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[ByAsura]

Firstly, why are we scaling deflection to AP all of a sudden? A less skilled and powerful Garou was able to deflect strikes that would have incapacitated him.

Secondly, Darkshine wasn’t even remotely serious, at first. When he did get serious, Garou was powerless and had his ribcage shattered by an attack that he couldn’t even reflect with Bang and Bomb’s combined techniques.

Lastly, as I said, Darkshine shattered his ribcage. Rover couldn’t do that to Garou even before he’d adapted to Psykos (someone who immobilised him prior) or Orochi.

I do strongly doubt HM Garou, Rover, Bomb and Bang (excluding Awakened Bang, ofc) are like 10x weaker than Darkshine, but they’re not comparable. At the very least, I’d definitely downscale them to Mountain level. I think this is reasonable because DS’ attack did more to Psykos than Bomb and Bang’s combo.

Visually it looks the same and in the anime its even colored the same.

top right panel looks like metal.

The shot right after darkshine hit that guy into the wall looks like metal. The small panels in the bottom corners behind him you can see metal grooves or plates idk what they would be called.

Seems ok, then.

 

[Kachon123]

Firstly, why are we scaling deflection to AP all of a sudden? A less skilled and powerful Garou was able to deflect strikes that would have incapacitated him

Secondly, Darkshine wasn’t even remotely serious. When he did get serious, Garou was powerless and had his ribcage shattered by an attack that he couldn’t even reflect with Bang and Bomb’s combine day techniques.

Lastly, as I said, Darkshine shattered his ribcage. Rover couldn’t do that to Garou even before he’d adapted to Psykos (someone who immobilised him prior) or Orochi.

I do strongly doubt HM Garou, Rover, Bomb and Bang (excluding Awakened Bang, ofc) are like 10x weaker than Darkshine, but they’re not comparable.

The argument is if HM Garou should scale to Darkshine's feat of very casually destroying the interior of the HQ. Darkshine definitely tried more in this attack, this attack, and this whole attack (All of which Garou got up from), than he did when doing this.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

At the very least, I’d definitely downscale them to Mountain level.

I think they're too high up to downscale to just Mountain level, I'd say an "At most" is better in this case instead of downscaling

 

[ByAsura]

Those first two literally had him vomiting blood, which proves even a casual DS >> Garou, and the other one was the Tackle I mentioned that completely shattered his his ribcage.

@Emirp As I said, even their combo is inferior to one of DS’ attacks. 550 mt is Mountain level+, and they’d be over 400 if they’re half DS.

 

[Kachon123]

Those first two literally had him vomiting blood, which proves even a casual DS >> Garou, and the other one was the Tackle I mentioned that completely shattered his his ribcage.

I'm not saying he fully scales. I'm just saying that we can't completely discredit the fact that Garou got up from all of those attacks right after and kept attacking Darkshine. I agree with Garou having an "At most" rating.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'm not saying he fully scales. I'm just saying that we can't completely discredit the fact that Garou got up from all of those attacks right after and kept attacking Darkshine. I agree with Garou having an "At most" rating.

That's just stamina. In no way, should he even scale to that last one. I certainly wouldn't call, getting my ribs shattered as durability justification

 

[ByAsura]

@Kachon I’m not discrediting anything, I’m saying it’s just not quite as impressive as some people are claiming. He did survive them, but he was vomiting blood. Also, this is the same guy who can shrug off having holes in his body, as well as shattered rib cage.

 

[Kachon123]

That's just stamina.

How are you going to say that getting hit with all of those moves, when with 2 of the 3 moves, Garou was just sleeping, and only the second one woke him up, is just stamina. That is complete downplay.

In no way, should he even scale to that last one. I certainly wouldn't call, getting my ribs shattered as durability justification

You clearly didn't read what I was saying because I never once stated that Garou should scale to any of those moves that Darkshine did. I'm saying that sin e Garou could survive 3 heavy attacks from Darkshine, he should at least scale to, or under Darkshine just throwing someone.

 

[Kachon123]

@Kachon I’m not discrediting anything, I’m saying it’s just not quite as impressive as some people are claiming. He did survive them, but he was vomiting blood. Also, this is the same guy who can shrug off having holes in his body, as well as shattered rib cage.

I'm not saying that he tanked them or anything. I'm just trying to prove that Garou would have dura high enough to scale to Darkshine damaging the interior of the HQ.

 

[ByAsura]

I’m not saying he doesn’t scale, just that he should downscale to even a casual DS.

I think that’s reasonable because Rover is capable of damaging Bomb/Bang and damaged Garou, so Garou scales to people who can’t even match DS with combo moves.

 

[Kachon123]

I’m not saying he doesn’t scale, just that he should downscale to even a casual DS.

I think that’s reasonable because Rover is capable of damaging Bomb/Bang and damaged Garou, so Garou scales to people who can’t even match DS with combo moves.

I'm saying the same thing.

 

[ByAsura]

You’re saying at most. So we disagree a little, but that’s neither here nor there.

