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Bro considering itachi genjustu has like 3 or 4 layers this point is moot
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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But the resistances aren't the same. Chakra users being able to have awareness of a Genjutsu and breaking out of it via precise Chakra control or an outside force isn't the same as entering/(presumably) leaving a mental world by just "knocking" on it. That's a ridiculous astral projection feat.
And besides I said the Phoenix Space feat makes me think that's what would happen, I didn't say "That's what would happen if they fought".
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Leaving a mental world by just knocking on it would qualify as breaking out of it which would just be base line genjustu. What's your point?
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This.
The reason their is even layers to it in the first place is BECAUSE it's dependent on the control of the Genjutsu and the control of the Chakra on both sides. Saitama doesn't use specific techniques, he just innately doesn't care lol.
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Yeah, I'm quite sure even Kishimoto would make someone like Itachi to be negged by Saitama not caring about ANY Genjutsu (or even overall Naruto) rules
Maybe things would start getting serious with Truth Seeking Orbs and Six Pathsthat is if Saitama doesn't kick them then proceeds to take his soul back from the Human Path with his fists or something
Maybe things would start getting serious with Truth Seeking Orbs and Six Paths
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First of all the genjustu layer itachi cannot be broken by anything including chakra control. Only someone with higher visual prowress can resist it. Secondly the means of breaking out by disrupting chakra flow is for non ocular genjustu. Please brush up on your naruto lore
Sorry to break it to you but that is only for non ocular genjustu in fact everything you guys keeps saying is only for non ocular genjustu.
Ocular genjustu does not depend on all this let alone itachi tsukyomi for that matter
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This stuff was on akatsuki vs monster association dude. And arguments from incredulity are not arguments bro. Saitama can do none of what you said. He doesn't have resistance to existence erasure. Meehn you guys should stop saying stuff not on profiles
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My guy, I think you are missing how I'm being intentionally playful and not taking a serious VS Battle scaling into account on imagining a simple NarutoXOPM crossover where I believe the OPM joke would be kept intact for funny elements
You really need to press the rest button sometimes
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The Argument from Incredulity fallacy is hilariously misused sometimes. Maybe not in this instance, but I don't like it when someone even says that cause it's one of the most overused and misunderstood fallacies in this community. It's what lead to Jiren losing to GoD Toppo in these very forums (which I will never let go of). There's incredulity and then there's common sense.
Anyways I agree it's irrational to assume that Saitama can resist Akatsuki's hax in a versus debate setting, if that's what you're talking about. Cause there's no solid evidence to suggest such, besides maybe Genjutsu but I'm not really caring enough to argue about that, and I wasn't meaning to have a discussion over it in the first place.
But in terms of a story setting, a narrative setting, on no planet are any of their hax gonna do anything to him, he'll shrug it off with the same bored expression, and it's pretty fair for someone to say that considering Saitama's character and what he does in-universe, like it or not.
My point is; Someone saying "I think Saitama would probably be able to resist Genjutsu, Totsuka Blade, etc. cause of how he usually shrugs hax off anyways" isn't nearly the same as "Saitama would be able to resist Genjutsu, Totsuka Blade, etc. cause he just can". Cause clearly the former is framing it as a personal opinion irrelevant to any actual debate or claim. Someone stating their opinion and someone stating a claim aren't inherently the same thing.
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Glad you know I'm not misusing it in this case. And story setting and narrative kinda works most times in verse bro.
And clearly he wasn't framing it as a personal opinion . He literally said kishimoto would make someone like Itachi loose to saitama and would not care about naruto verse rules. What part of that makes sense?
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This would have been fine if you were substantiating what you were saying in the discussion with actual evidence. But you just kept saying stuff that were neither on the profiles and have 0 proof. At that point conversation cannot move forward coz we are all just saying with we like then..
Yeah no my constant encounter with hard core saitama fans make me understand your "jokes" are deadass what you think would happen
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What is dude going on about...
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Wouldn't he just do it 3 or 4 times or all of them at once
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I asked myself the same question
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I wonder, shouldn't willpower in opm include some kind of limited posession?
The example of resistance is Psykos resisting Orochi absorbing her, but she didn't just resist Orochi taking control of her mind, she also took control over Orochi's body and made him her vessel. Shouldn't this grant, at least, some kind of limited possesion?
Edit: Btw, I find kinda funny Limiter has resistance to Absorption and Mind Corruption due to Psykos... but Psykos does not have it in her page lmao
The example of resistance is Psykos resisting Orochi absorbing her, but she didn't just resist Orochi taking control of her mind, she also took control over Orochi's body and made him her vessel. Shouldn't this grant, at least, some kind of limited possesion?
Edit: Btw, I find kinda funny Limiter has resistance to Absorption and Mind Corruption due to Psykos... but Psykos does not have it in her page lmao
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That's not how layers work
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We downplay women
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Well don't just tell me no, tell me why it doesn't work like that- if it's a genjutsu inside a genjutsu inside a genjutsu why can't he just knock his way out one at a time? Are you suggesting he might not recognize the genjutsu as such and choose to stay in there? Or are you suggesting that he's physically incapable of leaving.
The first I don't have an opinion on, but for the second I would certainly say he has the ability to break out of a genjutsu- there's nothing about a genjutsu that seems more impenetrable than the Phoenix Space from my reading of Naruto
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That isn't what he means by layered Genjutsu. He means 'layers of potency.' For example, being able to put someone who can already resist illusion inside of a Genjutsu means that the Genjutsu has 2 layers of potency.
For example:
Person A's resistance < Genjutsu 1 < Person B's resistance < Genjutsu 2
Person A would have 1 layer or resistance
Genjutsu 1 would have 2 layers of potency
Person B would have 3 layers of resistance
Genjutsu 2 would have 4 layers of potency
What Karo is arguing is that since Saitama has only shown 1 layer of resistance, he wouldn't be able to resist a Genjutsu of 4 potency layers.
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Tbf Saitama hasn't shown exactly 1 layer of resistance. What he has shown is that he can knock in/out of the mental plane back to his normal body
Which should be, at best, more of unconventional resistance than common resistance
Which should be, at best, more of unconventional resistance than common resistance
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Monster Association destroy.
Itachi's Genjutsu gets countered by Black Sperms' trillions of individual and different minds, and he could probably keep Itachi at bay with his regen and sheer numbers.
Homeless Emperor can nuke most of the Akatsuki, holding back Deidara.
Psykorochi can take out Obito and Nagato with her TK before they become an issue.
ENW counters Konan, although Kisame can probably exploit him to become stronger.
Gouketsu can take on Kisame otherwise.
Elder Centipede or Gums would infinite-digest Hidan if he becomes immortal.
Ninjabros team and take out Kakuzu and Sasori.
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i dont think deidara can be defeated by homeless emperor
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I said he could hold Deidara back, not defeat him.
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Which means Geryu> Tatsumaki > Psykos
So the answer is clear
So the answer is clear
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The spaceship durability is really just unknown but no lower than 7-A+
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still slams trashumaki
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