STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

[Six_fold_god]

There is no consistency. The reason is it's inconsistency. huh? In any case, he was very careful when throwing a serious punch in order not to damage the city. so, that rationale is irrelevant to this. Also, even if the punch strength is different, when the data book says that one punch does not work, it is evident that Armor Boros is stronger than a meteorite.

The author clearly intended the reader to think that saitama's previous punch is not working

 

[Six_fold_god]

The author has no reason to cause the reader to intentionally misinterpret information in this situation. Considering the strength of the unsealed Boros, the author did not deceive the reader, so what the reader understands is the writer's semi intention

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

Yeah Gyro Gyro thought both of them could take on Tats, but individually in her mind they're most likely in the same ball park as EC otherwise they wouldn't be able to do shit against Tats.

 

[ImposingTiger]

Gyoro Gyoro implied that HE + Black Sperm > Tatsumaki, and GG thought Tatsumaki > or = Elder Centipede, so HE should be superior to EC.

That just means HE+BS > EC

 

[ImposingTiger]

the data book says that one punch does not work, it is evident that Armor Boros is stronger than a meteorite.

scans?

 

[Six_fold_god]

scans?

The raw databook is slightly different from the English translation

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

There is no consistency. The reason is it's inconsistency. huh? In any case, he was very careful when throwing a serious punch in order not to damage the city. so, that rationale is irrelevant to this. Also, even if the punch strength is different, when the data book says that one punch does not work, it is evident that Armor Boros is stronger than a meteorite.

The author clearly intended the reader to think that saitama's previous punch is not working

You do know that he doesn't have a fix set for his regular powers right? His first punch not working just means Boros was stronger Ethan he anticipated, not stronger than the meteorite

Also after the that, he only started holding back and not just one shotting him is because he pitied Boros

 

[Six_fold_god]

You do know that he doesn't have a fix set for his regular powers right? His first punch not working just means Boros was stronger Ethan he anticipated, not stronger than the meteorite

Also after the that, he only started holding back and not just one shotting him is because he pitied Boros

Justify it. Where is the evidence? Does it mean that there is no constant power? So, if the punches aren't constant, why say one punch doesn't work? What does burying so many enemies have to do with Boros? This is because the author wants the reader to understand that the one-punch that reader has seen so far does not work.

 

[Six_fold_god]

The databook explains the storypart in consideration of the reader's understanding. The data book didn't lie, because Saitama's greatest strength reader've seen is a meteorite punch at that story point. And since databook only talking about the one-punch that Saitama has made to this point.

 

[Six_fold_god]

Does author give up the concept of one punch, saitama's biggest personality, just to express Saitama's mistakes? This is nonsense and very strange. Why was Saitama surprised? If he just hit boros weaker than the enemy he was faced, he was not faced a strong enemy at meet armord boros. Does that mean that Saitama isn't even aware of his mistakes?

 

[Kin201]

Sorry pal, Saitama's first punch on Boros isn't necessarily as strong as the punch on the giant meteorite and the context in the databook is vague to begin with. Just as others said, it just means that Boros was stronger than Saitama guessed he should be. We go with the negative in this case, we're not going with the positive based on a vague noted statement.

Does author give up the concept of one punch, saitama's biggest personality, just to express Saitama's mistakes? This is nonsense and very strange. Why was Saitama surprised?

Just ask the author, not us.

 

[ByAsura]

All the databook says (at least according to you) is "one-punch which buried many strong opponents, doesn't work." The meteorite wasn't technically an opponent, and it's unknown how much strength he even put into that punch.

 

[Six_fold_god]

All the databook says (at least according to you) is "one-punch which buried many strong opponents, doesn't work." The meteorite wasn't technically an opponent, and it's unknown how much strength he even put into that punch.

It may mean that (as an ambiguity), but the databook says that the reader's interpretation of the story, Saitama in a corner because onepunch didn't work. Than it is true that meteorites are also included.

