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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

I definitely know that's an outlier. But the point is, over certain level of gap. Outlier doesn't happen. For example, there are no A-class heros that survive dragons attack. even if they survive dsk or the 100 -eyed octopus attack.
 
Piercing/Slashing attacks are very deadly and effective compared to blunt force attacks. I think characters that have shown to have incredibly tough skin such as Darkshine, Elder Centipede and Gouketsu are probably the only ones who can supposedly tank those attacks from weaklings with no issue.
 
Piercing damage is just one of those really inconsistent thing that we kinda just have deal with.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
Have you forgotten that before the battle with Darkshine, God changed into his stronger form (He saw that he could not even scratch Shine in his base, but was sure that he would defeat him in the next form).
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What does this mean btw? What God is there?
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Isn't Nyan the type to toy with his victims?
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I think he only wanted to toy with Waganma. He actually didn't care much about other heroes and abandoned them to pursue the kid. They actually survived his attacks, that's outlier or PIS even if he surpressed.

Edit: Nevermind, I just reread the chapter, he actually wanted to toy with them too.
 
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Ourosboros said:
In this scaling chain, there's so many steps between HHG Garou and current Garou, yet we still entertain the possibility that current Garou could be low 7-B to some degree, even though he's stronger than someone who was strong enough to casually pulverize someone who was far too durable for his 1.22 megatons form. By our scaling, a fight between Hero Hunter Garou and current Garou wouldn't be a total stomp from an AP perspective using the low 7-B end- even though we know that current Garou could very casually pulverize the Garou that fought Royal Ripper (base bug god was more durable than this Garou).
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This is part of why I think it's necessary to get the Genos calc redone. Let's say it gets like 1.8 Megatons. Here's a more conservative(number wise) scaling chain.
Puri Puri Prisoner curbstomps a DSK tier monster (who would scale to that) at less than half power. Making full power Puri >(1.8*2 MT)
A sleeping Garou cubstomps a full power Puri Puri prisoner. Darkshine while not powered up at all is able to handle this sleepwalking feral Garou with ease, likely scaling him above 4 megatons.
The Awoken(lol) Garou in turn handles base Darkshine with ease himself prompting Darkshine to say the difference in muscle power and coordination between asleep and awake is drastic.
The S class heroes that Darkshine said would stomp this Garou can scale to 5-6 megatons likely. And then it goes onto full power Darkshine and evolving Garou etc etc.

Of course there are other ways for this scaling chain to go. We could use Murata's statement about how Darkshine would destroy the DSK tier monster with a light touch and make something out of that.
Or we could go the route of Full power Darkshine>>Carnage Mode>>>>>>>base Carnage Kabuto taking a deep breathe>>Genos blast
Or the route of Casual Base Darkshine>>>Transformed Bug God>Base Bug God's durability>Royal Ripper's AP being redirected at double power>Red Garou>>TTM>>G4 Genos>>>>Bos Genos.
 
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Ourosboros said:
Because Darkshine still is incredibly powerful, if you go around one-shotting dragon level threats and "steamrolling" someone like Black Sperm, it's hard not to get arrogant. Once Darkshine really takes damage and gets physically broken by a superior opponent like Awakened Garou, we'll see where he really is.
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What I meant is that the original treats it far different. It actually breaks his confidence and will to fight for a much longer time.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
That's only a theory

Also I think you mean piercing damage.
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Yes, that's what I meant. Stupid translator.

In fact, it would be worthwhile for the VSB to make some page on piercing attacks. Many characters have high toughness against normal attacks, but not piercing attacks. Characters such as Spider-Man, Atomic Samurai or Sonic are definitely not bulletproof and a regular knife will not break on their body due to its strength. But they will withstand just strong blows.
 
I want to do one calculation, but for that I need to know the size of Orochi's clenched fist. Which scan should I use for this? Garou's head is different compared to Orochi's fist in these scans. The result from this will vary greatly.

