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Ouros calced it to be 9-A, I don't think he ever posted the calc tho
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Saitama vs Garou fan animation. It looks pretty cool.
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Or, Full Power Bang is stronger than Cross Fang Dragon Slayer fist
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Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist is Bang and Bomb's ultimate combination attack. It takes a heavy toll on their body after using it.
For some reason, Garou hasn't utilised it against Bang yet. My guess would be that in the next chapter, Garou comes back to his senses, and then finally uses CFDSF against Bang, surprising the hell out of him and since CFDSF itself is a far more powerful technique than Bang and Bomb's respective martial arts, I think it is GG for Bang. There's nothing he can do against it.
For some reason, Garou hasn't utilised it against Bang yet. My guess would be that in the next chapter, Garou comes back to his senses, and then finally uses CFDSF against Bang, surprising the hell out of him and since CFDSF itself is a far more powerful technique than Bang and Bomb's respective martial arts, I think it is GG for Bang. There's nothing he can do against it.
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Also while revising the scaling chain, I noticed something odd. Mainly about Carnage Kabuto, Rover and Darkshine
I'll tackle CK first. So this is Carnage Kabuto's scaling chain:
So as shown, Carnage Kabuto scales above Gouketsu. But here's the problem, we list CK as inferior to Gouketsu off of the basis that a Gouketsu who was barely trying against Genos, and Genos stated that Gouketsu was by far the strongest monster he had seen by that point, and he has only seen a fraction of Gouketsu's power, but has seen Carnage Kabuto's full power in the past several times.
So by Genos' statement. Gouketsu is stronger than Carnage Kabuto. Which does line up with the evidence. But the scaling chain kinda says otherwise. I dunno what to do here, I'll leave this one up to ya'll
And for Darkshine and Rover. Ya'll remember the scaling chain I placed above? I realized placing bang and bomb does contradict quite some things.
So Base Bang and Bomb being superior to Darkshine would mean that Rover is much stronger than Darkshine. Which also leads to the inital Half monster Garou durability to exceed Darkshine's which makes no sense considering we see how easy Darkshine rekt Half monster Garou when they first fought, and Garou only gets stronger from then on. And do you all see what I mean?
Base Bang and Bomb being superior to darkshine in AP or durability doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and only creates scaling contradictions and circular scaling, which leads to greater confusion. Again for this one, I dunno how to handle it. We could either Bomb fighting Garou was a skill thing or cry out: "OUTLIER!" which I think might be the case here.
So ya'll, I need help for this
I'll tackle CK first. So this is Carnage Kabuto's scaling chain:
So as shown, Carnage Kabuto scales above Gouketsu. But here's the problem, we list CK as inferior to Gouketsu off of the basis that a Gouketsu who was barely trying against Genos, and Genos stated that Gouketsu was by far the strongest monster he had seen by that point, and he has only seen a fraction of Gouketsu's power, but has seen Carnage Kabuto's full power in the past several times.
So by Genos' statement. Gouketsu is stronger than Carnage Kabuto. Which does line up with the evidence. But the scaling chain kinda says otherwise. I dunno what to do here, I'll leave this one up to ya'll
And for Darkshine and Rover. Ya'll remember the scaling chain I placed above? I realized placing bang and bomb does contradict quite some things.
So Base Bang and Bomb being superior to Darkshine would mean that Rover is much stronger than Darkshine. Which also leads to the inital Half monster Garou durability to exceed Darkshine's which makes no sense considering we see how easy Darkshine rekt Half monster Garou when they first fought, and Garou only gets stronger from then on. And do you all see what I mean?
Base Bang and Bomb being superior to darkshine in AP or durability doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and only creates scaling contradictions and circular scaling, which leads to greater confusion. Again for this one, I dunno how to handle it. We could either Bomb fighting Garou was a skill thing or cry out: "OUTLIER!" which I think might be the case here.
So ya'll, I need help for this
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It was about to heavily injure Bang and Bomb, that's why it has possibly 7-A. If Rover loses it's At least 7-B, possibly 7-A, then a good chunk of other characters also lose it as many scale to Rover because of it, and mainly due to Garou surviving attacks from Rover.
Also why would it be a stonewall?
Also why would it be a stonewall?
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Genos literally witnessed CK going all out against Saitama as well in the VR. He should be able to get a measure of CK's power
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Because its durability scales massively above its own AP, much like Elder Centipede and Darkshine, who both are stonewalls. It (even while wounded and weakened by a punch from Saitama) resisted Bang and Bomb's ultimate combination attack while sustaining no apparent damage despite their physicals already being enhanced further by Fubuki's TK. Its best AP feat is being stated to harm them with its energy blasts.