 

[Six_fold_god]

Sorry pal, Saitama's first punch on Boros isn't necessarily as strong as the punch on the giant meteorite and the context in the databook is vague to begin with. Just as others said, it just means that Boros was stronger than Saitama guessed he should be. We go with the negative in this case, we're not going with the positive based on a vague noted statement.

Just ask the author, not us.

No.. I'm just wanted youguys to interpret the author's intention. to agree with each other . even when we look at pictures and calculate, don't we guess what the author intended?

 

[ByAsura]

Firstly, "may claim" does not mean you're right. You're the one making the claim, so it's up to you to prove that's the intent. Secondly, all definitions of opponent I've ever found mention the word "someone" or "person", while the meteor is not a living, let alone conscious, entity and certainly isn't a person.

 

[Six_fold_god]

It may mean that (as an ambiguity), but the databook says that the reader's interpretation of the story, Saitama in a corner because onepunch didn't work. Than it is true that meteorites are also included.

Also author compares the punch that hit Saitama's Armored Boros with the punch that punch from true form Boros in the same composition. 6-B is meaningful when there is not much difference.

 

[ByAsura]

Again, we have no reason to assume the meteor punch was on par with typical hits, like the one that killed Vaccine Man.

 

[Six_fold_god]

Firstly, "may claim" does not mean you're right. You're the one making the claim, so it's up to you to prove that's the intent. Secondly, all definitions of opponent I've ever found mention the word "someone" or "person", while the meteor is not a living, let alone conscious, entity and certainly isn't a person.

Knowing that, I am justifying it now.

And the sentence has two meanings. A more detailed description of punches, or reducing the category of casual punche in sentence to only punches against conscious enemies.

 

[ByAsura]

You haven't justified it, though. Because you're using "may claim" and possibilities as the justification.

Please elaborate.

 

[Six_fold_god]

You haven't justified it, though. Because you're using "may claim" and possibilities as the justification.

Please elaborate.

Well, I'm not sure what you mean by justifying a possibility. Doesn't the high probability that the punch is random also justify the possibility? All justifications other than what the author did not explicitly state in the first place are all high possiblty thing.

 

[ByAsura]

What evidence do you have that it was even a random punch? No, that's not how justification works. If you make a claim, you have to prove it.

 

[Six_fold_god]

What evidence do you have that it was even a random punch? No, that's not how justification works. If you make a claim, you have to prove it.

I have already proven it with high probability guess. In fiction, everything the author doesn't reveal is just speculation. Whether it's time or whether it's melted or evaporated. Still, if wiki don't use guesses, are there any exceptions to the justification for the calc? What evidence is there that dragons are far stronger than demons? It is a guess through description, that is, it is highly probable. Not 100 percent true.

 

[ByAsura]

Again, you haven't actually proven anything except that the punch he used on Boros also killed many enemies.

Whether it's time or whether it's melted or evaporated. Still, if wiki don't use guesses, are there any exceptions to the justification for the calc?

I didn't say we don't guess, the difference is that our guesses actually have evidence. Your evidence is literally that Saitama's punch against Boros had also beaten many opponents prior. That does not mean it's the same one he used to destroy a meteor, which can't even be considered an opponent in the literal sense, millions of times more powerful than them.

Also, once again, you need to elaborate on why he would even be referring to the meteor.

What evidence is there that dragons are far stronger than demons? It is a guess through description, that is, it is highly probable. Not 100 percent true.

Because it's literally stated in the series and shown through power scaling (namely, S-Classes are S-Classes because they're capable of singlehandedly defeating Demon levels). Even then, there's high-end Demon levels and low-end Dragon levels.

 

[Six_fold_god]

Again, you haven't actually proven anything except that the punch he used on Boros also killed many enemies.

Whether it's time or whether it's melted or evaporated. Still, if wiki don't use guesses, are there any exceptions to the justification for the calc?

I didn't say we don't guess, the difference is that our guesses actually have evidence. Your evidence is literally that Saitama's punch against Boros had also beaten many opponents prior. That does not mean it's the same one he used to destroy a meteor, which can't even be considered an opponent in the literal sense, millions of times more powerful than them.

