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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Oof. I hate bad vibes.
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I think the thread may end up being closed due to circular arguments and the disagree outweighing the agree
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Yeah, honesty 99% of the agree arguments don't make any sense and are based off headcannon or just not understanding the context of the fight. The thread is just a swirly toxic cesspool of bad arguments at this point.
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I think it's because the disagreement over scaling is so deep and has had a few months to fester.
The Psykorochi vs. Tatsumaki scaling was the new Boros vs. AG for a couple months and while many of us in here have moved on and made our own consensus that Psykorochi = High 6-A and Tatsumaki > Psykorochi, people who don't agree with the current ratings are bound to have strong feelings.
The Psykorochi vs. Tatsumaki scaling was the new Boros vs. AG for a couple months and while many of us in here have moved on and made our own consensus that Psykorochi = High 6-A and Tatsumaki > Psykorochi, people who don't agree with the current ratings are bound to have strong feelings.
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I don't really get what the argument is. Something that Psykos' power varies and not all her power is on par with the beam shot? And they's actually 1000x times weaker? But I do agree that the beam was swung, which is what caused the continent slice. Pskyorochi hit tats with the beam, then she swung it. Do you think a new calc should be made with that in mind?
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I don't think the swinging matters, since I believe it happened relatively quickly. Unless the time frame to swing the beam is long enough when speed is relative that any potential opponents could close the gap between themselves and Psykorochi/prepare an attack in that time frame, it doesn't matter too much in a vsbattle where speed is normally equalized
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I don't think that's relevant tho. This site is pretty much an indexing wiki first and a vs site second. So it should matter.
Also I've heard people say it might change the result significantly, Uskla said it'll wield 5-C results. I'm just waiting for what Ugarik has to say
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I mean to say that if the timeframe is small enough (1 second or less), it still functions as a single attack. But if Matt wants to put a timeframe on it, like 5, 10, 30, 60 seconds, we'll have to calc it as KE as opposed to PE. Right now, the calc is how much energy the continent would generate if it just fell down. If we say it rose and fell within a certain timeframe, it's likely to upgrade the calc. EDIT: It's definitively going to upgrade the feat unless you want to argue the timeframe was considerably more than one minute
Do you think Matt would mind if his insistence on using a timeframe got this feat upgraded to 5-C? If it's a 60 second timeframe, it would still upgrade Ugarik's feat to 298 petatons lol... I don't know if he was aiming to give this feat an upgrade.
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I'm starting to see your point now. So do you think the calc is good as it is or does it need adjusting?
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The problem is this, the people are questioning something that has already been discussed and that is why we do not use KE, since we need to suppose a while.
There is also the fact that this feat is exactly the same as Toneri's, that he swings his sword and divides the moon, but I didn't see anyone try to use this argument in order to downgrade there, precisely because it doesn't make sense.
There is also the fact that this feat is exactly the same as Toneri's, that he swings his sword and divides the moon, but I didn't see anyone try to use this argument in order to downgrade there, precisely because it doesn't make sense.
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Does anyone already have the feat calced with a timeframe? It’d be interesting to see exactly how much it would change the results.
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I think it's fine as is because we enter into a bit of a physical non-sequitur if we use KE, PE is a simple solution that lowballs the calc but doesn't make any crazy estimations.
Although it seems like the continent fell back down in a few seconds, in real life it would have taken like 10 minutes for the continent to fall down from it's 82 km peak. So Psykos is either using continental level gravity manipulation in those beams to move the ocean up and down at accelerated speeds, or Murata just made a huge oversight there. It's a conundrum that PE subverts while still making sense
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Uskla said it'd be 5-C
Looking through it again, I don't really get the agreeing side for Psykorochi as it really seems like a reach, as well as the Genos one (Kinda). I might throw my 2 cents there eventually. Still mostly neutral, but leaning towards disagree
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Ugarik's PE calc: 254 petatons, High 6-A
Using KE according to Matt's time frame recommendation...
60 seconds: 298 petatons, High 6-A.
30 seconds: 1.192 exatons, High 6-A.
10 seconds: 10.278 exatons, High 6-A.
