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Ok. So with all of this my conclusion are:

1- HE's feat should be calced with pulverization, as it is stated to be made from the same energy as VM.

2- VM's durability doesn't scale to his energy balls' AP because he is stated to gather energy from the earth and not to produce it by himself.
1. I think we could do a pulverization low end and a vap high end.
2. VM literally tanked the massive explosion he caused from his light orbs in ch. 1 so he scales.
 
What's with all this talk about trying to make VM a glass cannon or downgrade him in some way? This is like the third time in the past week or so this has been brought up.
 
What's with all this talk about trying to make VM a glass cannon or downgrade him in some way? This is like the third time in the past week or so this has been brought up.
Because he draws his balls from an external source and not from himself
 
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oh ok well since he did tank an explosion caused by his light orbs we could just change his AP and Striking Strength to unknown physically and 7-B with light orbs.
That doesn't mean he scales. He scales to THAT particular explosion, not to his strongest attack, which is 30 Megatons. The explosion he tanked wasn't even High 7-C. So no, scaling his physical durability to the 7-B calc is not correct.
 
Even if he did scale to his strongest explosions, you'd technically have to divide by surface area.

Edit: Actually, he was seemingly in the dead centre. He still wouldn't have tanked the full explosion, but you can't account for surface area at that range.
 
Even if he did scale to his strongest explosions, you'd technically have to divide by surface area.

Edit: Actually, he was seemingly in the dead centre. He still wouldn't have tanked the full explosion, but you can't account for surface area at that range.
Give me calc speed saitama
 
Give me calc speed saitama
I haven't a clue what this supposed 1.67 C calculation is.

Edit: The main page says this is 1.67 C, so it's just an older version of the calc that's already on his page.
How about this as a suggestion. We scale VM physically to low 7-B for being a dragon and 7-B with light orbs. VM is not a normal guy like HE and is heavily implied to be a very strong dragon.
I have to disagree. They called him Dragon level in the manga because of the destruction created by his energy orbs, and the Hero Encyclopedia doesn't say his physicals are on that level (I'd say they are in his monster form, though). "Strong" could also be used in the same context as "powerful" and refer to his blasts instead of raw power.
 
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I have to disagree. They called him Dragon level in the manga because of the destruction created by his energy orbs, and the Hero Encyclopedia doesn't say his physicals are on that level (I'd say they are in his monster form, though). "Strong" could also be used in the same context as "powerful" and refer to his blasts instead of raw power.
The possibly or likely rating should probably be applied in this case then, since we scale most Dragon-level threats to Low 7-B unless contradicted.
 
In this case, his physicals have no reason to scale to his Dragon level energy balls, so it is contradicted.
 
In this case, his physicals have no reason to scale to his Dragon level energy balls, so it is contradicted.
We already agreed to that, but is there any reason he shouldn't physically scale to being baseline dragon level? If not would a likely or possibly low 7-B physically and 7-B with light orbs work?
 
There's no evidence that his physicals do make him Dragon level, though, only his energy orbs. I'd say his monster form scales because he increases the size of individual limbs to minimise energy consumption, strongly implying that his true form takes a ton of energy to maintain.
 
There's no evidence that his physicals do make him Dragon level, though, only his energy orbs. I'd say his monster form scales because he increases the size of individual limbs to minimise energy consumption, strongly implying that his true form takes a ton of energy to maintain.
I mean, Nyan scales to dragon level physically despite not showing feats on that level, whose to say his speed and ability to become really thin isn't what made him a dragon? He can practically beat any demon by entering an orifice and attacking their organs and if you add his speed to that too then he could easily kill multiple cities worth of people making him eligible for dragon. I don't really see why not scaling vaccine man to baseline dragon is a problem.
 
@Semi Because those abilities aren't destructive, which is the explicit requirements for the Disaster levels. Plus, it's a false equivalence because the executive all but stated his explosions were what made him Dragon level.

I really don't see why you're all pushing this with no evidence.
 
On a different topic, one of the power suits made Pig God bleed.

Also, I think we should give manga Fuhrer Ugly a varies rating. His lowest power level seems to be against Sweet Mask, whom he could only injure a little (and even then, Sweet Mask's presence could have made him feel more worthless), while the highest level we've seen from him obliterated Gums.
 
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On a different topic, one of the power suits made Pig God bleed.

Also, I think we should give manga Fuhrer Ugly a varies rating. His lowest power level seems to be against Sweet Mask, whom he could only injure a little, while the highest level we've seen from him obliterated Gums.
That seems like a good idea

For the power suits, I feel like that's a gag scene than actual powerscaling, as the power suits are consistently much lower
 
It's not portrayed as a gag scene, but I could see it being an outlier.
 
Given that the calculation was changed, new ends might have also been decided on. There were more than a few threads about this.
 
Is Saitama's FTL based on the fact that he "perceives" the movement of stones?
His catching stones has always seemed strange to me. It was never directly shown that he caught the stones (especially considering that they are destroyed after the collision). He could quite lift one of the stones off the floor. As well as the fact that he perceives stones as "30 centimeters per second".

But I'd rather not say anything.
 
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