter to genuinely impress Saitama, and made him get serious. Awakened Garou took many attacks, countered many attacks, and even seemed to briefly match Saitama in an exchange of blows against a Two-Handed Consecutive Normal Punches (also got Saitama serious as well, of course). We can see that there are people who are able to impress Saitama and make a noticeable impact. We even see this directly said by Saitama. Most opponents are so weak and don't impress him to any degree, so it's hard for him to even tell the difference between them and other people. But occasionally (as-in usually around the end of an arc), Saitama encounters an opponent who does stand out. They don't just get taken out with one blow, they can impress him, surprise him, and make him put a bit of effort into the fight.

Ok.

I'm just saying that his emotional states in both encounters means he likely didn't use completely standard punches against them. Against CK he was in distress because he thought he missed the bargain sale, although of course that's just a comedy thing. Against DSK (a much more serious tone), Saitama arrived late on the battlefield, arriving just in time to see Mumen Rider get defeated after putting up the best fight he can, and being genuinely worried for Genos, who looked pretty much dead. He even makes a clear insult to DSK and seems a bit serious when standing up. So the possibility that he could've been using more power there makes sense, I'm not saying he definitely did though, of course, nor is it too relevant to this discussion, just a minor thing to note.

Alright.

Was it anime only when his fist moved forwards towards Boros right before Boros' arm got taken off? Yes, they're on screen, but Saitama throws no visible punches. And we can assume Boros literally getting maimed was due to a specific attack near the end of their clash. I severely doubt Saitama threw any punches before then, and assuming he did is theoretical at best. Of course, that's not what I mean though. If Saitama punches someone in a fight, we're almost certainly going to see it unless it's intentionally put off-screen for the sake of either humor or just not wasting time. In Boros case, if the dismembering punch was only shown in the anime, then there was one instance where we didn't see Saitama's punch, but obviously we don't need to see it to know what happened to cause that injury, anyways.
 
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