If we disregard Genos' statement, then there's no reason to scale Elder Centipede to Gouketsu. Thus, no one scales to Goketsu 7-A feat.
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I feel like these are the only major messes in the scaling chain.
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Because Saitama has never gone all out lmao
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It's completely debatable. He's able to measure the data of everyone else who beat the crap out of him, and CK (who went all out against Saitama) is no exception. Murata doesn't even try to portray him as an inaccurate source.
Saitama's strength is completely immeasurable and immense. So he's the exception.
Saitama's strength is completely immeasurable and immense. So he's the exception.
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Except Geno's HAS seen his peak. Plus if we discard anything Geno's says, then we might as well discard possibly 7-A, which is an even less reliable statement from Genos
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The fact that CK never one-shot Genos, yet he knows his base form is strong enough to obliterate his post-G4 self in moments, implies that Genos probably has an idea of his full strength. He also knows that DS, who one-shot a massively more powerful Bug God, is capable of going toe-to-toe with CK's stronger form.
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That can be resoved making a second key for Elder Centipede, but you guys always discard that idea.
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I'm talking about first form elder centipede, what does his second form got to do with anything?
Plus, giving him a second key, while I agree with it, it doesn't fix nor is it relevant to the problem at hand
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My scaling chain is the following:
Elder Centipede post molting > Gouketsu > CK = Darkshine's AP > Garou's durability against Darkshine initially >= Garou's durability against Rover <= Rover's AP > Base Bang/Bomb > Elder Centipede pre molt
That resolves the CK and Gouketsu confusion. On the second topic, it may be possible that Rover's attacks would only damage Bang and Bomb lightly, because even Fubuki was surprised that they were that strong. Or it's just a matter of technique and that's all there is to it. I would lean towards the first option given that Bang has tanked an attack from current Garou, and Bomb is treated as his equal.
I do not like outliers if there is remotely a way to explain things. I do not like disregarding statements either, for the same reason. If we can find a logical explanation that does not contradict anything, it's best to use it.
Elder Centipede post molting > Gouketsu > CK = Darkshine's AP > Garou's durability against Darkshine initially >= Garou's durability against Rover <= Rover's AP > Base Bang/Bomb > Elder Centipede pre molt
That resolves the CK and Gouketsu confusion. On the second topic, it may be possible that Rover's attacks would only damage Bang and Bomb lightly, because even Fubuki was surprised that they were that strong. Or it's just a matter of technique and that's all there is to it. I would lean towards the first option given that Bang has tanked an attack from current Garou, and Bomb is treated as his equal.
I do not like outliers if there is remotely a way to explain things. I do not like disregarding statements either, for the same reason. If we can find a logical explanation that does not contradict anything, it's best to use it.
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Ah I see. I think scaling possibly 7-A to post molt only does seem to make sense. One of Post super fight Genos' canons, the one that was used within Elder Centipede makes sensesense to scale as well. As well as Awakened Bang and current half monster Garou
Still tho, it doesn't exactly fix the Bomb being superior to dark shine in Durability
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We do not know a limit to Darkshine's durability. How is it a problem? He only got internal damage because of Garou's martial arts.
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Did we even agree it was internal damage? Why is Garou's martial arts considered durability negation
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It must be some kind of durability negation, because Garou damaged Darkshine on the stomach, made him bleed from his nose and mouth, and almost put him unconscious. Darkshine then surpassed Garou's durability by breaking his shoulders, yet he states that he does not know how to harm himself.
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I'll wait for the others to decide, I wanna see a general opinion. Plus this is pretty important for scaling, so better to place it with the general CRT
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I'd say just put it in the general CRT.
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Because that would change the scaling if things would it not?
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You say heavily injured, but I remember Bang being surprised that he was "unscathed", being "scathed" could also mean taking superficial damage or even just getting your clothes burnt up
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Wasn't because he got shielded by fubuki?
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Fubuki certainly helped, but how much of a difference could it be if Fubuki was able to block the extra damage? If Rover is a top dragon and able to seriously harm Bang, then Fubuki should have popped her brain trying to make up the damage difference.
If "unscathed" is the wording, there's no implication it would be serious damage, just that Bang would be visibly affected by the blast (could mean anything from a singed shirt to superficial damage)
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I've seen a few translations where Sekingar says EC is superior to any monster they have seen and that they should treat it as a "natural disaster" aka a new kind of threat level. If those translations were true, would pre molt EC scale above Vaccine Man (30 megatons) ?
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Should probably get the raws and have them translated here.
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If the raws say that then absolutely.
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