Also, once again, you need to elaborate on why he would even be referring to the meteor.

What evidence is there that dragons are far stronger than demons? It is a guess through description, that is, it is highly probable. Not 100 percent true.

Because it's literally stated in the series and shown through power scaling (namely, S-Classes are S-Classes because they're capable of singlehandedly defeating Demon levels). Even then, there's high-end Demon levels and low-end Dragon levels.

I misunderstood what you said. Sorry. But I have already given my another reasons. If the writer wants the reader to understand that Saitama's use of a meteorite punch works for Boros. There is no reason to explain the story in the databook that Saitama seems to be cornered because Saitama's own one-punch doesn't work for the boros. Because it makes Saitama appear to have no means left.

 

[ByAsura]

What if literally any other reader says they disagree with your interpretation? That's why we don't use this logic, we try to use as many facts as possible.

 

[Six_fold_god]

What if literally any other reader says they disagree with your interpretation? That's why we don't use this logic, we try to use as many facts as possible.

okay I agree with the wiki's policy on that point. That's the smart way. However, disagreeing with this interpretation makes the databook itself unreliable, as it means that the author intentionally deceives his intentions as opposed to wanting the reader to know his intentions from the book in the databook.

 

[ByAsura]

Or, you know, we could just take the databook's words at face value and not add in our own interpretation based on conjecture.

 

[ImposingTiger]

It's harder than it seems. But I wouldn't be surprised if Armored Boros was stronger than the meteor, being an above dragon. So maybe the databook statement could be somehow a justification for that, althogh it's ambiguous.

 

[Six_fold_god]

Or, you know, we could just take the databook's words at face value and not add in our own interpretation based on nothing.

If so, I personally think it is better to use possibly tier. Interpretation is questionable, but still because it has a high probability.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Just something interesting I noticed about the differences for the manga and anime versions of the Boros fight because I'm bored

1. In the manga, when Boros is using the CSRC, Saitama has this somewhat concerned looking face although in the anime, Saitama's face is replaced with the very serious face he had when he walked away after the fight. The manga implies Saitama sees CSRC as likely a genuine threat while the anime implies Saitama has pity

2. Anime Boros has Low-High regeneration while Manga Boros only has High-Mid

3. The Anime excludes Saitama's own thoughts on the moon about how Boros was a jerk and that this was almost a real fight, and how he has uncertainty if he could return.

4. The anime portrays Boros using melting much more than the manga does, as showcase in the extra content that the Meteoric Burst has in the anime, such as when he just melts his ship by merely moving.

5. The Black Boros color scheme is sick.

6. Sealed Boros has somewhat different design in the anime and manga. In the anime, Boros' armor is more simplistic and is designed like regular armor. However, Manga Boros' armor seems to be almost organically a part of him somehow. This mainly evident in the anime where Boros' armor just cracks off normally, but in the manga, you can clearly see it's somewhat attached to his body when it breaks.

 

[ImposingTiger]

Just something interesting I noticed about the differences for the manga and anime versions of the Boros fight because I'm bored

1. In the manga, when Boros is using the CSRC, Saitama has this somewhat concerned looking face although in the anime, Saitama's face is replaced with the very serious face he had when he walked away after the fight. The manga implies Saitama sees CSRC as likely a genuine threat while the anime implies Saitama has pity

2. Anime Boros has Low-High regeneration while Manga Boros only has High-Mid

3. The Anime excludes Saitama's own thoughts on the moon about how Boros was a jerk and that this was almost a real fight, and how he has uncertainty if he could return.

4. The anime portrays Boros using melting much more than the manga does, as showcase in the extra content that the Meteoric Burst has in the anime, such as when he just melts his ship by merely moving.

