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Gouketsu could be mistaken. The threat level isn't given by the author but by him and he says "I bet" so my headcanon is that Gouketsu was mistaken about Bakuzan's rating.
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Gouketsu was either just hella dumb or he was being encouraging
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Seeing as Gouketsu is intelligent, experienced, and skilled, but also overconfident, him saying that Bakuzan is a Dragon, specifically adding that he is within the same threat level as Gouketsu, I doubt he was overestimating him or just saying it to encourage Bakuzan, especially seeing as Gouketsu makes it a point to completely shatter his ego the moment Bakuzan steps out of line.
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Why would he be encouraging when he was thinking it and not saying it.
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What makes Bakuzan the most disappointing dragon for me is that he pretty much only gets anti-feats/stomped.
Completely fodderized by gouketsu, somehow gets his thumb broken by a broken Suiryu that couldn't even stand up and had high diffed a demon while in a much better condition, and then gets one-shot by Saitama before performing any feat.
Completely fodderized by gouketsu, somehow gets his thumb broken by a broken Suiryu that couldn't even stand up and had high diffed a demon while in a much better condition, and then gets one-shot by Saitama before performing any feat.
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Also the fact Bakuzan's personality is that he's kind of a loser makes it worse
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The main problem for me is Suiryu breaking his toe. That would make Choze a dragon too, which he isn't.
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Would it be an outlier feat then?
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For me it is more fair to assume Gouketsu was mistaken.
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Now that I think about it, maybe yeah, seems weird how while crippled, Suiryu managed to break his toe, and isn't even consistently shown to be around the level of Bakuzan.
I guess downgrade Suiryu to Low 7-C lmao.
I guess downgrade Suiryu to Low 7-C lmao.
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I don't think it's an outlier but ok. You can always find a way to explain the series without contradicting what you see happening. If you can't, then it's an outlier. It's easier saying that Bakuzan isn't a dragon than pretending the broken toe feat didn't happen.
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It could be not an outlier but I think the feat of breaking Bakuzan's toe is a bit overrated. It is also weird to me that previously Suiryu could tank a consecutive punches from an angry Bakuzan while heavily injured, and he could get up and even walk. But he then got both of his legs broken immediately by a casual and nonchalant Bakuzan with only two blows, which led me to think that it was an outlier or PIS.
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That seems like a hell of a stretch tbh
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Incomprehensible situation. Or maybe just write in the profile "At least Low 7-C, possibly at most low 7-B"?
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Not really? This doesn't seem consistent with much of what Suiryu has done. And it also kinda messes with the scaling chain. Either Bakuzan was simply off guard or it's just PIS
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Well Bakuzan "At least Low 7-B", Suiryu "At Most Low 7-B". Big difference.
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Not really, I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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I am leaning towards the fact that Suryu can be scaled to Bakuzan, but this is not accurate.
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As stated, Suiryu is consistently shown below Bakuzan. It's contradictory that he could hurt bakuzan while in heavily injured when he fought on par with Choze, who is weaker than Bakuzan.
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Is Choze really that much weaker than Bakuzan that he couldn't damage him? High demon Vs Low Dragon shouldn't be too far off tbh.
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There's nothing to even suggest choze is high demon...
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If we assume Bakuzan is baseline dragon, and that a severely damaged Suiryu harming him is not an outlier, then he would downscale slightly from Suiryu who would downscale from Bakuzan, making him a demon who isn't that far from baseline dragon.
Needless to say, this scaling worked much better when Choze still had a 7-B feat.
Needless to say, this scaling worked much better when Choze still had a 7-B feat.
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Yeah but now his feat is only low 7-C
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We don't know what he was, but Bakuzan was determined to be dragon after Gouketsu saw his assault on Suiryu. High demon seems likely.
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Why would he scale to bakuzan? Especially when his best offering was Low 7-C?
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Why do we assume his durability is higher than it's shown to be? Bug God has insane dura and is still only demon.
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Suiryu was literally beaten down to near death? Why should he scale to someone who stomped him?
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I'm not trying to scale anyone to anyone. Just stating the gap between them isn't that far off that they couldn't damage bakuzan if at full strength.
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If we're downgrading Suiryu then it should be to High 7-C because of Genos's statement.
Genos does not view "S class level" through a Vs forum lens the way we do. He's going by what he's seen and fought himself.
Genos does not view "S class level" through a Vs forum lens the way we do. He's going by what he's seen and fought himself.
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That does not sound concrete enough to list him as High 7-C. I'm pretty sure Genos does have good knowledge about the other S-Class heroes via the simulator thing and etc. And Iaian is considered S-Class level and he's only 8-A. All I see is a "Likely Higher" for him.
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I think it's completely concrete if you care about narrative. But I forgot that's not allowed here sometimes.
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Feats are not limitations.
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Except he's shown nothing else to be placed near threat level dragon, not even via scaling, statements or feats.
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Don't we scale dragons from Choze?
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Genos did refer to Suiryu as an s-class level fighter (the weakest s-class he had seen in action so far being Puri Puri, everyone else also being at least High 7-C), he did manage to harm a dragon level threat while injured and he has often been compared to Garou, a high demon. When he fought Garou in the OVA, Suiryu was on par with Garou as we had all been speculating- although it remains to be seen what would have happened if the fight continued after Garou got serious.
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A weakened Suiryu got stomped by the combined of The Three Crows, and was about to get finished off by one of them. However; he magically tanked a consecutive punches from a seemingly bloodlusted Bakuzan, and could even get up and walk. But then, he got both of his legs broken by a casual Bakuzan.
Something's definitely not right here.
Something's definitely not right here.
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Didn't he only break one leg?
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Bakuzan broke both of his legs. It was clarified in the anime.
IIRC his fight with Garou in the OVA was counted as mostly a skill feat, since it is apparently not AP related.
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Choze is threat level Unknown, we scale dragons from the stongest demons: Royal Ripper and Bug God
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