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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Don't care abut VM and all that stuff, but about the databook, I'm pretty sure all of the statements about Flashy Flash and such are from the Hero Association, unless I'm thinking of a different guide, which makes them already slightly questionable from the start, but they can't be from the HA about CK, because they don't even know he existed. Not to mention them knowing everything about Genus.

And also, this doesn't come off as a hyperbole statement. The guide stating that Atomic is a "demi-god" when angered is blatant hyperbole, and is meant to be viewed that way. It's the kind of statements used on characters purely for hype, and doesn't come off as something meant to be taken literally. Even the Flashy Flash being light speed statement very much comes off as intentional hyperbole. (Also he is still close to light speed anyways)

CK's statement in question is "on a physical level, he possesses abilities that are in an incomparably higher league than the monsters so far". That doesn't come off as hyperbole, that comes off a direct statement of his power.

What would be the statements I'm referring to is stuff like the book stating "Even powerful attacks are meaningless against Carnage Kabuto". And later saying "His cuticle is like an iron fortress". The point being that these are just ways to emphasize how durable he is through hyperbole or analogy, and are irrelevant as actual statements. More of this is seen in the databook's statement about his AP. "A single blow from his fist floored even Genos, who boasted armor of steel, as if he were glasswork".
 
Ah yeah so the Heroes are all done by the HA. Then yes I think CK's statement is totally accurate, as it was likely written from the viewpoint of an author, not from the HA, as that just doesn't make sense, on top of the other points I just made. I was skimming through the messages then came to the bottom cause people were only talking about VM, but I just read the last few.
 
Also, seeing as Carnage Mode is listed separately, that implies the statement is referring to base CK. Meaning base CK>>>>>>>>>>>>VM and Beefcake. And Carnage Mode was strong enough for CK to believe he could defeat Saitama, even though previously he knew that he would get one shotted and was practically pissing himself after getting a hint of his strength for even a moment.

Naturally, Darkshine and those whose AP and dura scale to him would also scale to this.
 
Also, seeing as Vaccine man is 30 megatons (almost half of the peak of city level), and CK is described as being in an "incomparably higher league", is that proof enough to say for sure that base CK is blatantly mountain level, with Carnage Mode CK being "At least" mountain level?
 
RinneItachi said:
Also, seeing as Vaccine man is 30 megatons (almost half of the peak of city level), and CK is described as being in an "incomparably higher league", is that proof enough to say for sure that base CK is blatantly mountain level, with Carnage Mode CK being "At least" mountain level?
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Nah we can't upscale that much.
 
I mean, it's just a 2.20 times difference between Vaccine Man and the pinnacle of his tier. To say that CK is in an "incomparably higher league" very much implies more than just a 2.20 times difference.
 
Ah so Vaccine Man might become High 7-A or 6-C anyways. Placing base CK likely at Island level either way with how small the High 7-A tier is (possibly at High 6-C depending on what Vaccine Man actually gets), with Carnage Mode CK probably ending up being a likely High 6-C.
 
RinneItachi said:
I mean, it's just a 2.20 times difference between Vaccine Man and the pinnacle of his tier. To say that CK is in an "incomparably higher league" very much implies more than just a 2.20 times difference.
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That's not how upscaling works tho. Being incomparably higher does not give a 2.2x multiplier

RinneItachi said:
Also, seeing as Vaccine man is 30 megatons (almost half of the peak of city level), and CK is described as being in an "incomparably higher league", is that proof enough to say for sure that base CK is blatantly mountain level, with Carnage Mode CK being "At least" mountain level?
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No, the only reason CK or anyone even scales to 7-A is because of EC possibly scaling above gouketsu via Geno's putting EC above a casual Gouketsu.
 
It's a matter of implications. Saying that this statement doesn't at least imply far more than a mere 2.2 times difference is practically ignoring the statement entirely beyond it meaning he's stronger in general.

? CK currently isn't 7-A outside of a possibility for being able to somewhat match Darkshine, and VA is only city level cause of his 30 megaton feat. Idk how that stuff is relevant.
 
"A character was stated to be extremely more powerful than another character, but let's just assume they're more or less equal because we don't have any detailed explanation of what the difference is" is basically the argument.
 
I'm also pretty sure characters have upscaled from lower tiers in the past based on just statements before, as well.
 
