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It just might not be perception manipulation, though. He isn't altering perception (at least directly), he's just taking him to a mental realm where time runs differently.
 
It just might not be perception manipulation, though. He isn't altering perception, he's just taking him to a mental realm where time runs differently.
Yeah I know but I mean the end effect is still the same lol to some degree his perception is altered.
 
The effect being the same doesn't mean it's through perception manipulation.

It's dream world logic in movies.
 
The effect being the same doesn't mean it's through perception manipulation.

It's dream world logic in movies.
I get what you're saying, he doesn't have the ability himself persay. Should we really disregard the effect of the space on perception entirely though?
 
I get what you're saying, he doesn't have the ability himself persay. Should we really disregard the effect of the space on perception entirely though?
Pretty much, especially since it's not even combat applicable. We can just mention it in the Astral Projection power.
 
I'm saying the time thing isn't combat applicable. At least, it's not applicable to PO in particular. If he worked in groups, it would probably be.
 
Where is it stated?
It has only been shown to work like that. Initially, Phoenix Man was about to kill Child Emperor, he had no intention of keeping him alive. But after Child Emperor summoned his robot and got inside it, he changed his mind and trapped him inside the Phoenix Space instead of killing him like he intended ealier. If he could trap Child Emperor while he wasn't driving Brave Giant, he would have done that.
 
It has only been shown to work like that. Initially, Phoenix Man was about to kill Child Emperor, he had no intention of keeping him alive. But after Child Emperor summoned his robot and got inside it, he changed his mind and trapped him inside the Phoenix Space instead of killing him like he intended ealier. If he could trap Child Emperor while he wasn't driving Brave Giant, he would have done that.
He kept him alive because he was trying to turn him into a costume monster like himself.

That doesn't prove it only works on people in costumes. He even says it's a strong reflection of his psyche.

He didn't trap Emperor because he wasn't interested prior as he wasn't wearing a costume.
 
He kept him alive because he was trying to turn him into a costume monster like himself.
Huh, this is a good point. Fair then. But something still tells me he can only trap someone in PS only if that person wears a costume or something but not someone like PPP.
 
Huh, this is a good point. Fair then. But something still tells me he can only trap someone in PS only if that person wears a costume or something but not someone like PPP.
I dont believe that is the case, but the argument does have a little merit. One could argue the fact Emperor broke out was he refused to be a costume monster.

But then Saitama makes his way inside lol. I think its just Astral AOE
 
Well, Saitama broke into the place on his own, PM didn't force him so it is different. By costume, I mean something like Watchdog Man wears.
 
Well, Saitama broke into the place on his own, PM didn't force him so it is different. By costume, I mean something like what Watchdog Man wears.
In the official scans it stated Phoenix connected their spirits. Would that give him soul manipulation?
 
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