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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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...Then it basically still just depends on the scenario in question. 1.5x was never the concluded upscale limit if I'm understanding this properly. If there isn't an official upscale limit, then the argument that we never upscale above 1.5x is almost irrelevant.
As a side note, who here believes that this statement implies CK is over 2.20 times stronger than VM? Not in the sense of whether or not it should be added, but purely when it comes to the statement itself.
As a side note, who here believes that this statement implies CK is over 2.20 times stronger than VM? Not in the sense of whether or not it should be added, but purely when it comes to the statement itself.
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Except 2.2 is a huge reach that has nothing to back it up at all.
I'm not sure how being incomparably stronger equates to 2.2x, for all we know it could be 3x. Feels like an unfounded reach
I'm not sure how being incomparably stronger equates to 2.2x, for all we know it could be 3x. Feels like an unfounded reach
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Not only that, but there's also the likelihood that the statement is reffering to only the HOE monsters, and not monsters in general
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I know that but I'm asking what the normal multiplier is now, if such a thing exists. When I hear "case by case basis" I can see that being abused to get all kinds of different multipliers for any number of reasons. 7.5X is an extreme example to illustrate that possibility
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I'm literally not saying it's exactly 2.20 times. I'm saying we don't know what it is, but assuming it's lower than such a moderate difference is unreasonable when considering the statement. "an incomparably higher league of power" I have no idea how those words in that context under these circumstances could literally ever come off as anything other than saying the power difference is completely massive.
Actually...looking at the statement again with that consideration in mind, it seems much more likely to be the case. "Despite being the most powerful fighter in the House of Evolution, due to his extreme destructive impulses and lack of decency, he has been locked away in an isolated room. However, on a physical level, he possesses abilities that are in an incomparably higher league of power than the monsters so far." It was directly referencing the creations of the HoE, and mentioning that, unlike the rest, he was locked away due to his negative qualities. But that despite those traits, he's still FAR superior to the other HoE Monster's, which obviously lines up with the fact that they were all Tiger-Demon level, and he's a High-Dragon. Actually I think it's almost certain that it's referring to the previous HoE Monster's. So nevermind then.
Actually...looking at the statement again with that consideration in mind, it seems much more likely to be the case. "Despite being the most powerful fighter in the House of Evolution, due to his extreme destructive impulses and lack of decency, he has been locked away in an isolated room. However, on a physical level, he possesses abilities that are in an incomparably higher league of power than the monsters so far." It was directly referencing the creations of the HoE, and mentioning that, unlike the rest, he was locked away due to his negative qualities. But that despite those traits, he's still FAR superior to the other HoE Monster's, which obviously lines up with the fact that they were all Tiger-Demon level, and he's a High-Dragon. Actually I think it's almost certain that it's referring to the previous HoE Monster's. So nevermind then.
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Is there actually somewhere I can read the guide online? Or is it a Japanese only thing that we've been able to get a few decent translations out of?
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I tried finding, the only place I've seen so far is random pieces on Reddit sadly.
Unless someone here wanna cough up some cash so we can go buy the guidebook lol
Unless someone here wanna cough up some cash so we can go buy the guidebook lol
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You know, I probably would've done this if I wasn't broke as **** atm
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I would get it but I don't want to go through the hassle of getting it delivered, that and I don't even know a method of how to.
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Tbh I kinda wonder how much it costs. Lemme check
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I can't find it anywhere what the hell
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Ye I think it's just hard to find, especially for anyone not in Japan.
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I heard it's like a Japan exclusive thing? If that's the case, then I'm starting to shiver at the shipping costs lol
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BTW, how are we doing the HE thing again? What does everyone think of my proposal?
To summarise, we should just do a "Tier to Tier" using the different crater sizes that HE made, which were like 2 I think
To summarise, we should just do a "Tier to Tier" using the different crater sizes that HE made, which were like 2 I think
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Maybe a Varies, with an Up to for whatever his highest tier with it is.
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That could work.
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Why doesn't flashy have possibly SoL for his speed? It was stated in the databook. You also can't say it's false, because he doesn't have any anti-feats. His speed is close enough to SoL for it not to be a stretch, since he did his Rel+ feat without trying too hard.
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How many times have we gone over why Flashy Flash isn’t SoL in this thread? I feel like it’s been more than five times by now.
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His rel+ feat was him getting serious, although not much to imply he was going all out or anything. I think a possibly SOL is fine, with his current rating as normal.
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Also rel+ is boutta get recalled and downgraded so...
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Although the guide statement definitely can't be viewed as concrete evidence by any means, of course.
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Thats exactly what I'm saying
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If that happens then it's an oof cause FF is definitely supposed to be in that range, but I guess he might just not have enough evidence to put him there.
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We should start making rules for this at this point.
Because a lot of guidebooks statements for heroes are hyperbole, and the main cast don't show much feats that are even close to what the databook describes
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It's mainly due to the redraws having the cave be smaller iirc, which sucks.
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Honestly, making a discussion rule for that doesn’t sound like a bad idea.
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Why tf would Murata even do that? It just makes them weaker and is a change no one really cares about.
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I understand that, but what I'm trying to say is, the points that I've seen to not put possible SoL for Flashy don't really make sense. Just because someone is going serious doesn't mean going all out. Saitama's serious punch isn't his 100%, so why would we put a limit on Flashy when we have something saying he is faster than he has shown. Flashy doesn't have any anti-feats to go against what the databook stated.
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This is also a downgrade to Blast, who we've already seen is far above FF in terms of speed, but I guess that's only gonna be enough to put him at prob MHS+ I'm betting.
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The redraws didn't make the cave smaller, they just made a statement that CE was 50 meters away from a water source when he was many, many floors above the cave's peak.
That statement solidified for me that these numbers are really just arbitrary roundings they make post hoc and not a number they style the panels around, same thing as Beefcake's size. That or Murata forgot to redraw that panel where there's 20+ floors in the hole Brave Giant's overloaded strike made.
That statement solidified for me that these numbers are really just arbitrary roundings they make post hoc and not a number they style the panels around, same thing as Beefcake's size. That or Murata forgot to redraw that panel where there's 20+ floors in the hole Brave Giant's overloaded strike made.
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I dunno, I'm pretty sure it wasn't intentional tho
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That's not the argument that goes against him being SoL. The argument is that said statement comes from a databook that severely hypes up the Heroes mentioned in it, and that a large majority of the other statements for Heroes are all blatant hyperbole.
Does anyone have the image saying he's SoL? Cause iirc it also comes off heavily as intentional hyperbole.
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I've already stated, many of the statements are hyperbole, it's likely flash is as well as he hasn't shown a feat that is close to SOL
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That's why we should look at it case by case. Like I said before, he has nothing that proves it wrong, and his speed is close enough for it not to be considered a huge stretch.
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I'll try find it but the quote was like: "Moving at the speed of light!" Or something like that
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He's getting downgraded tho, he's likely not even gonna be rel+ anymore
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Flash is at 0.55c... what do you mean not close?
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"getting" not "is" have you been reading the messages? FF is GOING to get downgraded, afterwards he prob won't even be sub-rel, I'm guessing.
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Also I think it wa stated by CE that the Monster base was like 50 to 100 meters, and that sounds like bullshit and the visuals seems to contradict that