5. The Black Boros color scheme is sick.

6. Sealed Boros has somewhat different design in the anime and manga. In the anime, Boros' armor is more simplistic and is designed like regular armor. However, Manga Boros' armor seems to be almost organically a part of him somehow. This mainly evident in the anime where Boros' armor just cracks off normally, but in the manga, you can clearly see it's somewhat attached to his body when it breaks.

Also, when Released Boros punches Saitama, he launches him flying and breaks 2 pillars. In the anime however, he breaks some more.

Murata also said Boros was initially going to have a 4th form, but he discarded the idea. My headcanon is that Black-Yellow Boros was that 4th form.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Can we have a black yellow Boros pic on the profile pls uwu

 

[Ourosboros]

If we go by Gyro Gyro's words then Homeless is around the same level as EC. Also we already accept similar scaling as its on some of the profiles so by that logic a few people could scale to the calc.

My understanding is that the Gyoro Gyoro statement makes it clear that Tatsumaki could beat EC and that Homeless and Black Sperm would beat Tatsumaki. So together, they're superior to EC. Black Sperm's AP should probably be "varies, up to 7-B", since he would scale to EC but he gets progressively weaker as he splits. However, I do not see that being proof that EC =~ Homeless, we know that Tatsumaki can beat EC (might be a stomp in Gyoro Gyoro's opinion) and that Homeless can beat Tatsumaki with BS's help.

Revisiting the EC scaling...

EC = 18 megatons,
Current Garou/Rover's durability/Darkshine's Durability > Darkshine's AP = Spiral Garou/Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist > Bang+Bomb 1st combo move = EC's durability > EC's AP = 18 megatons, EC < Black Sperm and Homeless (Homeless scales higher with his own feats anyways so no change), Atomic and Flashy =~ Spiral Garou (would beat Garou).

So... Bang/Bomb scale (higher with Cross Fang), Spiral Garou, Darkshine, Atomic, Flashy, Black Sperm (max AP) and Rover are all going to be in the same "7-B, possibly 7-A" tier. Obviously this scaling might change next chapter when Bomb surprises us all and fights evenly with Garou (hope that doesn't happen without well explained crazy buffs or hidden techniques, etc).

 

[LordTracer]

You forgot Fubuki reeeeeeeee

 

[JirensMom]

I mean Gyro Gyro stated that before Elder Centipede molted and got even bigger and stronger so maybe he can scale possibly to Homeless Emperor?

 

[Peter1129]

@Ourosboros Didn‘t Darkshine only say Atomic Samurai and Flashy Flash could beat Garou before he pulled out Cross Fang Dragon Slayer and started evolving? So right now at least in the manga they don’t really scale to 7-B. Unless I’m mistaken and we are currently treating even Pre-Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Garou as 7-B?

 

[LordTracer]

Unless I’m mistaken and we are currently treating even Pre-Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Garou as 7-B?

His durability scales to Rover’s AP, Atomic and Flashy would scale to his dura since they can defeat him.

 

[Peter1129]

Oh right Rover. Completely forgot its AP is way lower than it’s durability.

 

[Ourosboros]

@Ourosboros Didn‘t Darkshine only say Atomic Samurai and Flashy Flash could beat Garou before he pulled out Cross Fang Dragon Slayer and started evolving? So right now at least in the manga they don’t really scale to 7-B. Unless I’m mistaken and we are currently treating even Pre-Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Garou as 7-B?

Cross Fang would upscale from EC's durability being superior to the technique that shattered his carapace, and if sleeping Garou downscales from Cross Fang Garou (Spiral Garou), then that version of Garou would be around EC's level, yes. So Atomic and Flashy would be 7-B

EC's durability < Cross Fang > Garou that fought Darkshine before removing his limiter

 

[Ourosboros]

His durability scales to Rover’s AP, Atomic and Flashy would scale to his dura since they can defeat him.

Post Royal Ripper Garou survived several direct attacks from Rover, the Garou that first fought Darkshine (the one atomic and FF would beat) is considerably more durable than that version of Garou, because Garou went from nearly dying to Rover's blasts to standing inside Orochi's blasts and then got some time to rest and recover.