On another note, does Large Mountain level AB Bang and AB Garou seem reasonable?

Garou was already stronger DS at full power before Awakening, and grew even stronger due to copying Awakened Breath.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

On another note, does Large Mountain level AB Bang and AB Garou seem reasonable?

Garou was already stronger DS at full power before Awakening, and grew even stronger due to copying Awakened Breath.

Probably, I think Darkshine's dura can upscale to High 7-A

 

[Kachon123]

On another note, does Large Mountain level AB Bang and AB Garou seem reasonable?

Garou was already stronger DS at full power before Awakening, and grew even stronger due to copying Awakened Breath.

I think so. They aren't far from baseline High 7-A.

 

[ByAsura]

@Emirp Makes sense.

When the translations come in, I’ll make a CRT on this.

It’s worth noting that Gouketsu scales above casual DS, while CK’s Rhino Mode scales to it.

 

[Kachon123]

@ByAsura What do you think about scaling pre-molt EC above Vaccine Man's 30 MT?

 

[ByAsura]

I completely agree. We probably didn’t add it because we just forgot.

 

[Kachon123]

I completely agree. We probably didn’t add it because we just forgot.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we forgot lol.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I didn't add it because I though we ditched it.

 

[Kachon123]

I didn't add it because I though we ditched it.

....

 

[Kachon123]

Can we add it since it was accepted in the CRT, and we just forgot to do it? (yay finally 1k messages)

 

[ByAsura]

If the page is locked, I’ll just add it onto the new CRT I’m planning, or you can ask another staff member. If not, then add it at your leisure. I’m on iOS right now.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

EC's page isn't locked

 

[Kachon123]

EC's page isn't locked

Ok

 

[Kachon123]

What should I put it as?

 

[Kachon123]

City level (One of the strongest members of the Monster Association. Almost leveled a whole city when he was younger and smaller. Was stated to be in a different scale from other previous recorded monsters, so he should be more powerful than Vaccine Man.) | At least City level, possibly Mountain level+ (Stronger than before. Genos questioned if there were any monsters like him, despite having already encountered Gouketsu. Gyoro Gyoro estimated that only the stronger members of the S-Class could challenge him. Implied by Orochi to be on par with Gouketsu)

 

[Kachon123]

Is that good?

 

[ImposingTiger]

City level (One of the strongest members of the Monster Association. Almost leveled a whole city when he was younger and smaller. Was stated to be in a different scale from other previous recorded monsters, so he should be more powerful than Vaccine Man.) | At least City level, possibly Mountain level+ (Stronger than before. Genos questioned if there were any monsters like him, despite having already encountered Gouketsu. Gyoro Gyoro estimated that only the stronger members of the S-Class could challenge him. Implied by Orochi to be on par with Gouketsu)

The Gyoro Gyoro thing was referring to Pre Molt EC.

Also do you have the Orochi scans? The ones implying them to be comparable.

 

[ImposingTiger]

If the page is locked, I’ll just add it onto the new CRT I’m planning, or you can ask another staff member. If not, then add it at your leisure. I’m on iOS right now.

Can you add in the new CRT the 6-A Armored Boros durability thing?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Can you add in the new CRT the 6-A Armored Boros durability thing?

Just to be clear, it's only his armor being 6-A, not Boros himself

 

[Kachon123]

The Gyoro Gyoro thing was referring to Pre Molt EC.

Proof?

Also do you have the Orochi scans? The ones implying them to be comparable.

I will try to find them.

 

[ImposingTiger]

Just to be clear, it's only his armor being 6-A, not Boros himself

Still, as an above dragon, he should be 6-B scaling above the meteor, because he already scales above the 6-C calc, which is also a one shot attack, and the meteor is listed as a dragon level threat.

 

[ImposingTiger]

Proof?

She has no way to know how strong his Post Molt key would be, she hasn't seen it.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Still, as an above dragon, he should be 6-B scaling above the meteor, because he already scales above the 6-C calc, which is also a one shot attack, and the meteor is listed as a dragon level threat.

But don't we treat the meteor as a different case from other threat levels? That was why Boris doesn't scale to it anymore

 

[Maharaj]

But don't we treat the meteor as a different case from other threat levels? That was why Boris doesn't scale to it anymore

why

 

[Kachon123]

I can't find where Orochi implied that EC is on par with Gouketsu or vice-versa.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

why

Because the meteor is an immediate thing and not a walking mobile threat like the monsters are, as well as the meteor being a natural disaster.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I can't find where Orochi implied that EC is on par with Gouketsu or vice-versa.

It was the beginning of the Saitama vs Orochi fight.

 

[ImposingTiger]

But don't we treat the meteor as a different case from other threat levels? That was why Boris doesn't scale to it anymore

The HE big energy ball is literally the same.

 

[Maharaj]

But don't we treat the meteor as a different case from other threat levels? That was why Boris doesn't scale to it anymore

yeah what if someone pours all there energy into an attack and is stated above dragon would they not scale above the meteor