5 seconds: 42. 913 exatons, 5-C
1 second: 1.072 zettatons, low 5-B
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That’s... hilarious.
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Holy hell. Put this on the main CRT thread and let's see the reaction
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This is such a chaotic neutral statement lmao
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Bruh, if I did my math right throwing this in there would feel like beating an armless child-
The vote count's like 5-16 right now for-against and I don't even recommend using this method
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Although if you do plan on putting in the CRT, I’d suggest putting the calc in a blog that shows the math
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It's funny because I stated myself to be neutral
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While that would be hilarious (Do it) I feel like the Psykorochi stuff has been a huge waste of time. We still got to deal with the HEO stuff, Boros and the A-Class CRT. So lets get back on track a bit and at least finish the HEO stuff.
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I guess you're right. If there's considerable opposition to the PE end along time frame lines, we'll need to argue this point when it rolls around in a CRT. I guess since Psykorochi is so controversial I should prep the A-class CRT
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This, as well as Giant Snowman. I feel like we're just derailing with this CRT and we have other stuff
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Well it’s pretty obvious that the Psykorochi was made without consideration of the things we already had planned. But it’s here, and it might as well be finished so we can get back on schedule.
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Did someone say chaotic neutral?
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The current Psykorochi/Tatsumaki thread is chaotic neutral at best
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Or if you use the 7x7 chart, make it chaotic impure
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Alright so here's what I'm thinking: we wait for further calc group member input on Ugarik's 254 petaton calc because we're not going to agree on anything else.
I see three major and currently intractable disagreements, 1st is the time frame (that's down how to the panels are interpreted), 2nd is whether Psykorochi's other beams scale to the continent cutter(that's dependent on the first disagreement), 3rd is how much Psykorochi was weakened by Tatsumaki's first twist (that depends on which you think is more important: the size of the host body or the size of the root network since most people think size is important for Psykorochi's power).
If a consensus is reached by multiple CGMs about Ugarik's calc, then the 1st and 2nd disagreements become rather irrelevant- PE is either the best method and has been properly used or it isn't useable. If it is, time frame is irrelevant and we can't say the beams should be tiers weaker because they were held for X amount of time compared to the duration of the earthcutter. How much Psykorochi is weakened remains an open-ended debate, but if we overcome the 1st two disagreements the thread is all about how much Psykorochi was weakened. That should be a much more straightforward conversation
I see three major and currently intractable disagreements, 1st is the time frame (that's down how to the panels are interpreted), 2nd is whether Psykorochi's other beams scale to the continent cutter(that's dependent on the first disagreement), 3rd is how much Psykorochi was weakened by Tatsumaki's first twist (that depends on which you think is more important: the size of the host body or the size of the root network since most people think size is important for Psykorochi's power).
If a consensus is reached by multiple CGMs about Ugarik's calc, then the 1st and 2nd disagreements become rather irrelevant- PE is either the best method and has been properly used or it isn't useable. If it is, time frame is irrelevant and we can't say the beams should be tiers weaker because they were held for X amount of time compared to the duration of the earthcutter. How much Psykorochi is weakened remains an open-ended debate, but if we overcome the 1st two disagreements the thread is all about how much Psykorochi was weakened. That should be a much more straightforward conversation
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I asked some staff for input there. But no one in the thread was willing to give a summary for everything and I couldn't cause I didn't understand what the **** was going on there.
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I just spent all my brainpower thinking about the disagreements, I'll try to make an impartial summary tomorrow to clarify this for the calc group members
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good idea
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Like I said, I bet it's not coming sooner than next Monday. It's probably going to be a longer chapter and that he'll spend more time on it, it's only been 2 weeks since the last release.
I hope I'm wrong though
I hope I'm wrong though
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Inb4 the next five updates are more redraws.
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He already confirmed that the next update will be a new chapter.
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Just wondering, should I wait out the whole Tats and Psykorochi fiasco until I do the Boros upgrade, as it'll likely just add wood to the fire. Or do ya'll think me placing that Boros Upgrade CRT is a good distraction from that fiasco?
This might be against the rules as we have like 2 other OPM CRTs but eh
This might be against the rules as we have like 2 other OPM CRTs but eh
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I would say to just wait tbh.