RinneItachi said:
I'm also pretty sure characters have upscaled from lower tiers in the past based on just statements before, as well.
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Those cases have been from differences of like 1.5x or less, which is barely anything. 2.2x would be far too much without any explicit multipliers.
 
Saying that CK is in "an incomparably higher league" doesn't imply more than 2.2x? I fail to see the logic behind that. 2.2x is a decent difference, but by no means is it massive, let alone to the extent this statement would imply. It is a bit of a subjective matter of course, but even to that extent, I feel like almost anyone would agree that the implications suggest a difference much higher than 2.2x. At the absolute bare minimum though, base CK is strong enough to definitely be At least 7-B from this. But personally I think a 7-A rating is more than validated.
 
RinneItachi said:
Saying that CK is in "an incomparably higher league" doesn't imply more than 2.2x? I fail to see the logic behind that. 2.2x is a decent difference, but by no means is it massive, let alone to the extent this statement would imply. It is a bit of a subjective matter of course, but even to that extent, I feel like almost anyone would agree that the implications suggest a difference much higher than 2.2x. At the absolute bare minimum though, base CK is strong enough to definitely be At least 7-B from this. But personally I think a 7-A rating is more than validated.
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No. I dunno where you're getting 2.2x from. We only upscale from 1.5x at best.
 
Did the upscaling CRT ever come to a conclusion then? Last I heard we were doing 1.3X max, then "likely higher" and "likely far higher" beyond that.
 
Quoting from the Powerscaling page:

“It is possible for a character who is depicted as vastly superior to another in a statistic to be placed in a tier above the other, given that the other character is close to the the next tier. However, this ultimately needs to be decided through case-by-case analysis.”
 
LordTracer said:
It basically ended with “decide on a case by case basis.”
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But was there a general multiplier we should use? Because a case by case basis might mean we use 7.5X for characters that can one-shot weaker characters and 1.3X for characters that are demonstrably above others but not by an incredible amount
 
Ourosboros said:
But was there a general multiplier we should use?
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Nope. Nobody agreed on using a specific number, but I saw 1.5x to 1.3x to 1.1x thrown around as ideas, so I wouldn’t ever try to upscale anything greater than 1.5x.
 
...Then it basically still just depends on the scenario in question. 1.5x was never the concluded upscale limit if I'm understanding this properly. If there isn't an official upscale limit, then the argument that we never upscale above 1.5x is almost irrelevant.

As a side note, who here believes that this statement implies CK is over 2.20 times stronger than VM? Not in the sense of whether or not it should be added, but purely when it comes to the statement itself.
 
Except 2.2 is a huge reach that has nothing to back it up at all.

I'm not sure how being incomparably stronger equates to 2.2x, for all we know it could be 3x. Feels like an unfounded reach
 
Not only that, but there's also the likelihood that the statement is reffering to only the HOE monsters, and not monsters in general
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Those are only for VS matches
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I know that but I'm asking what the normal multiplier is now, if such a thing exists. When I hear "case by case basis" I can see that being abused to get all kinds of different multipliers for any number of reasons. 7.5X is an extreme example to illustrate that possibility
 
I'm literally not saying it's exactly 2.20 times. I'm saying we don't know what it is, but assuming it's lower than such a moderate difference is unreasonable when considering the statement. "an incomparably higher league of power" I have no idea how those words in that context under these circumstances could literally ever come off as anything other than saying the power difference is completely massive.

Actually...looking at the statement again with that consideration in mind, it seems much more likely to be the case. "Despite being the most powerful fighter in the House of Evolution, due to his extreme destructive impulses and lack of decency, he has been locked away in an isolated room. However, on a physical level, he possesses abilities that are in an incomparably higher league of power than the monsters so far." It was directly referencing the creations of the HoE, and mentioning that, unlike the rest, he was locked away due to his negative qualities. But that despite those traits, he's still FAR superior to the other HoE Monster's, which obviously lines up with the fact that they were all Tiger-Demon level, and he's a High-Dragon. Actually I think it's almost certain that it's referring to the previous HoE Monster's. So nevermind then.
 
Is there actually somewhere I can read the guide online? Or is it a Japanese only thing that we've been able to get a few decent translations out of?
 
I tried finding, the only place I've seen so far is random pieces on Reddit sadly.

Unless someone here wanna cough up some cash so we can go buy the guidebook lol
 
I would get it but I don't want to go through the hassle of getting it delivered, that and I don't even know a method of how to.
 
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