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It seems to me that it is better to use the first scan. Because this moment takes up the whole scan, not a small frame. This means that Murata drew this moment in more detail and accurately than on the second scan, where it occupies one small frame. Also, the fist is drawn in more detail there.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
In fact, it would be worthwhile for the VSB to make some page on piercing attacks.
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Look at the Attack Potency page. There’s a note about piercing damage, which says:
When used with an equal amount of energy, sharp and spiky weapons tend to be able to overcome higher durability than blunt ones. However, this can not be considered proper Durability Negation. If a sharp or pointy weapon is shown to have kinetic energy on the level of a certain tier, it can contribute towards the character receiving an unquantified "possibly higher" rating.
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What I'm talking about is that many characters have a piercing damage weakness. For example, they can withstand, for example, piercing attacks of the wall level at a maximum, but they can withstand 8-B attacks.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
I want to do one calculation, but for that I need to know the size of Orochi's clenched fist. Which scan should I use for this? Garou's head is different compared to Orochi's fist in these scans. The result from this will vary greatly.

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It seems to me that it is better to use the first scan. Because this moment takes up the whole scan, not a small frame. This means that Murata drew this moment in more detail and accurately than on the second scan, where it occupies one small frame. Also, the fist is drawn in more detail there.
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I would say use the first scan and find the size using Garou's head
 
DarthSpiderr said:
What I'm talking about is that many characters have a piercing damage weakness. For example, they can withstand, for example, piercing attacks of the wall level at a maximum, but they can withstand 8-B attacks.
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It's more of a verse thing. Some verses overrate piercing damage compared to others.
 
Huh... so I calced Ultimate Jet Drive Straight (jet nice guy's ultimate move) and got 0.05 tons of tnt for it. If this calc gets accepted, I think we'll have middle of the road 9-A scaling for most of the a-class, since a bunch of guys scale to Wild Horn who also has a 9-A feat. So right now, we'll have...

c-class: varies from at least street level to wall level (mumen rider),

B-class: mostly wall level with a few small building level (Mizuki, Needlestar, Jet Nice Guy)

A-class: mostly small building level, one large building level (spring mustachio) and a couple block levels (Stinger, Snek, Lightning Max, Great Philosopher)
 
Also, this changes the type of Orochi's "Large Size" in the third form.

By the way, this is not the limit of his speed. He managed to react and catch Saitama, who, in 5 or 3 seconds, reached tunnel. I don't know how much I will get, but I think it will be a couple of thousand Machs.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
Oh. What if this tunnel is removed in the redrawn chapter? Or vice versa, will make it even larger.
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This may happen. If I had known what you were calculating, I would have cautioned you against doing this until the redraw comes. Murata has said he will redraw this chapter, surely it will come in a few months.

Hopefully this feat remains, or Orochi gets a better one. I am hopeful that the latter will be true, since Murata seemingly wants to make Orochi vs. Saitama a more epic and convincing final fight for season 3.
 
Perhaps he will make Orochi stronger in the same way so that he does not seem so weak against the background of Psykorochi.

I think there will be at least one attack that will be visible from space, haha, classic. Does the third season seem to end in a fight with Orochi? Then it would make sense to make impacts that are visible from space.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
Perhaps he will make Orochi stronger in the same way so that he does not seem so weak against the background of Psykorochi.

I think there will be at least one attack that will be visible from space, haha, classic. Does the third season seem to end in a fight with Orochi? Then it would make sense to make impacts that are visible from space.
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I agree, I think he wants to make Orochi just seem stronger in general. Right now, it is a common belief that he is weaker than Genos, we even have him weaker than a confirmed dragon level (not dragon or above), the meteor. Most people I know either consider him the very weakest an above dragon can be, or not even an above dragon in the first place.
 
Remember how I said we were almost done with the LOW-TIER OPM CRT? Well I was wrong. We have several new calcs to consider, 1 for Jet Nice Guy, 1 for Kombu Infinity, 1 for Dave and 1 for Golden Ball's durability. I just resummarized all the agreed upon changes and the changes that still need to be debated in the thread.

Also, there's no way on earth I'm going to be able to implement all these changes before I leave for my new job. Emirp, could you take responsibility for the remaining changes? I will tell you on Saturday what's left, because that's the last time I can work on anything
 
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